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This is a great discussion. I'm sitting back, lmao (some of the comments are great), trying to think of reasons I need a Pad when in reality when i get done working the last thing I want to do sit and stare at another screen, a small one at that. I'm actually kind of freaked out how many seem to stare at devices all day and night.
I'll take a j, my dogs and a hike in mtns any time of day over staring at a small/any device. #ColoradoLife
 
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Weirdly, I find that apple’s case offerings, of all things, substantially interfere with its potential to be a laptop replacement that also brings more to the table than a laptop.

A case with a keyboard is necessary for the device to be a true laptop replacement. But, the Smart Keyboard folio -only- allows a laptop-Style positioning in which touchscreen vs. mouse control is incredibly awkward, for all the reasons that the Mac is not touchscreen. So I find the device with this case to be just a really neutered laptop. It’s also too heavy to hold up with your hands, and also awkward with the keys now exposed in the back.

In contrast, the regular folio allows the flatter positioning in which you can really interact with the iPad the way it was designed to be interacted with, which is quite neat and a whole new way of computing. But if you need to do some serious writing you are sol.

I wish that apple would just accept that Microsoft nailed the basic design idea with the surface pro and replicate it with their vastly superior hardware.
 
From the one I tested, you can. Imported them right into Lightroom CC from a CFast card reader via the new iPad I demoed. The only reason I don't have a new iPad myself is my current one is still on contract so I'll wait for iPad Pro late 2019

I said xqd not cfast. There isn't even an xqd to usb c reader yet, the closest I could find was using a usb 3 to lighting connector, and even then the iPad couldn't power the reader anyway.

So no xqd, completely useless as a laptop to me.
 
Can you set the dpi on the pencil such that a swipe across the screen will move just a few pixels? This is something that can be done with a mouse for precision work.

Can you quickly access and work with 60mb RAW files via iCloud? I have thousands of these files taken from my D850 stored via locally external storage.

I'm not saying the Pencil isn't nice, and iCloud isn't convenient. They both have their purpose. But they are in no way drop in alternatives for a mouse and (local) external storage.

Sounds like your issue isn't that you can't have a mouse, but that you can't pick which mouse you use.

You just changed the requirement, but sure you can. iCloud is basically local external storage with a really, really long cable. I'm not saying that a thunderbolt hard drive reads and writes at the same speed as cloud storage, but to the end user they operate functionally the same. Besides, you can set up your own local storage on your home network so that you only have access to files when you are physically near them.
 
They really do need to converge the OSes for them to completely replace the PC. According to them, it’s not going to happen. Stalemate.
 
This is a great discussion. I'm sitting back, lmao (some of the comments are great), trying to think of reasons I need a Pad when in reality when i get done working the last thing I want to do sit and stare at another screen, a small one at that. I'm actually kind of freaked out how many seem to stare at devices all day and night.
I'll take a j, my dogs and a hike in mtns any time of day over staring at a small/any device. #ColoradoLife

"I'll take a j, my dogs and a hike in mtns any time of day over staring at a small/any device." - We can finally agree on something, haha
 
It's called the Apple Pencil. Do you mean that you want an on screen cursor? I think the only reason people like mice is because they are used to them. I type fast and have a very productive mouse, and yet I have seen kids touch type papers on their ipad at nearly the same rate I work.

Yes, on screen cursor. I actually like the pencil and the iPad, but if you need to do alot of copying and pasting work with typing in between its inefficient to have to move your arm up to the screen and highlighting just isnt as fast. There is also switching tabs and apps with certain projects on top of what I just mentioned, using a mouse is far less taxing on the arm and time. Its far slower. I can imagine if the pencil made it big in 1984 and the mouse introduced in 2015 people wouldnt be complaining about the change as much but instead embracing the idea of a mouse. Thats not to say I dont like the pencil, its very useful depending on individual tasks and needs.
 
Umm... with your finger and/or the pencil. It’s a touch screen. Duh.

That's what some people don't seem to get.

The finger is good for consumption and many other things. But try working on AutoCad with a finger/pencil. Try scrolling thru Trados files. I understand that for creators and all those people with fun jobs, this might work. I am just stating why it is not working for me. I do have an iPad, but can't replace my Macbook.
 
Yes, on screen cursor. I actually like the pencil and the iPad, but if you need to do alot of copying and pasting work with typing in between its inefficient to have to move your arm up to the screen and highlighting just isnt as fast. There is also switching tabs and apps with certain projects on top of what I just mentioned, using a mouse is far less taxing on the arm and time. Its far slower. I can imagine if the pencil made it big in 1984 and the mouse introduced in 2015 people wouldnt be complaining about the change as much but instead embracing the idea of a mouse. Thats not to say I dont like the pencil, its very useful depending on individual tasks and needs.

I can agree with the UI of the pencil - but using a mouse for all these years is starting to get taxing. I am getting faster with the pencil and as I use it more I run into design limitation issues where the os simply isn't coded to let me use it as I expect I should be able. I think the pencil could be better than a mouse, if there was more support for it. Pencil 2 gestures seemed like a great idea, but as long as Apple restricts them to features coded on an app by app basis I'm not expecting much use.

Most of the things I want gestures for aren't for specific apps, and those that are are not "designed for pencil". If I could assign gestures to things like "access to clipboard history", "next song", swap active app in split screen with another app (without losing the other active app), or scroll up and down document than I would be so much more productive. I would also like to be able to assign my own shortcuts to apps, in the same way macro keys can be assigned to extra mouse buttons, to do things that the app developer never thought of. For example, I wish I had gestures that could quickly to take me to specific OneDrive folders; if I am in the OneDrive app, or even better, if I am not.
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all those people with fun jobs

Aww. What do you do that your job isn't fun?
 
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You guys forget that 99% of people don't use a computer for anything more than browsing the internet, sharing photos, and maybe printing a school paper.

Kids. Old people. Etc.
 
Sounds like your issue isn't that you can't have a mouse, but that you can't pick which mouse you use.

You just changed the requirement, but sure you can. iCloud is basically local external storage with a really, really long cable. I'm not saying that a thunderbolt hard drive reads and writes at the same speed as cloud storage, but to the end user they operate functionally the same. Besides, you can set up your own local storage on your home network so that you only have access to files when you are physically near them.

The Pencil is not a mouse, nor can it take the place of a mouse entirely. Try working with the iPad as a "laptop" with a keyboard attached (document editing, remote work, etc...). Reaching over to the screen is annoying enough, the Pencil does not make it any better, just more cumbersome. A mouse is great at being a mouse, the Pencil is great at what it does. The Pencil could never replace a real mouse. In the past Apple has argued against touch on their laptops because of reaching over to the screen. Yet now they push keyboards and you have to reach over to the screen due to the lack of a mouse. Odd, no ?

iCloud is not the same thing as being connected via a really long cable. I can carry around a 2TB ssd in my pocket and connect it to my laptop and use it at speed, without having to be connected to a network. iCloud has a purpose, generic external storage it is not.
 
I am probably considered old in my company, with plenty of experience and plenty of opportunity still left in front of me. I use an iPad Pro exclusively. This shift may sneak up on you with that old way of thinking.

That's because your freight industry can get by with just traditional POTS phone, pen and paper.

An iPad can only replace a computer if a computer wasn't needed in the first place.
 
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