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Apple Highlights Five Reasons the iPad Pro Can Be Your Next Computer
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Sounds this black friday will pass without us spoiling too much at Tim’s anorexia shop
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Why would you need a keyboard attached? Touch typing on the iPad is nearly identical to touch typing on butterfly keys. That also solves the whole needing to reach towards anything. The pencil, which is basically just a high end wacom pad, has replaced mice for many people.
The only difference I see is that you don't want to be connected to the internet. Because once you have internet access remote storage is effectively the same as local external storage. It takes a few seconds for me to access a 100+ mb file on iCloud. It takes over a minute to pull out an external hard drive, plug it in, wait for the OS to recognize the drive. Meanwhile, that assumes I remembered to bring the drive with me.
Yes, local storage is faster *in some use cases* - but for most people - cloud storage works.
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It was sarcasm - sorry, forgot the /s - but, even a good low cost Brother ($100) with OEM ink ($50) and toner ($70) will run your about $220. Boom, there is your iPad. Cut the ink and toner in half if you go aftermarket - and you can get a used iPad instead. /s?
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Your logic is sound. Though, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple remains stingy of features for 13 due to the numbers unlucky association.
Think Different, man.
The New Generation of Capucchino Pro’s can afford that because they reside in coffee bars, without offices, cars or a house to rent. They need fast gear to respond a few milliseconds faster on the next online ad for a freelance job, before the guy next to them (with an ordinary iPad) does so. For the same reason, nobody should stare at their screens if they go to the toilet in the 2 minutes before their Uber arrives. Privacy & security have become so instrumental in their modern flimsey business existence. Where margins are so small you don’t see them if you can’t look through your thin iPad.
But they laugh at every sign of older style business, because they tell each other on FaceBook how great modern urban lifestyle is, and on even days that news returns to themselves...
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This is very thoughtful and makes me optimistic about the possibilities of the pencil. So much can be done for the software side.
What do you think if iPad also added a small dial type device (including some click functionality) like the Surface PC to work in conjunction with the pencil?
Unlike MacOS and pro level desktop apps, iOS doesn’t benefit from hardware advantages. Aside from the iPad’s screen size and stylus, what can an iPad do that an iPhone can’t?
Only 4GB of magic ram that some people are claiming is equivalent to 16GB on Mac/PC unless you pay $1550 to $1750 for 1TB storage tier which will get you 6GB of magic ram equivalent to 32GB on Mac/PC.
Wow...that is a great example of current hypocrisy!!
What do you think if Apple added some type of side pad that makes the pencil also function as a mouse when needed? I should get a patent on that before posting this but Im busy, lol.
And apparently most in these forums too. Maybe macrumors could use a professional section to get away from the burger flippers.
I’m working on a Shortcut on my iPad Pro and when I use the “show result” command, it outputs a tiny square pop up window floating in the middle of a giant display, so small that the URLs I’m working on get broken in 2 lines...now that’s some serious BS even I can admit and hopefully “lucky number 13”-iOS will be when all these little iPad limitations will be removed...let’s hope that from the current ipad hardware revolution we can infer the upcoming ipad software revolution for 2019...
Basically my problem is more eradicating iPhone legacy from iPad (and admittedly we had some progress in the last couple iOS releases, that’s a good sign) than making the iPad more like a Macbook.
partial wishlist: one click destkop user agent (is it me or “Request desktop site” is a joke that doesn’t work 80% times?), improved text selection, background automation (i.e. don’t throw me into the Shortcuts app when running a shortcut), stop accepting video apps with no PiP support (including Youtube, power struggle Google into allowing it), customizable keyboard shortcuts..and more..
Basically my problem is more eradicating iPhone legacy from iPad (and admittedly we had some progress in the last couple iOS releases, that’s a good sign) than making the iPad more like a Macbook.
partial wishlist: one click destkop user agent (is it me or “Request desktop site” is a joke that doesn’t work 80% times?), improved text selection, background automation (i.e. don’t throw me into the Shortcuts app when running a shortcut), stop accepting video apps with no PiP support (including Youtube, power struggle Google into allowing it), customizable keyboard shortcuts..and more..
Pencil is not a replacement for a mouse. They address totally different use cases. Mouse operates in a virtual space. You can cover the length of the screen by moving mouse by just, say, an inch (depending on calibration). With pencil you always have to move your hand all over the screen all the while holding the pencil above the screen. This will kill your hand in no time especially if the UI require you to use the menus frequently. And if you use on-screen keyboard you are left with something like 8...10" screen. That's a fraction of the original (IBM) PC screen from a few decades ago.
Yes, iPad (or any table to that matter) has its uses: on the couch, on the go (mostly while standing, if you can sit down laptop will be preferable for most apps), for media consumption and for art drawing. Anyone who uses iPad for work in the office setting is wasting his (or his employer) resources.
It would be awesome if they added option haptic feedback to screen typing. It just feels better when I type on a screen on a android tablet.
At this point I can't tell if you're trying to troll me or not. There is no way that an on-screen keyboard could ever compete with a physical one. On my Mac Pro I use a loud clicky logitech g910 and can do around 85wpm. Is that possible on an on-screen keyboard? I haven't tested myself on my 2012 rMBP or Surface (w/ latest keyboard) but I'm pretty sure I can still type a lot faster on those, then on-screen.
Regardless, I think neither of us going to convince the other. Each platform can serve different needs in different ways. If you're able to do all your daily work on a iPad, then that's great and it makes things really convenient. I, however have workflows which can integrate an iPad, but the iPad can't do most of it. Nor can I see the iPad being able to take over most of my workflow without some serious updates that Apple doesn't currently seem interested in.
I agree I sound a little worked up here, although I don't think I am really. I just get excited when I write. Thing is, people come here and unjustifiably insult Apple and Tim about the most ridiculous things.
Your argument is perfectly reasonable as to why the iPP is not a suitable computer replacement for someone like you. But that's not all your arguing. The remaining implication behind your argument is completely unreasonable.
My beef here is that Apple shows an ad where an iPP can be perfectly reasonable replacement for a low end laptop or netbook or whatever else (price aside) for a large cross section of "normal" everyday users (in Apple's target market - people for whom experience is a lot more important than price), but there is an overwhelming number of people coming on here and abusing Tim and Apple for suggesting that, and citing all the reasons why - when all those reasons are why the iPP is not a replacement for the higher end machines and IT needs of us nerds.
They are totally missing the point. And your comment ("Sure, renaming picture file IMG_2356.jpg to something else and putting it in a subfolder is a foreign concept that nobody ever uses.") is a great example of it, and my response explained why.
If it was just one or two misguided people here and there, I wouldn't bother, but more than half the posts on this thread have been what I'm describing above. It's just insane. I just can't understand how people can start throwing accusations around and insults at Apple and Tim when the fault is their own: they've so missed the point.
I don't love Apple. They've royally screwed a lot of stuff up. It's very frustrating. Although I stick with them because they screw up a lot less than their competition. I'm not making my points to defend Apple. I'm making my points to defend common sense.
***** lol. These forums and its users are a joke. Now i remember why I don’t read this garbage.
Ps ur a clown.
I think Microsoft doesn't know what they have with the Surface Dial. If they opened it up and baked functionality into the OS instead of relying on developers it could be a tool more useful than the Elgato Stream Deck.
Make a list of what you use a laptop/desktop for. Then see if you can do this as effectively (if at all) on the iPad.
I have tried this. (IPP 12.9 G2 LTE w/ ASK and APencil) It isn't really a hardware limitation. It is a software limitation that is driven by iOS limitations.
Sadly.
I have tried this. (IPP 12.9 G2 LTE w/ ASK and APencil) It isn't really a hardware limitation. It is a software limitation that is driven by iOS limitations.
Sadly.
Haha right. Our data scientists mail us all of the logistical data we need in real time. It's extremely efficient, that's how we became a $15B company. I have always needed a computer for my position, but now that computer is an iPad.
"It's more powerful than most computers."
Sure, Apple. Because jumping between Cinema4D/After Effects/Photoshop and Unity on a daily basis is something I can do on a tablet. iPad Pro could have million times faster processors then anything out there and it still wouldn't mean a thing. Most of Professional sotware is neither supported nor suited for touchscreen interfaces, as simple as that. For precision work there is no susbtitute for a quality mouse, efficiency wise there is no substitute for a keyboard. Digital pens are great for specific work like painting (I use Wacom), but have their drawbacks in other areas.
Sure, Apple. Because jumping between Cinema4D/After Effects/Photoshop and Unity on a daily basis is something I can do on a tablet. iPad Pro could have million times faster processors then anything out there and it still wouldn't mean a thing. Most of Professional sotware is neither supported nor suited for touchscreen interfaces, as simple as that. For precision work there is no susbtitute for a quality mouse, efficiency wise there is no substitute for a keyboard. Digital pens are great for specific work like painting (I use Wacom), but have their drawbacks in other areas.
A software limitation that could be changed. From my experience I disagree about its use for work - the limitations of the iPad are nearly all OS related not hardware related.
Nope. Would love to use this as my primary device (connecting with monitors when @ home/office) however:
1) Most of my day is in XCode. Game over. And even if it did, text selection in iOS w/o a TrackPad/Mouse would be I’d be throwing the iPPro into the wall or out the window by the end of the day (Edit: I’m about to do it writing this post, I wanted to use numbered bullets and copy/paste... after 5 minutes gave up... only a zealot fanboy would say the iPad Pro is a even mediocre writing machine)
2) Use Adobe CC tools (XD, Photoshop, Illustrator), Sketch... the iPPro versions won’t cut it for the heavy duty use cases and asset grabbing
3) Spreadsheets... you want to do anything beyond a few cells and you need a trackpad/mouse.
4) Workflow... here’s an example. I needed to create an invoice (use an online accounting platform) and had a spreadsheet emailed to me with the work details for a remote team. Normally this takes me about 10min to do. Between all the bouncing around... difficulties in how I can copy/paste (and Safari on the iPad isn’t 100% a “full” browser) it took me 20min. Yes I can do it, but I have to adapt my workflow and teams to optimize for the iPad.
5) In the end I’m better off having my extreme portable machine for cafe/holiday/travel purposes be a MacBook. The iPad Pro is really for Netflix, some light work, etc... and frankly could do all of those with an entry iPad.
Of course AAPL and their shareholders on these boards would love to push the idea that you can use this as a replacement... they’d love folks to buy an nicely loaded iPad Pro, use if for 15/31 days (depending on the return policy in your region) to see if they can, realize they can’t (and can’t return it)... having to buy a MB/MBAir and relegate the iPPro to the nightstand. Double dipping your user’s wallet... I mean how else you gonna get from a $1T to $2T valuation?
1) Most of my day is in XCode. Game over. And even if it did, text selection in iOS w/o a TrackPad/Mouse would be I’d be throwing the iPPro into the wall or out the window by the end of the day (Edit: I’m about to do it writing this post, I wanted to use numbered bullets and copy/paste... after 5 minutes gave up... only a zealot fanboy would say the iPad Pro is a even mediocre writing machine)
2) Use Adobe CC tools (XD, Photoshop, Illustrator), Sketch... the iPPro versions won’t cut it for the heavy duty use cases and asset grabbing
3) Spreadsheets... you want to do anything beyond a few cells and you need a trackpad/mouse.
4) Workflow... here’s an example. I needed to create an invoice (use an online accounting platform) and had a spreadsheet emailed to me with the work details for a remote team. Normally this takes me about 10min to do. Between all the bouncing around... difficulties in how I can copy/paste (and Safari on the iPad isn’t 100% a “full” browser) it took me 20min. Yes I can do it, but I have to adapt my workflow and teams to optimize for the iPad.
5) In the end I’m better off having my extreme portable machine for cafe/holiday/travel purposes be a MacBook. The iPad Pro is really for Netflix, some light work, etc... and frankly could do all of those with an entry iPad.
Of course AAPL and their shareholders on these boards would love to push the idea that you can use this as a replacement... they’d love folks to buy an nicely loaded iPad Pro, use if for 15/31 days (depending on the return policy in your region) to see if they can, realize they can’t (and can’t return it)... having to buy a MB/MBAir and relegate the iPPro to the nightstand. Double dipping your user’s wallet... I mean how else you gonna get from a $1T to $2T valuation?
It's not real time if they're emailing it to you. They need to be using a client app that uses something like multicast.
My whole point was not to bash the new iPad on what it lacks, but how about we appreciate all the technology that Apple put into this.
Face ID (in both landscape modes)
Camera with smart HDR
New Apple Pencil
A12X chip is a monster
And I bet most of the people spewing their BS. Don’t even own one!
The butterfly keyboard on the MBP has nearly no throw. It feels to me very much like typing on an ipad. I can match your speed on the iPad - and compared to the MBP I have much higher accuracy on the iPad. I agree that I prefer the feel of a mechanical keyboard, but there are no mechanical laptop keyboards that run macOS.
You are right about the workflow. And for me, I have to lug around a MBP because I typically need to run five or more things on screen at once. It's a software issue for me - not a hardware one. I prefer to use the iPad, when I can, but at this point I can't leave my Mac at home.
A rich person doesn't tell you they are rich, only a poor person masquerading as a rich person does. But whatever, wealth isn't relevant in relation to whether the IPP can be your next computer.