I bought an M2 AVP (at half price of the M5 model); I am getting good use of it, especially in flightsim use. I wasn't interested in the AVP until CloudXR and X-plane support was announced. Official Steam Link has also now been launched. The momentum is growing...
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Apple Has Given Up on the Vision Pro After M5 Refresh Flop
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I do not have access to the full article but I am just wondering if these hirings might be mainly for the (rumored) smart glasses product. “The Vision Products Group is hiring … “
ErikGrim
macrumors 604
I don't know. I tried linking two iPhones up to my TV but I couldn't get a good Dolby ATMOS image.
All this money spent on a computing problem that never existed… and Siri still utterly useless after a decade. Between Siri being quantum leaped by Gemimi and ChatGPT in a couple of years, and the waste of billions on Apple Vision Pro and Apple Car it’s like the CEO didn’t know what problems needs solving. Apple succeeded despite Tim Cook - not because of him.
(if he has always been wrong, he was not right even just once) … But, you are right, there is still the possibility that all of this turns out to be wrong. One thing that caught my attention in the Asymco news excerpt @turbineseaplane shared is “Products” in “The Vision Products Group posted 14 new senior roles last week.” Could it not be that these positions pertain to the (persistently rumored) smart glasses product?
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Thing is i'm unsure if i'd want to bring it with me on the plane.
When i travel, usually it's with my family and i have enough things to juggle with kids and what not.
If im travelling for work then maybe, but i'll also have my work laptop with me; and again juggling an additional headset achieves what?
I'd actually be surprised if the AVP will be allowed on planes for long; airlines are beginning to ban powerbanks now; and what's an AVP tethered to? an external battery.
Ubuntu
macrumors 68020
It's a chicken and egg problem. We've been burned before with tvOS, watchOS and - to a lesser extent - iPadOS. Then also consider that Apple has destroyed a lot of good will with the developer community recently. Also keep in mind that if you do try something innovative there's a chance Apple might not allow it in the App Store from day one (or even just randomly).
With all that in mind, then imagine a niche product for $3500 and a small user base. Sure, you could argue there's a greater potential for your app to stand out but it's a huge risk to take as a business.
Oh and then consider that Apple had the arrogance to charge developers $300 for the privilege of wired debugging via the Developer Strap 🤣
Abazigal
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Even Apple’s biggest critics believe the Vision Pro isn’t going anywhere.
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
A bit of overindexing going on re MacRumors' 'Apple has given up on Vision Pro' post. The teams that were necessary to invent this thing (something like 1500 people worked on Vision Pro?) are no longer necessary. The OS is now under the purview of Apple's existing software teams. And if there's...
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Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
The Vision Pro is the 'Mac Pro' of the face-computer category, like it or not (and I don't mean that it should go away, not until there are lower-end models that outperform it). If it gets updated more often than once every 6 years, like Mac Pro, it would be lucky. There shouldn't be a new model...
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Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
Apple's Vision Pro developer story has been bad vibes all round, from the very start. A lot of people have felt burned, even burnt out, with trying to build for this platform. Apple arrived with arrogance and just assumed everybody would jump with them, despite burning bridges with developers...
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Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
Priority no 1 under new leadership at Apple should be to fix all of this stuff: reinstate Epic on all App Stores, /partner/ with them on bringing Unreal Engine (even Unreal Editor) to Vision Pro, stop fighting EU and antitrust legislation so viciously, and do dev outreach — bring third parties...
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Even Apple’s biggest critics believe the Vision Pro isn’t going anywhere.
Trusteft
macrumors 65816
Yeah, after the original release, I could never force myself to re watch Alien versus Predator. It was pretty bad.
It was everything you could expect.
An impressive technical demonstration, that sold surprisingly well. The mistake in my opinion was the overblown expectations that it would be a new must-have-item.
iSayuSay
macrumors 68040
LOL yeah I have my AV receiver for Dolby Atmos setup I almost forget HomePod can do it.
Yep. I keep my HomePod in my kitchen just because I can’t imagine any other use for it.
I am currently reading the 50 years of Apple book, and this is far from the first time this has happened. If you look back at Lisa, most of the original Mac lineup - the vanity specs drove the price far above anything people would actually buy in volume. Now, with the Mac Portable (and other Lisa advancements, for example) there were valuable enhancements that extended beyond the item itself. Example (also pretty much the same as with the Mac II and Lisa) - they nailed the UI, which Meta (like MS before them) ripped off in their latest release. Ditto with the hand recognition (but with far less high-end hardware). These enhancements and designs will benefit future devices.
From the hardware perspective, they utterly overdid it (again). For once, Meta got closer with the latest Quest. The sweet spot of weight/price/image quality. Now, I utterly agree that the Vision Pro has a beautiful display, but I wonder if a 15% reduction in resolution from the Vision Pro would be that noticeable as a trade-off for weight and price. Drop the glass outer and the external display, and you could be sub-$2000, and THAT would sell.
From the hardware perspective, they utterly overdid it (again). For once, Meta got closer with the latest Quest. The sweet spot of weight/price/image quality. Now, I utterly agree that the Vision Pro has a beautiful display, but I wonder if a 15% reduction in resolution from the Vision Pro would be that noticeable as a trade-off for weight and price. Drop the glass outer and the external display, and you could be sub-$2000, and THAT would sell.
fair enough, but that's absolutely not what Steve said in the December 2001 Time mag article
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"Come to me!" On a quiet Sunday morning in Silicon Valley, I am standing atop a machine code-named Ginger — a machine that may be...
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at the time when Steve introduced the sunflower G4 Imac and Kamen the Segway. In the article photograph Steve and Kamen were facing each other while standing on Segways, and Steve couldn't rave more about the device ('as big a deal as the PC'). I understand this might have been all PR, but I don't see Steve publicly backing up a device that he hated.
Moreover, I'm always taking with a grain of salt these behind-the-scenes books that tend to rewrite history after it has unfolded. And this brings us back to the Vision Pro - many people here said this was a fully predictable flop, but I don't recall that many people here ranting about the price and weight on day 1.
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turbineseaplane
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Hmm.
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
A bit of overindexing going on re MacRumors' 'Apple has given up on Vision Pro' post. The teams that were necessary to invent this thing (something like 1500 people worked on Vision Pro?) are no longer necessary. The OS is now under the purview of Apple's existing software teams. And if there's...
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
The Vision Pro is the 'Mac Pro' of the face-computer category, like it or not (and I don't mean that it should go away, not until there are lower-end models that outperform it). If it gets updated more often than once every 6 years, like Mac Pro, it would be lucky. There shouldn't be a new model...
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
Apple's Vision Pro developer story has been bad vibes all round, from the very start. A lot of people have felt burned, even burnt out, with trying to build for this platform. Apple arrived with arrogance and just assumed everybody would jump with them, despite burning bridges with developers...
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
Priority no 1 under new leadership at Apple should be to fix all of this stuff: reinstate Epic on all App Stores, /partner/ with them on bringing Unreal Engine (even Unreal Editor) to Vision Pro, stop fighting EU and antitrust legislation so viciously, and do dev outreach — bring third parties...
Even Apple’s biggest critics believe the Vision Pro isn’t going anywhere.
Steve is not even close to one of "Apples biggest critics"
He loves the AVP and waxes poetically about it, routinely.
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antonrg
macrumors 6502a
Not to talk bad about Apple, the device is interesting, but I personally find this to be good news. People are already isolated enough while being connected more than ever. The last thing society needs is to put something on their face and completely disconnect from the real world around them. I would buy this, but maximum for 300€ just to use it as a home cinema and not even that often, but that's about it. It's far too much of a niche product for Apple, so no surprise they abandoned it.
El_Kritiko
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You‘re holding it wrong 😉
As a freelance Vibe Coder, who is running 3 client projects in parallel, I love my Vision!
I have for every project a big virtual screen setup. I see there my Cursor agents running, Jira tickets and Teams/Slack for each client. Each project is running on a dedicated Mac Mini, the screens are on spaces at my main MacBook. I manage to work for those 3 clients all day. My old setup had 3 big 42“ screens standing around in my office, that took to much space. The Vision is my best invest in my work efficiency!
As a freelance Vibe Coder, who is running 3 client projects in parallel, I love my Vision!
I have for every project a big virtual screen setup. I see there my Cursor agents running, Jira tickets and Teams/Slack for each client. Each project is running on a dedicated Mac Mini, the screens are on spaces at my main MacBook. I manage to work for those 3 clients all day. My old setup had 3 big 42“ screens standing around in my office, that took to much space. The Vision is my best invest in my work efficiency!
Meh. I expect to buy a VisionPro later this year. It will be for work, not for play. The “be everything to everyone” approach seems odd but they did the same when things started out for the Apple Watch. I look forward to a long life for this device… if rumours are correct. Hopefully they are not and a completely redesigned unit comes out in a few years.
AR glasses for out and about? What may be your utopia is my dystopia. I already hate cellphones, not getting excited about even more portable tech.
AR glasses for out and about? What may be your utopia is my dystopia. I already hate cellphones, not getting excited about even more portable tech.
That’s phenomenal! You’re getting me to dream further…
I’m buying a Studio when the M5 generation comes out, expressly for development work for the VisionPro. You make me Think Different. Gracias
Steve121178
macrumors 604
About the only use-case was watching 3d movies and 3d porn which isn't enough for a $3500 device. Nobody actually worked in this thing.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Criticizing cook for a product you deem a failure and then failing to acknowledge the many successes is just some conformational bias.
Hajj.david
macrumors 6502a
I regularly do. It is an excellent productivity device, you can shut off visual noise with a simple rotation, have a giant high quality 5k display anywhere and everywhere, you can have apps floating around you to keep your main desktop work area nice and clean
Dirk Pieters
macrumors 6502a
The iPhone didn’t need a killer app. Billions of people already decided they wanted to carry a device to be connected to each other via a phone number. A proven market of billions was already there. All the iPhone did was bring touch to that market. And a better camera. And polish.
The fact that thousands of apps became available was only the cherry on the cake.
For Vision Pro there was no market. There were a few experimental VR devices but not a market of billions. Somehow Apple decided (?) they could create a market by selling a $3500 device. There’s a massive difference between those two devices.
Same thing with MP3 players. There was a market for them but it was fragmented. All the iPod did was bring some order to that market. It was an existing idea, just executed waaaay better.
Apple is at its best when they can stand on the shoulders of giants and bring some order into the chaos of a good idea. And do it with good profit margins.
Vision Pro had none of those things.