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Apple Highlights Five Reasons the iPad Pro Can Be Your Next Computer
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No one says it doesn't matter. They're saying that the display itself acts as a trackpad. That is absolutely true. It's a different paradigm. And to the people these ads, and that marketing, is targeted to, will get it, and to them it isn't inconsistent or confusing. The problem here is people are trying to project their preconceive notions onto Apple's direction.
The real issue here is Apple isn't talking to us long time computer users who are set in our ways. Apple is talking to everyone else. And those people understand and appreciate it, and buy the products, because they solve their problems.
And do you really think someone is going to buy the keyboard folio without actually looking at it? One cursory glance shows it obviously doesn't include a trackpad. And the marketing very clearly says the display acts as the trackpad. The only reason you don't get it, is because you're projecting your old school notions into it. But normal people without those notions won't read it the way you are, and won't be confused.
You see the absence of a trackpad as a deficiency, because you're used to a trackpad (or mouse) and can't do without one. It's reasonable that you can't do without one because of your use case. It's unreasonable to describe the absence of a trackpad/mouse as a deficiency for all use cases, when there are plenty of people that don't have your background etc. and would find this new paradigm much more natural than the old school paradigm you're used to.
I stand by my point that the problem here is not Tim, or Apple, or these ads, or the marketing. The problem is all the people who these ads are not targeted to, coming here and complaining about how these ads don't fit their paradigms, when there are still plenty of people around for whom these new paradigms fit much better than the old ones.
No they mail it, like physical mail, since we use just pens and paper to operate our business. It magically appears in real time though, it's wild. Somehow someway, we've duped people into paying us a ton of money without any technological advancements at all.
I'm sorry you're clutching at straws.Shortcuts (formerly workflow) - could theoretically automate away cumbersome routines given enough time to experiment.
Then there’s the ergonomics. For example, I can detach the keyboard and lean back or even walk around with the iPad and Pencil. This change in posture gives one a terrific mental energy boost, especially when compared to hunching forward to stare at a screen all day.
Plus, an app filling up the entire screen can help with focus without being distracted by multiple overlapping windows.
A laptop form factor just feels like such a step backwards at times.
"Shortcuts (formerly workflow) - could theoretically automate away........" and theatrically they could just as easily not as people aren't interested in a new way of doing things they have previously done before.
"I can detach the keyboard and lean back or even walk around with the iPad...." You can't walk around with a laptop; and not a beefy IBM thinkpad laptop but an Apple designed Macbook or Macbook Air that's designed for exactly that?
"an app filling up the entire screen can help with focus......" Nothing in this world or another is stopping you make an application full-screen and then it's up to you to remain focused on it. Are you so distracted that anothor app makes itself known in the task-bar and all of a sudden you you are so dumb you have to drop everything and give the new thing your attention?
This iPad apology has to stop; stop trying to say it's better than a desktop/laptop. Sure it has it's place but don't try to put a square peg in a round hole.
Just asking, can I plug in my DSLR, copy all the pics to the desk top then arrange them into whatever folders I want then copy them onto an external hard drive? The sort of stuff that the cheapest and nastiest pc laptop could do many many years ago?
What were they smoking?? Those marketing geniuses have their heads in the clouds again? They definitely aren't reading comments on the laptop IPP replacement and a wannabe surface killer threads. wishful thinking? And you don't want disappointed disgruntled customers. Which will happen. Though most professionals know its pie in the sky PR hype.
Not without a headphone jack. Not without access to expandable storage/file system. Not with iOS in its current state.
Sure. Import files (USB-C or SD card reader) and then transfer to an iOS external drive. They make them for either lightning or USB C.
The more I try to use the iPad Pro as a laptop and compare it to even a MBA, the more I want to tear my hair out. The device is beautiful and can do some things that a laptop cannot, almost exclusively with a pencil. Otherwise, its just a nightmare. The absence of true multitasking is a killer. Doing things on a computer involves a lot of small delay all over the place. The inability to go and do something else during those delays (and all the random bugs that arise when you try) is completely maddening and deeply frustrating. It is *not* a laptop replacement, and so so far from being one -- it is an (exceptionally, beautifully, amazingly) glorified piece of paper.
I will also add that its not even as good at -consumption- as a laptop. The browser experience is vastly more frustrating and inferior. And the extremely limited set of angles for the screen in all of Apple's cases generates problems in many use cases.
You missed the point where he stated depends on the use case.
For myself, I do all of what you outlined, with the exception of copying all the pics to desktop (why would you do that?), or to an external drive. I find the iPad to be a great system with obvious limitations. It is brilliant for attaching my camera, batch image processing (light edits), Export, upload, and embedding into editorial I am working on.
Drive support would be AWESOME, and I have sent in quite a few feature requests direct to Apple for this. I am hoping request #65 will finally get someone’s attention over there
.Split screen and slide over are just two important examples that improve productivity on an iPad. Screen real estate is a big deal on a tablet. Pencil support is also very important to some people for productivity and their workflows.
Sorry, the proposition that an iPhone = iPP just because they share the same OS is just as ridiculous as saying an iMac = Macbook. Different tools for different purposes.
They can't even prevent s.hit like this from being installed in iPADs, let alone improve iOS:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ons-of-apps-to-be-installed-in-ipads.2155681/
They were the ones that removed the Apple Store from iTunes... a move that was so criticized they decided later to release an alternate version which had this feature. In case you don't remember the Apple Store was the iTunes feature that allowed a backup of the apps you bought/downloaded and are available at the time you did such copy - with the .IPA extension, which could be then added with help of the same iTunes to the iPAD even if Apple decided to remove from Apple Store.
The fact we can't do a backup of the files and add new ones in 12 year-old devices:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/cant-do-a-backup-or-add-files-to-old-ipod.2151347/
Speaks volumes how full of s.hit they are. Apple is the sort of company that takes a decade to fix this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/701w6e/i_thought_ios_11_was_supposed_to_hide_this_shit/
While modified versions already had a long, long time ago.
All they care about is increasing prices + cutting costs and feeding their megalomania.
That's why it makes total sense to argue all iPADs should cost US$ 400, 500. Anyone that pays more than that is a fool.
I am not paying close to US$ 1K again, for hardware crippled on purpose.
Another example is this.
Apple bans torrent apps and it's against a technology they even use for their own benefit... forcing me to turn on my PC or another device when I want to download.
Why? For the same logic Safari should be banned too, because it can be used to download illegal contents.
Thanks to decisions like these and many more the iPAD is selling less each year.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ons-of-apps-to-be-installed-in-ipads.2155681/
They were the ones that removed the Apple Store from iTunes... a move that was so criticized they decided later to release an alternate version which had this feature. In case you don't remember the Apple Store was the iTunes feature that allowed a backup of the apps you bought/downloaded and are available at the time you did such copy - with the .IPA extension, which could be then added with help of the same iTunes to the iPAD even if Apple decided to remove from Apple Store.
The fact we can't do a backup of the files and add new ones in 12 year-old devices:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/cant-do-a-backup-or-add-files-to-old-ipod.2151347/
Speaks volumes how full of s.hit they are. Apple is the sort of company that takes a decade to fix this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/701w6e/i_thought_ios_11_was_supposed_to_hide_this_shit/
While modified versions already had a long, long time ago.
All they care about is increasing prices + cutting costs and feeding their megalomania.
That's why it makes total sense to argue all iPADs should cost US$ 400, 500. Anyone that pays more than that is a fool.
I am not paying close to US$ 1K again, for hardware crippled on purpose.
Another example is this.
Apple bans torrent apps and it's against a technology they even use for their own benefit... forcing me to turn on my PC or another device when I want to download.
Why? For the same logic Safari should be banned too, because it can be used to download illegal contents.
Thanks to decisions like these and many more the iPAD is selling less each year.
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Splitscreen multitasking together with slide over, pip(these 3 at the same time) , drag and drop, horizontal and vertical home screen and faceid?
What you consider "professional", I consider operational work (which I wouldn't ever want to do). In the end, you or I don't decide what it considered "professional" and what isn't.
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I am happy I made you laugh! Myself, I "know" nothing of the actual future but do belive I how "people in real world work" and I wasn't really trying to defend Apple's attempt at labelling the iPad Pro as a computer. I do own an older iPad Pro but did not think I need a new one since I am not an artist or photographer needing to store pictures on a portable screen. I could not really use the iPad for my actual work. My older iPad is still great for media consumption and excellent e.g. while travelling, which I do a lot.
In my work as FinTech consultant with mainly central banks and big corporates as customers, yes - cloud storage is usually a big no-no and remote work has been pretty difficult as well. But over the years I have seen a change, even though slow. More and more are looking for "secure" cloud solutions but yes they will use their own local storage for many-many-many years more. But would they still use an iPad with current state of iOS even though you could connect an external drive?? (At one of the central banks they actually let me connect my MBp to their main network with direct access to production systems *sic* I was happy since I do like how well M$ Remote desktop works on macOS
but still reported this as security risk)My "funny" comment was regarding the "average Joe/Jolina". Not the smaller category of customers for consumer devices you are referring to. I have not seen Minority Report, but might download it to my iPad for my next flight.
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Meh. There's no technical reason why those soft features can't be added to iPhone other than upselling to iPad because they're common on Android phones.
I must join the chorus of disagreement. Kitted out with pencil and keyboard, the 11" model comes in at $1530 with tax. It's the price of a MacBook Air without the ability to connect to anything. Apple can't even sell a connector to let it sync with iTunes on a Mac made prior to this year. I learned that the hard way and returned mine for an iPad Air 2 and saved a cool $1k and re-used my old keyboard case. OTOH, with Apple removing ports and degrading connectivity of Macs, the answer is simple: Just replace everything you own". I got that song and dance from MS with Vista in 2006 and that pushed me back to Apple. Third party docks are the wave of the future and maybe they will come in cool designer colors.
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These conversations seem to fall on one of these extremes (only half-joking)
1: People who can do work on an iPad probably have the type of job a robot will be doing in the future.
2: People who don't use an iPad are computing neanderthals that need to get with the times.
Obviously, neither of these are completely true. The iPad is a tool that excels at some areas and is deficient in others. My MacBook is a great tool that excels in some areas and is deficient in others.
People who switch to an iPad have to adjust their workflows. This is normal, but somehow with the iPad is a bad thing. If I switch cameras, the controls are different, the menu choices are different, and the camera may not end up doing something I need to as part of my workflow. When I switched from Windows to Mac, I had to change my workflow because I was used to the Start menu and things like that.
1: People who can do work on an iPad probably have the type of job a robot will be doing in the future.
2: People who don't use an iPad are computing neanderthals that need to get with the times.
Obviously, neither of these are completely true. The iPad is a tool that excels at some areas and is deficient in others. My MacBook is a great tool that excels in some areas and is deficient in others.
People who switch to an iPad have to adjust their workflows. This is normal, but somehow with the iPad is a bad thing. If I switch cameras, the controls are different, the menu choices are different, and the camera may not end up doing something I need to as part of my workflow. When I switched from Windows to Mac, I had to change my workflow because I was used to the Start menu and things like that.
USB-C connects to a lot more than Lightning did, and Apple sells a Belkin USB-C to USB cable so you can connect to an older Mac.
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Work that requires repetitive manual input, potentially tedious. In my mind, those are the tasks better suited for traditional PC and a mouse/trackpad.
Well how about this? If their design choice isn’t up to your standards, then buy elsewhere???
Oh that’s right. No other company can even come close to making a tablet like the iPad.
My point was how about we appreciate the technology that Apple HAS put into this new iPad Pro. Face ID, same camera as the XR with smart HDR, A12X chip, new Apple Pencil. Etc.
It’s like no one is ever happy with Apple no matter what they do. The negativity is sickening. I guarantee that most people complaining about these so called “lack of features”, don’t even own the new iPad Pro.
