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Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space
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I don't have any videos on my phone, because of my 16 gb of spaceBetter would be a separate memory chip reserved only for the system. Or Apple should kill the 16gb version for ever.
Did someone force you to buy a 16 Gb model?
Don't blame Apple for your wrong choice.
I choose the 64 Gb model because I need more space than the free space available on the 16 Gb model.
My wife doesn't need more than 16 Gb.
More strawman.
He didn't claim he made the wrong choice or that it was Apple's fault for which version he bought.
I don't have any videos on my phone, because of my 16 gb of space
He seemed to imply that.
Are you feeling the need to defend him?
I have noticed the hardcore defenders think only their opinion is relevant. Some have even said as much.
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Bingo! Wished I could rate this up 100 times.
Paul Orshan lead plaintiff
I ran across an interesting hint on this topic fron another site. Do an Internet search on Paul Orshan who is one of the two Florida plaintiffs. Turns out the gut is a bankruptcy attorney who filed for bankruptcy on himself! He owed the IRS and his office worker money and tried to weasel out of it. What a guy!
I ran across an interesting hint on this topic fron another site. Do an Internet search on Paul Orshan who is one of the two Florida plaintiffs. Turns out the gut is a bankruptcy attorney who filed for bankruptcy on himself! He owed the IRS and his office worker money and tried to weasel out of it. What a guy!
It's annoying that Apple is the ultimate poster child for planned obsolescence and if only getting worse and worse but this lawsuit is pretty dumb.
Hopefully the one targeting the MBP2011 failures will succeed, though. People shelled out huge money for those only to be hit with logic board/GPU failures in two years time.
Hopefully the one targeting the MBP2011 failures will succeed, though. People shelled out huge money for those only to be hit with logic board/GPU failures in two years time.
They may have a point. Since Apple charge an arm and a leg for storage it seems unfair to then turn around and use a big chunk of it for their iOS.
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when MS charges you an arm and a leg for storage, you have a case!
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when MS charges you an arm and a leg for storage, you have a case!
A 2011 MBP owner here, and do you know what? Still working flawlessly after 3 years and two months of DAILY USE.
What a lucky Apple customer I am
Planned obsolescence doesn't exist out of forums like this.
...Then turn off Automatic Updates.
So you only endorse extorting companies for your lack of understanding of the product you bought if it benefits your wallet and not the lawyers?
And by humble, you mean want to use the force of government to "twist the arm" of companies that are doing something you feel isn't in your best interest. But other than that... humble...
...So... Fascism? I mean, sure, you own your company. ...So long as you are suiting the pubic good, that is. Your rights are your right, and your property is your property. ...So long as everyone else benefits from you. Are you actually seriously saying that? That's pretty hardcore crap... *Facepalm*
The bottom line is this. 16GB of storage = 16GB of storage. If you don't realize that an OS takes up space on that storage... Well... Your ignorance is not Apple fault, or problem.
The formatted storage with an OS on it has always been less than the total capacity of the chip, which is 16GB. What do you want? Advertising for the amount of space you can actually use for your stuff other than the OS? What happens when the OS is updated and now theres less space? Does your 11GB model become a 10GB model? Do we have to ship out little 10GB stickers to all iPhone users, so they can update the back of their phone so people know that theres actually less space on there now?
And let's be clear. Apple does not owe you a base 32GB model. I know plenty of people who don't even use the capacity of a 16GB. Why should they increase their costs for nothing? If you don't like it, buy the next biggest model, which is now GENEROUSLY twice the capacity, for an extra $100, and stop complaining. Or just don't buy an iPhone. ...and still stop complaining.
What's absurd is how petty these complaints are. It's like every time someone has a problem, ohhh let's go running to the government and seek retribution, whine whine whine cry cry cry... So old. So childish. Grow up and make your own decisions. you don't like the amount of space on your phone buy more or get a different one. Seriously. Let's all try to be adults.
I'd rather have someone take Apple on for the way that the iCloud storage plan works. It sucks that you have to go from 20G to 200G and have to pay so much. I'd rather see a 100G plan for $1.99/month than pay $3.99 for the 200G and never use even half of it.
But whatever...
As for the update size, I'll be connecting my iPhone to my computer for the next update. I had to sift through stuff to clean enough space, and even after going for the 'low hanging fruit' I needed to delete more. I ended up re-syncing it with the iMac and doing the update that way, which took something over 3 hours because of the achingly slow speed of the download...
But whatever...
As for the update size, I'll be connecting my iPhone to my computer for the next update. I had to sift through stuff to clean enough space, and even after going for the 'low hanging fruit' I needed to delete more. I ended up re-syncing it with the iMac and doing the update that way, which took something over 3 hours because of the achingly slow speed of the download...
First off: 'There's'. Now I can relax...
Second: Yes, there is effectively no way to determine how much space you will have when an update, or OS is installed. I remember someone going (not here) on a rant that they felt cheated because the hard drives never hold as much as they say they do on the box. I was floored. There is a lot of 'air' in files, and depending on the block size used, that space can be disappeared quickly with off sized files with a huge block size.
It's not like monitors where they measured the physical dimensions of the actual picture tube, and then put it in a two inch wide frame...
I have told people that ask for my advice on what size iDevice to get, to get either the middle capacity, or the highest for the point that you can't upgrade it in the future and if you fill it up, you are done. Period.
Some snark that I should be a salesperson for Apple, but if they buy the smallest, and fill it with 'stuff', they will burn a lot more time trying to figure out what to delete than they will using the damn thing. The days of the 16G iAnything being usable in the medium term are pretty much gone. Get a few iBooks, some killer apps, a corral of pictures, a video or two, and you are huffing fumes...
And hypocrisy usually follows this kind of argument. I knew someone that would rail about the 'nanny state' and how 'communist' it was (they weren't that smart, goes without saying) and yet would pop off with the 'someone ought to sue' when they found something that they didn't like... They actually suggested suing the bread companies so that they would make the same amount of hot dog buns as the packages of hot dogs have in them. Really... I stopped listening to their histrionics after that. It was too silly.
Well see the issue is "How negligible is the used space?"...
Hard disks advertise 1 TB but the file system you use on it takes up space and you never get to use the FULL 1 TB. We dont seem to mind as storage is cheap and the percentage of used space by the file system is negligible.
The issue here is Apple advertises a 16 GB phone.. and its OS takes up considerable space. With no option to expand storage using a micro SD card or anything the user is often left shuffling stuff around by deleting it...
This is the prickly issue here.
First off: 'There's'. Now I can relax...
Second: Yes, there is effectively no way to determine how much space you will have when an update, or OS is installed. I remember someone going (not here) on a rant that they felt cheated because the hard drives never hold as much as they say they do on the box. I was floored. There is a lot of 'air' in files, and depending on the block size used, that space can be disappeared quickly with off sized files with a huge block size.
It's not like monitors where they measured the physical dimensions of the actual picture tube, and then put it in a two inch wide frame...
I have told people that ask for my advice on what size iDevice to get, to get either the middle capacity, or the highest for the point that you can't upgrade it in the future and if you fill it up, you are done. Period.
Some snark that I should be a salesperson for Apple, but if they buy the smallest, and fill it with 'stuff', they will burn a lot more time trying to figure out what to delete than they will using the damn thing. The days of the 16G iAnything being usable in the medium term are pretty much gone. Get a few iBooks, some killer apps, a corral of pictures, a video or two, and you are huffing fumes...
Exactly. Thats what I did as well, I don't want to have to manage my data and figure out what to delete, so i got the mid tier one at the time. Some people don't use their iPhone anywhere near their capacity, and the 16 is for them, but if you're going to actually use it, get the 32 or 64 or 128. It's such an easy solution. These lawsuits are so childish. Smdh.
An Anti-communist that endorses a Fascist level of state control into an individual's business... Interesting contradiction lol.
LOL No one forces anyone to purchase a 16GB iPhone, but I bet your wife, or anyone who "only needs" 16GB can also live with 32GB? Why being so stingy then?
I could see you always justify for anything Apple does or did. 16GB is super cramped for a $649 phone, no argument to that, given that iPhone has no external storage. Now hold your breath, micro SD might be super slow but is still good for offloading musics and videos. At least that way, I can use the whole internal storage for OS and apps only.
Now I see nothing wrong with giving 32GB as a base model for customers, unless saving a few cents over 16GB NAND just to maximize profit benefits you. Who are you really? Apple's board director? Or a mere iPhone customer who actually refuse a product improvement?
I do remember vividly the initial 4GB and 8GB models of the iPhone and thought NO WAY. I waited for the 16GB model and for its time, it was the only plausible option.
Ridiculous
Super ridiculous...
"Using these sharp business tactics, defendant gives less storage capacity than advertised, only to offer to sell that capacity in a desperate moment, e.g., when a consumer is trying to record or take photos at a child or grandchilds recital, basketball game or wedding," alleges the plaintiffs in the case."
You can't add storage to the base capacity of the iPhones. This case isn't going to go anywhere. No one is going to go out and buy a brand new iPhone 6 64GB or 128GB just because their grandchild's recital is about to start and they used up all their space on the 16GB model. I mean, what if, there was an amazing separate contraption that could also take photos and video... Wouldn't that be great?
Super ridiculous...
"Using these sharp business tactics, defendant gives less storage capacity than advertised, only to offer to sell that capacity in a desperate moment, e.g., when a consumer is trying to record or take photos at a child or grandchilds recital, basketball game or wedding," alleges the plaintiffs in the case."
You can't add storage to the base capacity of the iPhones. This case isn't going to go anywhere. No one is going to go out and buy a brand new iPhone 6 64GB or 128GB just because their grandchild's recital is about to start and they used up all their space on the 16GB model. I mean, what if, there was an amazing separate contraption that could also take photos and video... Wouldn't that be great?
Huh? You feel disgust when you open your digital camera? Do you feel disgust that you can remove USB drives, SD cards, TB drives, and whatnot from your Macbook Pro/Air?
And many micro SD cards are not opened via the back. The HTC One's is on the side, Sony's is as well.
Ask the same question to Samsung, HTC, Sony and any other OEM selling 16 Gb versions of their flagships.
Apple sells three models: 16, 64 and 128 Gb.
I knew that 16 Gb would be barely enough so I choose the 64 Gb model. Easy like that.
Your logic could be applied in the same way: why not to have a 64 Gb entry level ? Why not only a 128 Gb model ?
Marketing choices.
But I know, being Apple's choices a lot of people here enjoy the holy war against it. And "incidentally" they mostly are the same users blaming Apple on almost every thread, for any reason
Product improvements? I'm getting several with any iPhone I buy, year after year. I couldn't be happier about my brand loyalty.
I'm not hiding myself behind a false objectivity, when a little search on my profile could show the true nature of my presence here....... I'm an Apple enthusiast customer since 1989.
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Last time I checked, my DSLR and my MacBook weren't smartphones, so you are literally comparing apples to oranges.
And, on a side note, I actually love the HTC One and Sony Z2/3 construction quality/design. I just don't feel the need for an SD card on my iPhone.
Hey! I know someone that did that. He ended up catching all kinds of white hot hell when his wife actually proved to be a better 'user' of her new iPhone. He ended up, to save his marriage because it got that heated, swapping phones and suffering with the crippled mess he stuck his wife with. She's still sensitive to being told that she wasn't the 'Techno God' in the family, and didn't deserve a 'man's' iPhone, and still offers to let him touch it when he's getting out of line. Schadenfreude is kinda neat...
Saving cash in the short term sometimes isn't the land of gold that you might think.
Here, everyone has the 128. It makes life easier. (Until the reboots start up)
Well, for me, I'm surprised that the card slots are so reliable. How many people find 'gunk*' in their slots that renders it unusable?
Heck, my 5 lived in an OtterBox for its entire life, and I was still amazed at the 'gunk*' that built-up in the front speaker slot, and the bottom speaker holes.
People that carry their slot equipped devices must have so much crap in the slots over time that I'd imagine they get too stuffed with it. I've seen micro-USB ports that look communicable. It's hard to tell what's living in the thin crevices, but it doesn't look benign...
* - Gunk, see 'life happens': dust, dirt, sweat, moisture, sand, hair, etc...
Well what's so special about a smartphone that it needs to be sealed off in the manner that you suggest? I mean if a MacBook can have expandable storage, what's so offensive about the idea of a smartphone having a storage slot?