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Apple Highlights 'iPad-Ready' Web Content
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GeekLawyer
macrumors 68020
The link at the bottom may be the smartest move of all... instructions to webmasters on how to optimize their own pages for iPad.
http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/technotes/tn2010/tn2262.html
http://developer.apple.com/safari/library/technotes/tn2010/tn2262.html
I call "********"!
Even this Apple page admits it's a partial internet experience. Read closely:
Reuters site: "most of the site's video content"
Vimeo: "displays most videos on iPad"
White House: "largely standards-based site..."
Virgin America: "almost entirely standards based..."
If the iPad can't even access 100% of this small handful of sites, how are people really going to experience the "fun" side of the internet?? ie: games sites (including games on Facebook), kids sites, movies and music sites. etc., etc... Oh wait, I know.... Steve put a slot on the side of the iPad where your drop your coins in.
Bottom line: without Flash support, the iPad iCan't access a large portion of the internet today.
PS. Sorry for the rant, but I guess I'm immune to the RDF...
Even this Apple page admits it's a partial internet experience. Read closely:
Reuters site: "most of the site's video content"
Vimeo: "displays most videos on iPad"
White House: "largely standards-based site..."
Virgin America: "almost entirely standards based..."
If the iPad can't even access 100% of this small handful of sites, how are people really going to experience the "fun" side of the internet?? ie: games sites (including games on Facebook), kids sites, movies and music sites. etc., etc... Oh wait, I know.... Steve put a slot on the side of the iPad where your drop your coins in.
Bottom line: without Flash support, the iPad iCan't access a large portion of the internet today.
PS. Sorry for the rant, but I guess I'm immune to the RDF...
Rot'nApple
macrumors 65816
I know you have to crawl before you walk, but "Growing List"?! Seriously?!! 😕
Twelve highlighted sites using HTKL5 Video and are iPad ready out of how many sites on the WWW? 😱
And unfortunately, none of them are sites I frequent within the last few years. 🙁
Of course if you looked at my Safari history page you'd see MacRumors, AppleInsider, MacNN, MacDailyNews, BoyGenius, 9to5, TUAW, etc... and the links recycle. Are those sites iPad approved? 😀
Twelve highlighted sites using HTKL5 Video and are iPad ready out of how many sites on the WWW? 😱
And unfortunately, none of them are sites I frequent within the last few years. 🙁
Of course if you looked at my Safari history page you'd see MacRumors, AppleInsider, MacNN, MacDailyNews, BoyGenius, 9to5, TUAW, etc... and the links recycle. Are those sites iPad approved? 😀
3goldens
macrumors 68000
I am wondering when Jobs will cave on flash.
He's holding his customer's hostage by not allowing his equipment to interact with what seems to be fairly standard programing now.
I for one think this is the biggest customer service insult going right now.
Sure folks step right up, buy your Ipad, surf the web, and see how many sites will not be compatible with your new toy!
He's holding his customer's hostage by not allowing his equipment to interact with what seems to be fairly standard programing now.
I for one think this is the biggest customer service insult going right now.
Sure folks step right up, buy your Ipad, surf the web, and see how many sites will not be compatible with your new toy!
Exactly, I don't even own a Windows PC but when I have to use QuickTime on one it runs like garbage, as does iTunes.
NebulaClash
macrumors 68000
Since I block Flash, I couldn't care less about this issue. Clearly many of you do care, so this thread will once again descend into a cacophony of "Flash rulz!" and "Flash sux!" non-comments.
If you are a Flash developer, you don't like this trend. I don't blame you for lashing out at Apple. But you'd better learn HTML 5 because that is the inexorable trend that will not be stopped.
If you are a Flash developer, you don't like this trend. I don't blame you for lashing out at Apple. But you'd better learn HTML 5 because that is the inexorable trend that will not be stopped.
NebulaClash
macrumors 68000
NebulaClash
macrumors 68000
Never. HTML 5 is the future, and Jobs sticks to where the hockey puck is going.
Might as well ask when the iMac is going to get a floppy drive again -- oh wait, you no longer care about floppies, do you?
Similarly, soon no one will care about Flash. It might take years, but Flash is a dead-end proprietary technology, and the Net routes around such things once good alternatives appear.
3goldens
macrumors 68000
Its really not a matter of what "rules" or what doesn't rule, its simply the principle of the matter.
That's like a high school remark for morons.
Releasing a piece of hardware that will not be able to navigate and view most of the web sites being developed today is simply unconscionable.
That's like a high school remark for morons.
Releasing a piece of hardware that will not be able to navigate and view most of the web sites being developed today is simply unconscionable.
baryon
macrumors 601
I think many websites should replace their Flash content with HTML5 if HTML5 is indeed efficient. However, you can't make animations such as short movies, cartoons, and games with HTML5. You can only do that in Flash.
While I'm glad that HTML5 will probably be used where it's possible, I would like the iPad and my iPod Touch to support Flash, simply because there will ALWAYS be rare websites using Flash content for any of the following reasons:
- Not every website is rich/popular enough to be able to convert from Flash to something else
- Not everyone cares about the iPad or iPhone
- Some people base their websites on hand-drawn animations and stuff like that, which isn't possible on HTML5 in any way
I hate how Apple only seems to care about "most people" and "most websites" and "the large majority". Some people don't go to CNN's website EVER, and some people go to websites made by their friends for FUN, not caring about web standards and compatibility. Just as you show your badly exposed photos to your friends on Facebook, some people show their badly-designed webpages to their friends. But of course, who cares about doing something for fun? It's all about serious stuff right?
What if Apple put Flash on their portable devices, but still managed to convert MOST sites to HTML5. MOST content would be fast, wouldn't bog down the battery, and would run just fine, since it would be HTML5. However, if, rarely, you would happen to stumble on a webpage designed solely in Flash for whatever insane reason, you would still be able to use that webpage. But since those websites would be RARE, your battery life wouldn't suffer much at all.
The web is about "doing whatever you like". There are no rules, and people who think there are rules don't understand what the web is. If you want, you can create a website about cats wearing spiderman costumes. The amazing thing with the internet is that you can do everything. To keep it that way, every browser has to support 100% of the possibilities. There are web standards for big websites such as Facebook and YouTube, but there are websites created by people who don't know much about web design since they're only doing it for FUN, they don't know about web standards.
Apple does this with most things: "Most people don't need a matte screen" "Most people don't use an ExpressCard slot" "Most people don't use FireWire 400", etc... These things are completely true, an Apple is right. However, I feel that there should be a solution for everyone, not just for "most people". There will always be a small minority of people who want to do things in a special way for whatever reason. Why not let them?
I love Flash since it allowed me to create complex games and animations that I would not have been able to do in HTML5 since I'm not a programmer, I have other things to do than learn stuff like this. I don't care about the performance, I just want to show it off to 5-10 people who are only going to see them once. If I have my iPod with me, I can't show them, and I always feel like "oh right... I'll show you when I'll have the REAL internet with me".
I know that Flash is inefficient, but it allows amateurs and NORMAL PEOPLE to create rich content, not just programmers who spent their life learning this stuff. Just like Point-And-Shoot cameras: they take crappy pictures, but they allow normal people to take useable photos, for FUN.
While I'm glad that HTML5 will probably be used where it's possible, I would like the iPad and my iPod Touch to support Flash, simply because there will ALWAYS be rare websites using Flash content for any of the following reasons:
- Not every website is rich/popular enough to be able to convert from Flash to something else
- Not everyone cares about the iPad or iPhone
- Some people base their websites on hand-drawn animations and stuff like that, which isn't possible on HTML5 in any way
I hate how Apple only seems to care about "most people" and "most websites" and "the large majority". Some people don't go to CNN's website EVER, and some people go to websites made by their friends for FUN, not caring about web standards and compatibility. Just as you show your badly exposed photos to your friends on Facebook, some people show their badly-designed webpages to their friends. But of course, who cares about doing something for fun? It's all about serious stuff right?
What if Apple put Flash on their portable devices, but still managed to convert MOST sites to HTML5. MOST content would be fast, wouldn't bog down the battery, and would run just fine, since it would be HTML5. However, if, rarely, you would happen to stumble on a webpage designed solely in Flash for whatever insane reason, you would still be able to use that webpage. But since those websites would be RARE, your battery life wouldn't suffer much at all.
The web is about "doing whatever you like". There are no rules, and people who think there are rules don't understand what the web is. If you want, you can create a website about cats wearing spiderman costumes. The amazing thing with the internet is that you can do everything. To keep it that way, every browser has to support 100% of the possibilities. There are web standards for big websites such as Facebook and YouTube, but there are websites created by people who don't know much about web design since they're only doing it for FUN, they don't know about web standards.
Apple does this with most things: "Most people don't need a matte screen" "Most people don't use an ExpressCard slot" "Most people don't use FireWire 400", etc... These things are completely true, an Apple is right. However, I feel that there should be a solution for everyone, not just for "most people". There will always be a small minority of people who want to do things in a special way for whatever reason. Why not let them?
I love Flash since it allowed me to create complex games and animations that I would not have been able to do in HTML5 since I'm not a programmer, I have other things to do than learn stuff like this. I don't care about the performance, I just want to show it off to 5-10 people who are only going to see them once. If I have my iPod with me, I can't show them, and I always feel like "oh right... I'll show you when I'll have the REAL internet with me".
I know that Flash is inefficient, but it allows amateurs and NORMAL PEOPLE to create rich content, not just programmers who spent their life learning this stuff. Just like Point-And-Shoot cameras: they take crappy pictures, but they allow normal people to take useable photos, for FUN.
Of course, you do realize, being the intelligent, sensitive, thoughtful people you are, that HTML5 is NOT Apple, HTML5 is NOT Quicktime. It is an open standard that, say, Msft could code for in their infinite quality approach. You could download Chrome Frame and even IE would play the HTML5 now without any contribution from Apple. This is the point - open.
Err... if more and more sites keep adding iPad support (ie: the amount GROWS) we call that a GROWING list.
Shocking.
I am willing to sit in the trenches with Jobs against Flash. So I am fine with it since the people that are going to fold in this poker table are the content providers and Flash will get the boot.
4-5 years from now Flash will just be a bad memory while HTML5 and other standards replace it.
4-5 years from now Flash will just be a bad memory while HTML5 and other standards replace it.
NebulaClash
macrumors 68000
It's like arguing with dinosaurs after the meteor struck and the temperature began to fall. They won't believe you because their livelihood depends on not believing you. But the inevitable will happen anyway. In the meantime, the dinosaurs will try to bite your head off in impotent anger.
Awesome! We finally have an actual news article thread to precipitate more Flash arguments. Gets annoying having the arguments in unrelated threads.