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Well this is what I think and even if its not right apple should do it. They should let games run on apple tv and the iphone can be the controller :eek::eek: How about that. Take that Wii:D:apple::apple::apple:

Actually - I think Apple would do very well to market the AppleTV as a "companion" to the iPhone. I haven't played with the remote app yet (my father bought an iPhone a few hours ago, I'll see it on the weekend) but I assume it's basic.... an advanced sharing of phone applications with the TV could be very interesting.

If you look at some of the recent patent filings, you can clearly see that Apple will release a line of Cameras.

You think? I guess if Apple was to play at a combo video/still camera with in built GPS it might make a mark. But it's not going to affect their margins as they describe.
 
Oh, man, read my last sentence again. Neither the Touch, nor the iPhone is a PDA. Not even close.
Yeah, I guess you're right. I didn't realize they were missing so many features missing. They are fairly close though, they have a number of the software capabilities needed.
 
Here's my guess to add to the pile:

All new notebook designs (yes, all of them).
All new cinema displays (with hdmi up to 50 inches) with the slot for all the new notebooks (per last years patent).
new bluetooth keyboard with touchpad (mice don't work on the couch, kinda working/shaped like a laptop keyboard but the screen is the tv).

// EDIT - I forgot, all OS and preferences are in RAM (snow leopard shrinking the OS). Hard-drive is for data only.

Future changes:

apple tv morphs into mac mini (hdmi out, couch surfing) and also fits into cinema display.
 
Yeah, I guess you're right. I didn't realize they were missing so many features missing. They are fairly close though, they have a number of the software capabilities needed.

But an UI/OS and (proprietary) software is far from the only thing that makes a pda (at least not in my book). It's more about size and useability (which are two parameters that limit eachother, I know).
 
I would have done the same four or five years ago, but if Apple's recent history and dwindling QC is anything to go by, the "new Newton" would not have a swappable battery, no CF-card slot, no SDHC/SDIO slot, it wouldn't be able to be used as USB Mass Storage, it would only be able to connect with itunes, the headphone plug wouldn't work with much more than the Apple headphones that came with it, it wouldn't be able to sync with Outlook/entourage and you wouldn't be able to connect it to anything but a computer with iTunes, and it would b so tied into iTunes that you'd have to have MobileMe in order to get decent storage, meaning 99 dollars extra per year.

I'm serious, if they came out with a PDA it would be so crippled that only fanboys would think of it as "pda".

All you're doing is describing an iPhone/iPodTouch. They're fairly useful devices, even if they don't have a variety of slots to play with.

I suspect these kinds of products will increasingly sync with MobileMe, and it'd be good to have an iDisk on the phone, but a worry if we're forced to buy it.

ps. you may not be aware that Outlook/Entourage do sync, and they fixed the stupid problem of headphones not fitting, with the 3G iPhone.
 
Here's my guess to add to the pile:

All new notebook designs (yes, all of them).
All new cinema displays (with hdmi up to 50 inches) with the slot for all the new notebooks (per last years patent).
new bluetooth keyboard with touchpad (mice don't work on the couch, kinda working/shaped like a laptop keyboard but the screen is the tv).

// EDIT - I forgot, all OS and preferences are in RAM (snow leopard shrinking the OS). Hard-drive is for data only.

Future changes:

apple tv morphs into mac mini (hdmi out, couch surfing) and also fits into cinema display.

Uhhhhhhh.... what?
 
Here's my guess to add to the pile:

All new notebook designs (yes, all of them).
All new cinema displays (with hdmi up to 50 inches) with the slot for all the new notebooks (per last years patent).
new bluetooth keyboard with touchpad (mice don't work on the couch, kinda working/shaped like a laptop keyboard but the screen is the tv).

// EDIT - I forgot, all OS and preferences are in RAM (snow leopard shrinking the OS). Hard-drive is for data only.

Future changes:

apple tv morphs into mac mini (hdmi out, couch surfing) and also fits into cinema display.

I really like the sound of that. =)
I Love the concept of a monitor with built in docking slot. Simple and elegant.

After some time testing the solution they could merge the iMac and Macbooks into one bundle = 24" Cinema display (with docking slot) together with a Macbook. The "iMac-Cinema" should also have discrete graphics inside the monitor to use when docked. Ah sweet dreams.. :rolleyes:;)
 
Part 2:

Maybe an Imac transition.

In a way, buy an Cinema display, get a free notebook.

Transition the Imac to a cinema display and the notebook dock in the back(and the notebook). It would eat margins like the conference call said because they would keep the Imac pricing.
 
All you're doing is describing an iPhone/iPodTouch.
Actually, I'm not "just" doing that. You see, they also decided to introduce the Airbook. The airbook, a portable computer, doesn't have a swappable battery, it has one - a single - usb port under a hinge, and has a crap headphone plug as well. So although I took the Touch/iPhone as a place to start, the tendency is clear.

They're fairly useful devices, even if they don't have a variety of slots to play with.
Hmm, again, I wasn't only talking about lack of slots "to play with". I don't think of PDAs as toys.

I suspect these kinds of products will increasingly sync with MobileMe, and it'd be good to have an iDisk on the phone, but a worry if we're forced to buy it.

Without a place to upload, how would you go about bringing with you a file that iTunes doesn't support? Mail it to yourself? But you wouldn't be able to bring it with you, but would have to get it from your mail, completely going around the iPhone/Touch, as you cannot connect it to a computer without iTunes, completely negating any purpose for the iPhone in the first place (as used as a pda).

ps. you may not be aware that Outlook/Entourage do sync, and they fixed the stupid problem of headphones not fitting, with the 3G iPhone.
Yes, I know they fixed it. The problem is, though, that they even introduced it in the first place.
We could also begin talking about USB hosting, as many PDAs have nowadays, ability to connect – be it via BT or USB - a keyboard or other input-thingies.

In any case, the biggest point I was making is that whatever Apple comes out with these days, they seem to be focused on tie-ins and they are all unreasonably crippled.
I know that - in theory - you can do all sorts of thing with the Touch/iPhone, it's just that in the real world you can't, and to top it off, you have to allow yourself to become tied in.

P.S. If you want to take a look at what a real pda can do, go take a look here (I have the Somo):

http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/handheld.html

http://www.socketmobile.com/products/handheld-computer/somo-650/
 
I heard it was going to be a iPhone Pro
160GB HDD
4G Cellphone technology with hologram technology
Builtin teleport to close to anyone with another iPhone Pro
:D

... so you can have a conversation with that person in decent sound quality? :)
 
What's new ...

I'm seeing new MBs and MBPs, of course.
I'm thinking the "transition" they're talking about refers to iPods though, as I suspect we'll be getting a bunch of new touch ipods - not just the Touch" but maybe even touch nanos.
 
So although I took the Touch/iPhone as a place to start, the tendency is clear.
Yes, Apple simplifies so many things - at the expense of useful features at times.

I wasn't only talking about lack of slots "to play with". I don't think of PDAs as toys.

No, obviously I presume too much..... the only reason I would want those ports is to have them in case I needed them (hence "play with").

It's far too easy to want things "just in case", of course... so lets make it personal - would you use the slots you listed, with technology you now own - or do you want it just in case?

Without a place to upload, how would you go about bringing with you a file that iTunes doesn't support? Mail it to yourself? But you wouldn't be able to bring it with you, but would have to get it from your mail, completely going around the iPhone/Touch, as you cannot connect it to a computer without iTunes, completely negating any purpose for the iPhone in the first place (as used as a pda).

Circular logic. We're not talking about an iPhone, we're talking about a mythical Tablet that you're then guessing will run in certain ways.

In any case, the biggest point I was making is that whatever Apple comes out with these days, they seem to be focused on tie-ins and they are all unreasonably crippled.

Naturally it is disappointing when the Apple products do some things SO WELL, and then doesn't do some really basic and crucial things.

Otherwise it'd be easy - you wouldn't be discussing Apple products and would happily be on a different discussion board.

I know that - in theory - you can do all sorts of thing with the Touch/iPhone, it's just that in the real world you can't, and to top it off, you have to allow yourself to become tied in

...hehe.... I can do all sorts of things but I can't, and in order to not be able to do these things I have to be tied in?

Either genuinely anguished and unable to work out what you really want, or flame bait?
 
Lots of updates

I have a little trouble thinking what the new products maybe outside of a PAD or tablet.

However we have plenty of known devices that need an update like the MINI, the monitors, and laptops. The Mac Pro is fine for a little longer.

I think the mid-range system between the mini and the Mac Pro is a product that a lot of people want so long as it is upgradable, full 64 bit and with slots for video cards.

The other major market jump they can have is the upgrade of the mini and a 100 to 200 dollar reduction in price.

As to the new DVD Sony standard .... I rather it be an external burner so it can be moved from system to system and you only need one. A reader in all of the new devices would be nice but an external writer is probably what most need.
 
iPods:
-shuffle 1GB will go, 2GB sole model (as 4GB would eat into nano sales).
-iTunes 8 will be smaller-just like apps in Snow Leopard
-Nano 16GB model
-New color shades
-Touch-will continue to focus on 2.0 firmware this season.
-Price drops across the range- starts $49 will get you a shuffle
-As flash memory drops in price, classic disappears.

Macs
-Mac mini upgraded to use Centrino 2's chipset, X4000 series graphics,draft-N
-Combo drives may be disappearing-all Macs will now have Superdrives
-No mid-range tower

Displays:
-Be more energy efficient
-LED backlit panels in 2009 maybe
-No iSights-privacy concerns for corporate usuage
 
Yes, Apple simplifies so many things - at the expense of useful features at times.
Yes, and recently, it has become more and more useful features that are nixed. Besides, I don't think of, say, nixing Disk Mode (USB Mass Storage) as a "simplification". It makes it much harder to bring, say, a document or a portable app with you.


No, obviously I presume too much..... the only reason I would want those ports is to have them in case I needed them (hence "play with").


It's far too easy to want things "just in case", of course... so lets make it personal - would you use the slots you listed, with technology you now own - or do you want it just in case?
Yes, as a matter of fact I do. The USB hosting is used for a keyboard (at times), the CF-slot is used for general storage but also to import audio from recorder (I have Luci Edit on my pda), the SDHC slot is used for the SD card from my camera and as general storage and portable apps. Both ports are used for for music/entertainment depending where it comes from. Oh, and either (mostly the SD-slot) is used to dump documents I created on it. This way I can not only connect the somo directly (in essense use it as a card reader, but I can also just use the card directly in a reader.
So, yes, I do use them. I do miss a Firewire connection for my recorder, though, but as it can record both to the internal HDD, the CF-card and a FW-connected cardreader (with a card in it) or a FW-connected HDD or optical drive, it's not a real problem.

Btw, I also use th SDHC-slot on my Cowon D2, It's quite neat, it can also be used as a "card reader" because of UMS.


Circular logic. We're not talking about an iPhone, we're talking about a mythical Tablet that you're then guessing will run in certain ways.
It's not circular at all. As I stated "If the iPhone/touch is anything to go by". And it should be something to go by, since it's the very form factor we're talking about, and since the fanboys think of them as "pdas", those are the most likely "take off point".



Naturally it is disappointing when the Apple products do some things SO WELL, and then doesn't do some really basic and crucial things.
Recently, the "so well" has become a joke. In leopard you can't even SMS via the phone (over BT) from your address book anymore. "Simplification"? Hardly.

Otherwise it'd be easy - you wouldn't be discussing Apple products and would happily be on a different discussion board.
I never said I didn't like a good discussion.
The thing is, my next computer will be a dual boot thinkpad (think hackintosh), simply because I think Apple's products have become sub par in so many ways. And you'll never catch me with an iPod (anymore).




...hehe.... I can do all sorts of things but I can't, and in order to not be able to do these things I have to be tied in?
What are you saying? You're claiming you can do all of that on your iPhone/Touch? That you can mail yourself a file, then connect your Touch/iPhone to a computer, and dump it on that computer? No, you have to mail it to yourself, and then to this X-computer go to webmail, having to circumvent the touch/phone completely. Therefore you cannot us it as thumb drive as a pda can.

My point was, that because it's mostly software, then in theory most is possible, but in reality, you can't do much with either of those products.

Either genuinely anguished and unable to work out what you really want, or flame bait?
Neither. Never met anyone with an opinion?
 
iPods:
-shuffle 1GB will go, 2GB sole model (as 4GB would eat into nano sales).
-iTunes 8 will be smaller-just like apps in Snow Leopard
-Nano 16GB model
-New color shades
-Touch-will continue to focus on 2.0 this season

Yeah, that's a major transition. It's not like they do that every September, anyway.

At any rate, you forgot the classic. That'll either go to 100/160 or 120/240 (if those are done... are they done yet?)

...no new MBP today... sigh. :/

Apple updates the store at 6:00 Cupertino time. It's not six yet.
 
I heard it was going to be a iPhone Pro
160GB HDD
4G Cellphone technology with hologram technology
Builtin teleport to close to anyone with another iPhone Pro
:D

And people would still complain about the lack of MMS or copy/paste... :D

Anyway, one thing's for sure, whatever breakthrough product Apple makes, people will be unhappy. There's always something wrong. "The CPU isn't a 3.0 QuadCore", "it does not ship with 4gb of RAM stock", "the GPU cannot "even" handle Crysis on medium-high".. I don't even understand why this gets hyped up, people are going to hate it when it is released. See "MacBook Air", "iPod", even the "iPhone" gets more crap than a lot of inferior products :p

I for one have been waiting a long time for a Mid Tower Headless Mac! That's the breakthrough! Oh wait! :eek::D
 
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