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Based on your requirements I would recommend a low cost desktop, not a pro laptop. You talk about not wanting to optimize and not needing quick data transfer. You prefer lower cost with slower SATA or lower tier flash drive. You are not interested in a pro laptop.

You are kinda reiterating what i said "There is absolutely room for another model here"

I am personally not interested in either. My client base that loves Mac computers and is in need of upgrades are interested. But I have a hard time recommending a $4000 laptop for an option that should be included in a lower tier computer.
 
Which would have in turn resulted in shorter battery life for all users, whether they needed that 32 of ram or not.

I am with Apple on this one.
I'm quite sure Apple would've gotten even battery life despite going with full 32gb DDR4 if they didn't shrink the battery by over 20%! RAM consumes less power than screen, cpu, and SSD
 
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It's made worse by the fact that they took out the SPDIF capability too. Get a grip, Phil.

Had no idea. Thats a bit of a bummer.
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For a USB A to USB C? Sure, if you want to fry your machine with a cheap knock off.

A knock off USB cable? USB is an open standard. The USB-C cable thats included with a new LaCie drive is not made by Apple yet sold in apple stores. It wont fry your computer. You crazy.
 
They will always say this. Marketing 101.

I call bs. There is no way to exceed the total sales of the previous model that has been on the market for how many years in just a matter of days. The proof will be when apple releases its quarterly earnings. Phil is a shill.
 
I think if you suffocate your own market by not updating for pro customers and business, and focus on phones, and then wait with the macbook pro for those who want a more serious than macbook (with news that it's underpowered) ..

yesh, i can see how you can have more orders than usual.
 
"Well boys, now, moving forward, should we proceed with 'Plan A' on the new price increases that Tim wanted for the Imac and Mac Pro model updates in 2017?"

"Sure, why not? Hell, we even have people on forum sites actually defending the price increases and attacking others who are mad about it- its amazing...Apple customers really don't seem to care how much they have to pay...."

"Its not amazing, Jony, its MAGICAL"

<room erupts in laughter>
 
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I don't feel it's an entirely bad release, but it wasn't worth all the hyped wait people put up with. I buy my computers out of necessity, my iMac was becoming too old in 2015 so it needed an update so I bought a new system. Too many people play the waiting game, you never win at the waiting game.
 
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Exactly...a highly priced Infiniti with last year engine but you need a dongle every time u need to fill it with gas, cause it's not compatible with all the gas stations around :D

Such is life in the Apple ecosystem. You are never truly alone, but you are never truly a part of society either.
 
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http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...rops-optical-audio-out-through-headphone-jack

Phil's comment about 'pro audio users' are why they left the headphone jack in the machine is complete horse exhaust.

Yes, they took the optical out:

"AppleInsider contacted Apple about the matter, and was told that the feature was removed due to a lack of customers using the functionality. Additionally, we were told that "plenty of USB-C zero-latency professional peripherals are available now, or coming very soon" featuring optical audio out connectivity."

How the f**** do they even know what people are using! My primary use of the audio jack on the MBP is the optical output. Complete idiots. What is the cost/weight? $2 and 1 gram?

Sure Phil, it's much simpler and more economical that I just trash my $3000 Harman-Kardon amplifier and buy a shiny new one with USB-C. Complete idiots! This was the last drop for me.
 
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For a USB A to USB C? Sure, if you want to fry your machine with a cheap knock off.
Monoprice starts at $9 but that is not for most compact form. That I have seen for as little as $4.5.
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"AppleInsider contacted Apple about the matter, and was told that the feature was removed due to a lack of customers using the functionality. Additionally, we were told that "plenty of USB-C zero-latency professional peripherals are available now, or coming very soon" featuring optical audio out connectivity."
Anyone know of any? I haven't found one...

Monoprice starts at $9 but that is not for most compact form. That I have seen for as little as $4.5.
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That's not USB-C.

The MonoPrice one is, though.
 
Exactly...a highly priced Infiniti with last year engine but you need a dongle every time u need to fill it with gas, cause it's not compatible with all the gas stations around :D
Most people already travel with a dongle to charge their laptop. It's called a charger. Or are public MagSafe chargers are common thing.
 
Personally I think this new approach is the one Jobs would have cursed out. Replacing an entire interface long before it is even used just because someday it will be the standard is a poor approach to the problem. Even firewire was phased out slowly long after most firewire devices were old enough to be replaced. Just because USB-C is the future and is an awesome interface does not mean that all the USB-A devices out there are instantly useless and need to be be modernized. Especially at the rate in which Apple has been adopting new interfaces. I still don't own a single pure-Lightning device.

This new model should have been a stepping stone including both C and A and maybe on the next refresh drop the A.

If only apple had updated the macbook pro line earlier they could have seamlessly transitioned in the same period to a full on USBc laptop without too many people complaining. The issue mainly comes from not releasing a laptop in so long that price has made it poor value compared to older models and all i/o has been dumped in one go. People don't like change especially if you impose it without choice. Apple will regret this in profits later this year.
 
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The transition period is going to be ugly. External batteries, car cigarette power adapters, car radios, etc all aren't USB-C yet. It means carrying dongles or multiple cables. I get that. At least they put in four ports.

The big problem is that there are very few adapters that work reliably, and apple didn't release their own.
Apple offers eight different Apple-branded USB-C/TB3 adaptors: USB-C to USB-A, USB-C to Lightning, TB3 to TB2, USB-C to SD card, USB-C to Ethernet, USB-C to VGA, USB-C to HDIM/USB-A/USB-C, USB-C to VGA/USB-A/USB-C.

Apple also sell four different Belkin USB-C/TB3 adaptors: USB-A to USB-C, USB-C to USB-Micro (USB2),USB-C to USB-Micro (USB3.1), USB-C to USB-Mini.
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People don't like change especially if you impose it without choice. Apple will regret this in profits later this year.
Apple is giving some choice by still selling the 2015 models. But you are right, people don't like change, which means that if you were to follow 'people', very little would ever get changed. And when did Apple really give people much choice when it came to laptops, battery size or selection of ports.
 
You are right, I followed a link posted by somebody else because I like the very compact design. That same site also lists a USB-A to USB-C adaptor for $3.9.
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Beware - there's a lot of cheap C stuff out there that doesn't meet spec. Good ones that do, cost $$.
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Apple offers eight different Apple-branded USB-C/TB3 adaptors: USB-C to USB-A, USB-C to Lightning, TB3 to TB2, USB-C to SD card, USB-C to Ethernet, USB-C to VGA, USB-C to HDIM/USB-A/USB-C, USB-C to VGA/USB-A/USB-C.

Apple also sell four different Belkin USB-C/TB3 adaptors: USB-A to USB-C, USB-C to USB-Micro (USB2),USB-C to USB-Micro (USB3.1), USB-C to USB-Mini.

No USB-C to HDMI (without the extra ones), lNo C to DVI, no C to minidisplayport.
 
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People on here saying they won't buy the Mac but yet it's selling in records, someone is wrong here...
Back in the day record labels would buy their own records from music stores to beef up numbers, communist newspapers would publish 10,000's of copies only to have them destroyed, to beef up numbers. I don't believe much of what Apple says, they are as dishonest as anyone else.
 
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