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Apple Highlights 'iPad-Ready' Web Content

bwintx said:
As much as I'd like to see everybody adopt HTML5 for video over Flash, I have no choice but to continue deploying FLVs for video on my employer's Web sites as long as :( the overwhelming majority of my employer's customers and prospects use Windows Internet Explorer
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if Flash
<object ...src="bla.flv"...>
else
<video src="bla.flv">
 
bwintx said:
As much as I'd like to see everybody adopt HTML5 for video over Flash, I have no choice but to continue deploying FLVs for video on my employer's Web sites as long as :( the overwhelming majority of my employer's customers and prospects use Windows Internet Explorer -- and mostly older versions of it, to boot. At the rate they're having IE 6 and IE 7 pried out of their "cold, dead hands," that could easily be quite a few years.
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Absolutely, you have a job need for Flash and that won't end any time soon. Hey, there are mainframe programmers too even though the mainframe era ended decades ago. Flash won't disappear, it'll just become less needed.
 
*LTD* said:
So because Apple doesn't want us to view half the internet (no Flash), content providers are going to be falling all over themselves to give in to Apple and be on their special list??

Apple lock-in is beginning to affect the entire industry, never mind the user.

Gimme a break.
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Um, are you actually reading the headlines recently?
 
Is it wrong that I don't see the lack of flash support as a bad thing, or the support for HTML5 by big news sites as a good thing? :D

As long as they give me a way to turn it off, I'll be happy. I really dislike going to a web page and finding that the site owner has decided to inflict video on me without my asking for it. Especially if that video has sound.
 
Doju said:
Err... if more and more sites keep adding iPad support (ie: the amount GROWS) we call that a GROWING list.

Shocking.
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Yeah, but I'd wait until I had a "LIST" to speak of versus listing only twelve sites and notice how Apple include an image of the website nav bar of each of those sites because Apple needed 'filler' to fill up it's web page of "growing list" sites.

Had they not added the filler, how impressive would this have looked?

iPad ready.
iPad features Safari, a mobile web browser that supports the latest web standards — including HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript. Here are just a few of the sites that take advantage of these web standards to deliver content that looks and functions beautifully on iPad.​

CNN
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED


hmmm... look at all the empty web page now?

Apple says "Here are just a few of the sites..." You know if Apple could have made an impressive list, they would have, but for now they can't.

I'm just saying, I would've waited until my "LIST" looked halfway decent... like this... and if I knew how to add columns to this post I would have carried that list over another two or three times, THEN, I would have put up the page. :rolleyes:

Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
Reuters
New York Times
Vimeo
Time
Major League Baseball
The White House
Virgin America
Sport Illustrated
Flickr
People Magazine
TED
 
andyone said:
if Flash
<object ...src="bla.flv"...>
else
<video src="bla.flv">
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I wish it were that simple but there's more to it than that, from what I've read and based on the few (relatively simple) tests I've run. The HTML5 <video> tag is a great idea, but issues remain with its real-world, cross-browser implementation. For now, I can code for [arggh] Flash and hit 100% of the market for which my employer is aiming; it's hard to justify doing anything else in the foreseeable future.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I would just like to say that on my Windows computer, Quicktime is slow and bloated, and I avoid websites (like Apple.com) that don't use flash.

It's a 2-way street Apple, how about you stop being so arrogant.
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You avoid sites that don't use flash? Why?

Personally, I avoid flash. Clicktoflash is brilliant. I don't need flash games, because we have apps for that. The only thing I like is video, and we have plenty of HTML5 video with more on the way.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I would just like to say that on my Windows computer, Quicktime is slow and bloated, and I avoid websites (like Apple.com) that don't use flash.

It's a 2-way street Apple, how about you stop being so arrogant.
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Does no one understand what the word "arrogant" means?
 
tallyho said:
Hmm I just viewed that on my iPhone 3G and got around 2 frames per second animation...after 30 seconds the goat and the little guy had just about managed to walk to the middle of the screen. Wouldn't even a Flash plugin do better than that?
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LOL, I had to try it too and yeah, it's pretty awful on my iPhone 3G as well.

Regardless, I don't use Flash and it has minimal impact in my life; still picking up my iPad Saturday.
 
'iPad-ready' - well done, marketing man!

'iPad-ready'?! Whichever marketing executive came up with that deserves a medal. HD-ready meant a higher resolution than before. Various computers are compatible with certain software as they feature newer technology.


Websites being 'iPad-ready'? They just do whatever else does, ONLY THEY DON'T SUPPORT FLASH. That is really magic and revolution!

"- Here's a hydrogen car, enjoy!
- But where the hell do I get hydrogen?
- Petrol is so dead, hydrogen is the future!"
 
The simple fact that these sites are now making iPad specific enabled sites says something. They wouldn't be doing this if they thought it wouldn't be worth it to them. They expect a lot of traffic on their sites via the iPad and they probably will get it. They adapted to the iPhone why wouldn't they to the iPad.

If you don't adapt in this technology world you will fall behind. Apple is inovating and moving on from older software. Flash has been around a long time and they feel there are more efficent ways of viewing web content.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I would just like to say that on my Windows computer, Quicktime is slow and bloated, and I avoid websites (like Apple.com) that don't use flash.

It's a 2-way street Apple, how about you stop being so arrogant.
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You realize that on your Windows computer, it won't be QuickTime doing the decoding?

whitingrj said:
No, I am not fond of Quicktime at all. Runs terribly on both my Windows and my Mac side. Very slow, and refreshes are frequent. Flash may have its problems, but at least its consistently functional.
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If QuickTime runs "terribly" on your Mac, you've done something wrong. Everything from my friend's 2.0GHz Core Duo MacBook to my 2.8GHz Core2 Duo iMac to my 2.67GHz i5 "Hackintosh" can run 1080p QuickTime HD videos liquid smooth. On Windows, the performance is less than stellar, but nothing that hindered the playback "unwatchable" or unusable. Where my PC's and Macs always choked was full screen video in Flash. 10.1 Betas have improved that somewhat, but not enough yet.
 
kernkraft said:
'iPad-ready'?! Whichever marketing executive came up with that deserves a medal. HD-ready meant a higher resolution than before. Various computers are compatible with certain software as they feature newer technology.


Websites being 'iPad-ready'? They just do whatever else does, ONLY THEY DON'T SUPPORT FLASH. That is really magic and revolution!
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Not true. They use html5.
 
tallyho said:
Hmm I just viewed that on my iPhone 3G and got around 2 frames per second animation...after 30 seconds the goat and the little guy had just about managed to walk to the middle of the screen. Wouldn't even a Flash plugin do better than that?
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I was responding to the claim that HTML5 could not do animations.... I didn't test the link that I used to see if the animation was efficiently written. Having said, that I'm trying a few of the other links (for example, the second) on my iPhone 3GS and it's working fine and fast.

Update: I took your word for it that the first link runs slowly, but on my 3GS it runs pretty quickly — I would hazard a guess that the older 3G would probably run a flash VM pretty slowly as well
 
Innovation by scalpel and dynamite?

NebulaClash said:
I never once missed Flash on my iPod touch. I similarly don't expect to see any problems with the iPad.
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Because most sites are optimized for mobile devices. And wireless bandwidth is wicked slow for most people so text based surfing is fine.

HOWEVER, The iPad is expected to surf normal sized web sites and it will be primarily used in fast wi-fi environments. Big difference in usage.

To get to my header: Just as removing Firewire from MacBooks was stupid because there was no replacement in place, so is removing Flash long before (or IF) something else has replaced Flash as a solution for RIA.

iPad is a novelty surfing device. It's not meant to be internet-friendly. It's strengths will always be in avenues which keep stockholders happy: in apps ($), iTunes ($$), and iBooks ($$$).

So for Apple to claim it will provide a full web surfing experience is disingenuous at best.
 
ckelley said:
If QuickTime runs "terribly" on your Mac, you've done something wrong.
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They might not be having those problems. This is a typical propaganda technique when you are forced to defend the indefensible. Microsoft is expert at doing this, for instance, and now maybe this is Adobe's line of attack: When you are being criticized for something that is true, turn it around and criticize your attackers for doing the exact same thing.

So for instance with Microsoft, they have for years been known for anti-competitive behavior. Instead of changing, they merely accuse everyone else of doing it too. That's why you see "Apple is all about lock-in" nonsense, since that is part of the Microsoft plan to get heat off themselves and turn it on everyone else instead. Politicians are famous for doing this too.

Flash causing problems on a lot of machines? Don't fix it, pretend that QuickTime is worse!
 
qbert said:
iPad is a novelty surfing device. It's not meant to be internet-friendly.
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This is laughably wrong on the face of it. I intend to use it as my primary internet device as of Saturday, and I'll think of your FUD as I effortlessly do so.
 
anjinhamarota said:
Those are all big sites. Plus many more will come.
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Yup. And don't forget nbc.com already works on the iPhone if you try it...

They did this with zero fanfare.

Fox.com will find religion sooner or later (don't forget Murdoch's quote: "ALL media will be on the iPad") and then we'll have all 4 major networks, plus youtube. That's 9x% of what I want to watch online...

And don't think for a second that Colbert and Stewart won't make their shows available, even if only for-pay.
 
cmaier said:
Not true. They use html5.
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Not true. They use HTML5 AND not Flash (mostly). You may use HTML for some of your content and Flash for others (for games, for example, that HTML5 is useless with) and you may not iPad-ready. On that list, to be iPad-ready, you at least 'largely' have to use HTML5 for some functions that are usually Flash based.

Ironically, there are sites on that list that your iPad will still not be able to fully handle. Hence the words 'mostly, largely'...

Some sites can feature HTML5 AND not called 'iPad-ready'. I suppose, the deciding factor would be, whether you use HTML5 for ads and video. It's a pathetic criteria.

Is Macrumors free of Flash?
 
kernkraft said:
Not true. They use HTML5 AND not Flash (mostly). You may use HTML for some of your content and Flash for others (for games, for example, that HTML5 is useless with) and you may not iPad-ready. On that list, to be iPad-ready, you at least 'largely' have to use HTML5 for some functions that are usually Flash based.

Ironically, there are sites on that list that your iPad will still not be able to fully handle. Hence the words 'mostly, largely'...

Some sites can feature HTML5 AND not called 'iPad-ready'. I suppose, the deciding factor would be, whether you use HTML5 for ads and video. It's a pathetic criteria.

Is Macrumors free of Flash?
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I have no idea what it is you just tried to say. But your previous post implied that to be on the list all you had to do was leave something out: flash. That's not the case.
 
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