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Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation
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yeah but the new MacBook Pro is no longer a 6 Series Convertible, maybe an Infiniti Q60
Well priced like a BMW, designed like an Infiniti. Heh.
While I can see this being the case for some users, for me it is a landslide:
- Magsafe - Don't really care
- SD card slot - Never used it, ever
- 2 x USB 3 port - Non issue, has 2 USB C ports, smaller, reversible, better, more capable
- Thunderbolt port - Non issue, see above
- 12 hour battery - True, but with a fraction of the performance
- Apple logo lit - Don't really care
- AMAZING keyboard - I prefer the new one
- Chime sound - Really?
- Less weight - Not true, even.
Some other things that are a big deal for me. The SCREEN!!!! Not even a comparison. The speakers, the overall design, is just so much more polished. It is a more refined machine. The screen on the air is just an atrocity and such a deal breaker. I also don't really care for the wedge shaped design, or silver bezels. I had probably about 5 different MacBook Airs over the years, with this being the replacement for them, so I am very familiar with the issue, there is no comparing. I would not trade this computer plus cash to go back. not a chance.
Left out of your post:
- Benchmarks/speed/new architecture
- Screen
- New speakers, which are incredible
- Footprint
- Thickness
- USB C - A plus for me
- Overall refinement
The screen alone is enough to change, to be completely honest. Cannot Unsee.
Also just a note the keyboard is not like the one on the MB. I will agree that version of the keyboard is a bit marginal.
MB Keyboard: See x shaped dome switch and old mechanism.
MBP Keyboard: See full dome switch and different mechanism.
For me, the magsafe, a normal usb-port and the sd-card slot are essential, furthermore I often use a lan-port. I would have bought a "complete" new MBP instantly, but now I'm going to upgrade my 2012 MBP with an 1 TB SSD. Furthermore I hate these flat keyboards like this from the 2015 MB and I fear, that the new keyboard of the MBP is the same. They should change the name from MacBook Pro to MacBook Style. It has nothing to do with "Pro".
go back and read the thread carefully before lecturing us about socialist conspiracy theories
I said people who have to count every dollar, look meticulously at each feature and since the $999 Air can do everything the new $2,500 / $3,500 Macbook Pro can do, it is a better buy
he then replied "if you need to count every dollar, why would you consider buying a macbook? makes no sense."
so basically bergmann.flb thinks people who counts every dollar don't deserve to use macs
as Steve Jobs said "stay hungry, stay foolish"
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It's made worse by the fact that they took out the SPDIF capability too. Get a grip, Phil.
Different issue and not relevant to my point. MBP, esp Touch models, are hella expensive no matter what you think of them.
You've illustrated the point I was making perfectly. Your argument that since world population has grown there will be more consumers of Apple products and hence larger sales numbers does not necessarily ring true. If that was the full story, then other companies would do equally well from population growth. The demise of some computer companies like compaq, despite population growth, shows that this isn't the case. Apple are doing well not because they are dependent on world population size. They are doing well because people like their products.
There is absolutely room for another model here, or an augmentation to the current line up.
If its a MacBook Pro released in 2016, there should absolutely be options for 32 GB of ram, faster processor and graphics. Why was a concession made to make a PRO model thinner and lighter at the expense of these pro options?
Thinner an lighter is no longer a feature request by any of out 800 + clients (mac consultant here).
On the lower end side, many people need more storage. Not everyone wants to optimize their data to iCloud and let Apple decide what to keep and what to delete locally. Nor do many want to pay for a TB of storage. Family photo/video libraries are growing like crazy. It is absolutely crazy to only offer 2 TB of storage in the 15" MBP to the tune of $4000. We need a 13" model with a slower SATA or lower tier flash storage option that does not cost $1400 to upgrade from 256GB to 2 TB. Seriously, how many people need 3.1 GB/s transfers?
If its a MacBook Pro released in 2016, there should absolutely be options for 32 GB of ram, faster processor and graphics. Why was a concession made to make a PRO model thinner and lighter at the expense of these pro options?
Thinner an lighter is no longer a feature request by any of out 800 + clients (mac consultant here).
On the lower end side, many people need more storage. Not everyone wants to optimize their data to iCloud and let Apple decide what to keep and what to delete locally. Nor do many want to pay for a TB of storage. Family photo/video libraries are growing like crazy. It is absolutely crazy to only offer 2 TB of storage in the 15" MBP to the tune of $4000. We need a 13" model with a slower SATA or lower tier flash storage option that does not cost $1400 to upgrade from 256GB to 2 TB. Seriously, how many people need 3.1 GB/s transfers?
I don't see this happening too early. After KabyLake H series are released at the earliest. Around 2Q 2017.
Also Apple is pretty focused on OpenCL and AMD GPUs so I doubt we will ever see Macbooks using the latest Pascal from Nvidia which are way more powerful.
I'm afraid it's pretty simple. Switch to Windows for high performance, or stay with macOS for overpriced hardware, mediocre performance, and zero hardware options.
So glad you joined the forums TODAY, and all five of your posts are in this thread, and all five in one way or another are defending the MBP's high price.
$1000 is a lot $ for a low powered laptop like an Air. Just because it's the least expensive Apple laptop doesn't make it a good buy to someone who is making $600 a week.
Yeah, this was a rather inane comment. Given the long layoff between updates, the increase in online shopping, just plain old population growth, and essentially collapsing two products (13 MacBook Air and MacBook Pros) into one, it would have been truly terrifying had it not beat out previous generations in online sales.
Based on your requirements I would recommend a low cost desktop, not a pro laptop. You talk about not wanting to optimize and not needing quick data transfer. You prefer lower cost with slower SATA or lower tier flash drive. You are not interested in a pro laptop.
in your 'PRO' laptop you only have 1 x USB-C port, since the other is used for charging
the Air since it has magsafe, has 3 ports: 2 x USB 3 and 1 thunderbolt
I tried the macbook pro 'butterfly' 2 keyboard at the apple store and it is like typing on a wood board but I am glad you like it better then the traditional one
I think Jony is nuts. This keyboard is really the biggest downfall ever, much worst then the Hockeypuck mouse !
Sorry, but I don't believe in what Phil says in this so-called interview. And, it's odd that he (or someone else at Apple) felt that there was a need of this kind of "explanation", after all the mess started right after the keynote. Sure, it's a pro because there's the audio jack... and the sd card is cumbersome...
This might work for some, but other's might just want to have >500GB of storage in one place at a low cost. Basically, what you're saying is that people that want a laptop for portability, but also this low cost storage space, should just get a 2nd computer. But buying a whole new system just as a place to store stuff is often not in the cards, can be wasteful and more expensive. Does this mean a dedicated desk and monitor, for example? Do you now need 2 backup solutions?
Everyone figures out their own solution, but Apple has long ago decided that having cheap/slow storage in their computers is not one of them. For people that really just want 1-4 TBs, that's really too bad. Because it adds an extra external device which could be easily handled inside the computer (well maybe not up to 4 on the laptop side, but you get it).
It's no my fault if Apple doesn't sell laptops for less then $999
It's not the mac pro but with the Air you can use photoshop, Xcode, FCP X just fine
I was merely pondering on your use of the word "deserve" - which has no meaning in this context.
Macs are bought & sold. One does not "deserve" a computer.
"Deserving" introduces a note of morality, which is irrelevant in the consumer electronics market.
Unless you are a child who is deemed to deserve a gadget for christmas because of good behaviour.
BTW: what is a "socialist conspiracy theory"?
It sounds interesting - but I wonder what you mean?
A theory about socialism or a theory concocted by socialists?
Inspirational Kitsch
For a USB A to USB C? Sure, if you want to fry your machine with a cheap knock off.