Nonsense. Point 1 is wrong. Point 2 is therefore also wrong. Point 3 therefore makes no sense.
Roll on Friday. Steve will save us.
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Nonsense. Point 1 is wrong. Point 2 is therefore also wrong. Point 3 therefore makes no sense.
Roll on Friday. Steve will save us.
Hopefully this is it...
Apple admitting that if not all, then a certain amount of iPhone 4s have an issue thats not software related. I love my iPhone, issue doesnt affect me but i didnt pay £500 for a phone that has such a problem.
Apple, I hope will have a fix. I don't care what it is, aslong as it FIXES it, and not mask it. If Apple provide a real fix then
, if they try the bumber/gift card route then
As im from the UK, I cant return it now. I was hoping Apple would provide a fix, software update 4.0.1/4.1 isnt going to cut it, and perhaps tomorrow is what I've been waiting for.
I will wait till tomorrow to see what move Apple makes. "If Apple provide a real fix then..." I will happily get it fixed. "...If they try the bumber/gift card route then " then my iPhones being sold
We'll see *fingers crossed*
Apple admitting that if not all, then a certain amount of iPhone 4s have an issue thats not software related. I love my iPhone, issue doesnt affect me but i didnt pay £500 for a phone that has such a problem.
Apple, I hope will have a fix. I don't care what it is, aslong as it FIXES it, and not mask it. If Apple provide a real fix then
, if they try the bumber/gift card route then As im from the UK, I cant return it now. I was hoping Apple would provide a fix, software update 4.0.1/4.1 isnt going to cut it, and perhaps tomorrow is what I've been waiting for.
I will wait till tomorrow to see what move Apple makes. "If Apple provide a real fix then
..." I will happily get it fixed. "...If they try the bumber/gift card route then " then my iPhones being sold We'll see
*fingers crossed*
My office has complete wifi coverage. I imagine that's common place. The only time (Mon to Fri) that my iPhone needs a 3G connection is the drive home from the office to my house. And guess what, I'm driving not surfing. As soon as I step in my front door, it's back on Wifi again. So the only time I'd be using 3G data is when I'm out at the weekend... with my kids... perhaps at the shop or park, where heavy surfing is compromised by life.
Also, just because someone is in the office or at home on wifi, that has no bearing on how many calls they make, where an antenna issue (I don't have one) would affect your ability to make and complete said calls.
My colleague uses his 3GS constantly. Regularly throughout the day in the office, and as his primary surfing device when away from the office. He used 800mb in a year! Where you work has a heavy bearing on data use. And of course no bearing on how many calls you make. Even someone with less than 200mb of data use would see significant issues with calls if they had an antenna issue. The fact that the only people really shouting about this are a minority of US AT&T users and the press speaks volumes.
I'm not sure about the whole nation but they seem to manage to control your mind alright.
Did you also get this invite?
There ya go, Jobs will answer all questions with Arnold drops..
So what do you plan to do about the antenna..
It's NOT A TUMOR!
As you know, many people are complaining about..
STOP IT! I"M A POLICE OFFICER YOU IDIOT!
I'm holding a phone right here, and you can see that..
YOU son of a bitch! You must be very proud of yourself..
Do you have anything else to say to the millions of Apple fans that you've let down?
Who is your daddy, and what does he DO?
Are you betting your own money on this or are you being clever with someones else's money?
All good stocks went "hyper" in 2009/10, some are starting to be a little expensive!. The developed economies are cooling, and have an ever increasing trade deficit, china is nearly ripe for a collapse and any bad news can be devastating be it for Apple or anyone else. Oh and credit is non existent.
BTW Everything Apple (and others) produces contributes to more USA/Europe deficit, how about they make a little less money, support factories in USA/Europe creating some jobs where they are desperately needed.
Protectionism, patriotic or just being sensible?
I may be a total moron on this one, so please beat me gently but,
I've always heard that when Apple designs these products that there are two models. The one that has been selected for production and the alternate. I was wondering if there was a possibility of an alternate design Apple could go to. Maybe revert back towards the 3GS style with internal antenna and add the new features like the gyroscope, camera, and retina display.
Just a thought.
I've always heard that when Apple designs these products that there are two models. The one that has been selected for production and the alternate. I was wondering if there was a possibility of an alternate design Apple could go to. Maybe revert back towards the 3GS style with internal antenna and add the new features like the gyroscope, camera, and retina display.
Just a thought.
Hang on? The issue doesn't affect you? Then what problem does your phone have? Why would you return a phone you love that has no problem that you can replicate? That's like me saying I'm gonna return my flawless 27" iMac because some iMacs have problems.
STEVE JOBSAnnouncement - Yes, there was an antenna issue. We found a way to fix it and any new iPhones purchased will be fine.
For existing customers, you may pick between a bumper case or $25 to spend on apps in the iTunes store. You must claim before July 31.
There is NO WAY this will happen. People are still within their 30 day return window. All those people could simply return the phone and get a new one after 3 days when their upgrade eligibility comes back.
Did you also get this invite?
Well there is certainly a big positive out of all of this mess. These references are gold! Gold!
Yeah I didn't do any maths hence the 'probably less'. thanks for working that out haha.
I've had exactly the same issue on Wi-Fi with a friend using his HTC Desire, we both went to load up a video on Youtube over perfectly functioning wireless that I'd used many times in the past (mainly so I could show of how great my screen was compared to his) and, for no logical reason, my phone just sat there with the loading bar stationary while his instantly started to play the video - I was careful not to touch the black strip and have had no problems with wireless streaming before or since... Is there something about the iP4 that would cause it to have issue with other Wi-Fi devices around? Seems an odd one.
Apple just updated their site, look!
the duct tape bottom reflection is missing! i'm saying it's FAKE!
I see why you are confused. You are thinking waaaaaay too high level here. The Antenna and signal processor aren't digital at all. RF (Radio Frequency) airwaves are not digital. It's all analog.
The problem is on the analog side. What the software receives as a digital signal is an analog waveform that has been reconverted. If there is not enough information left in the analog airwaves, the 1s and 0s are garbled during the conversion. Software can't fix this. No Signal is No Signal.
I think the best example of this is Cable TV. You know Digital Cable ? It's analog. Well, it's like your phone, it's a digital signal encoded over an analog RF signal (yes, Cable uses Radio Frequency, except in a wired way. This is the source of my RF knowledge since I've worked with cable based systems).
All the low level cable stuff is all analog signal in the way it's treated, debugged and tuned. Your receiver then processes the analog signal to convert it to digital 1s and 0s. If the analog source has very low signal or low s/n (signal to noise because noise was amplified along with signal in an amplifier) it can't recognize what is a 1 and what is a 0 anymore.
the duct tape bottom reflection is missing! i'm saying it's FAKE!
haha, you caught me
Makes no sense at all. If it is only some IP4s that suffer, how come every proper test (Anandtech, CR, Antennasys) has found that the iPhone(s) used has the problem? What are the chances of none of them getting a good one if there are only a few bad ones? And how come every test has come back with the same results as the other tests?
Bottom line: They all suffer from the issue. Get used to it.
Thinking Differently
Ok, so here is my take on it.
Yes shorting both antennas will ultimately lead to leakage of transmission as well as blocking of reception.
On how many occasions would we be holding the phone is a grip of death while using wifi and 3g simultaneously?
My guess here, is that we could have a software fix that would lower down the power to the wifi antenna when 3G or voice are being used.
Don't know if anyone has experimented to see if the problem persists with wifi off or not? If the problem is not reproducible if wifi is off, then this might be the way to fix. Just reduce wifi power during 3G usage and away we go
They could also do some snazzy stuff by actually analyzing the return on both antennas via software to determine the antennas are being shorted or not and drop wifi power if they detect the short during 3G usage. That way the fix would be even more specific to people holding the phone in this particular grip
Simply put the phone could detect if it's held the wrong way while 3G is being used and drop wifi power to compensate for that
./sherif
Ok, so here is my take on it.
Yes shorting both antennas will ultimately lead to leakage of transmission as well as blocking of reception.
On how many occasions would we be holding the phone is a grip of death while using wifi and 3g simultaneously?
My guess here, is that we could have a software fix that would lower down the power to the wifi antenna when 3G or voice are being used.
Don't know if anyone has experimented to see if the problem persists with wifi off or not? If the problem is not reproducible if wifi is off, then this might be the way to fix. Just reduce wifi power during 3G usage and away we go
They could also do some snazzy stuff by actually analyzing the return on both antennas via software to determine the antennas are being shorted or not and drop wifi power if they detect the short during 3G usage. That way the fix would be even more specific to people holding the phone in this particular grip
Simply put the phone could detect if it's held the wrong way while 3G is being used and drop wifi power to compensate for that
./sherif
Hopefully this is it...
Apple admitting that if not all, then a certain amount of iPhone 4s have an issue thats not software related. I love my iPhone, issue doesnt affect me but i didnt pay £500 for a phone that has such a problem.
Apple, I hope will have a fix. I don't care what it is, aslong as it FIXES it, and not mask it. If Apple provide a real fix then
As im from the UK, I cant return it now. I was hoping Apple would provide a fix, software update 4.0.1/4.1 isnt going to cut it, and perhaps tomorrow is what I've been waiting for.
I will wait till tomorrow to see what move Apple makes. "If Apple provide a real fix then
We'll see
You can return it if you live in the UK. You have 30 days within purchase date to do it. And you are also protected by the Sales of Good act that you are entitled to a full refund due to Apple selling goods unfit for purpose. In this case its the ability to make & receive calls as described. As is well documented now this is due to a hardware fault.
So be safe in the knowledge that you are protected from the likes of Apple who think they can treat customers like idiots!
Not if you bought it from a carrier - O2 confirmed my 2 week return/contract lock-in period was up last Thursday
Would like to know if Apple's 30 return would be relevant through O2?