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I think you make a fair point, but I just don’t fully agree. Supporting actual violence, hate, and division is very different from creating a TV show that has some of that in it. I was actually kind of on board with Apple keeping content family friendly, but I certainly wouldn’t mind more mature content either.
I feel like folks are not understanding the difference between fantasy and reality.

Apparently Apple can’t tell the difference either:

https://9to5mac.com/2018/12/07/apple-removes-war-app/

Like I said. Hypocrites.
 
One could argue that Apple is exploiting people with their overpriced devices. What ever rebuttal you use, use that against yourself in regards to the Tumblr comment.

See how that works!?

I only purchase the Apple devices that delight me. Exactly the same as being exploited in the world of porn. I see your point. Touché.
 
I only purchase the Apple devices that delight me. Exactly the same as being exploited in the world of porn. I see your point. Touché.

People that do porn or nude art enjoy it and are comfortable with their bodies. It’s unfortunate that others are insecure about OTHER people’s bodies and what THEY DECIDE to do with it.

Back to you.
 
People that do porn or nude art enjoy it and are comfortable with their bodies. It’s unfortunate that others are insecure about OTHER people’s bodies and what THEY DECIDE to do with it.

Back to you.

The example is Tumblr, peddling exploitative porn. Not art. Not erotica. Often, not voluntary.
 
It's like saying the Yankees are looking for the next Babe Ruth. Apple is looking for a smash hit, a successful show like Breaking Bad. If you always take life so literally you are probably going to have problems in the future.

good to see apple is at the level to roll out the next smash hit........ you don't need to make up excuses for them aiming a tad high at this stage ;) I assume you have watched breaking bad, think apple could pull off a smash hit to rival it ?? :p
 
good to see apple is at the level to roll out the next smash hit........ you don't need to make up excuses for them aiming a tad high at this stage ;) I assume you have watched breaking bad, think apple could pull off a smash hit to rival it ?? :p

I didn't say one way or another if they can pull it off.Was just correcting somebody who was being utterly obtuse to what Apple is looking for. FWIW if they are going to make content they should be aiming as high as the sky. If they have the right studios and some good actors there is no reason they couldn't eventually stumble upon a great hit.
 
On a side note, it’s worth noting that Netflix is taking on quite a lot of debt and doesn’t yet seem to be profitable. In fact, streaming services don’t seem to be financially sustainable.

https://lrmonline.com/news/hulus-financial-losses-are-mounting-are-they-in-trouble/

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...llion-users-and-loses-even-more-money-703781/

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/22/amazon-prime-instant-video-is-a-huge-loss-leader.aspx

https://www.fiercevideo.com/cable/y...ogramming-for-35-a-month-service-analyst-says

https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/netflix-to-raise-2-billion-in-debt-to-fund-more-original-content/

So when critics claim that Apple will never beat Netflix because the latter is so much more ahead, I don’t think they have factored in the possibility of these standalone services simply imploding because they have run out of money.

Just like how Apple now is close to catching up to Spotify in where it matters (paid subscribers), and is actually beating Spotify in metrics such as streaming numbers.

Maybe the best move is simply for Apple to just sit back and watch the competition self-destruct? They certainly have the resources to engage in a protracted battle.
 
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On a side note, it’s worth noting that Netflix is taking on quite a lot of debt and doesn’t yet seem to be profitable. In fact, streaming services don’t seem to be financially sustainable.

https://lrmonline.com/news/hulus-financial-losses-are-mounting-are-they-in-trouble/

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...llion-users-and-loses-even-more-money-703781/

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/22/amazon-prime-instant-video-is-a-huge-loss-leader.aspx

https://www.fiercevideo.com/cable/y...ogramming-for-35-a-month-service-analyst-says

https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/22/netflix-to-raise-2-billion-in-debt-to-fund-more-original-content/

So when critics claim that Apple will never beat Netflix because the latter is so much more ahead, I don’t think they have factored in the possibility of these standalone services simply imploding because they have run out of money.

Just like how Apple now is close to catching up to Spotify in where it matters (paid subscribers), and is actually beating Spotify in metrics such as streaming numbers.

Maybe the best move is simply for Apple to just sit back and watch the competition self-destruct? They certainly have the resources to engage in a protracted battle.

Netflix has been somewhat of an anomaly they borrow and then borrow again and their stock isn't hurting too badly. When the fed hikes rates eventually that type of money will become expensive to get. Either way it will be interesting to see Apple's entrance to their market.

Apple is always late but usually does it better when they finally move.
 
Netflix has been somewhat of an anomaly they borrow and then borrow again and their stock isn't hurting too badly. When the fed hikes rates eventually that type of money will become expensive to get. Either way it will be interesting to see Apple's entrance to their market.

Apple is always late but usually does it better when they finally move.
The thing I find about Wall Street (and in all honesty, quite a number of naysayers here) is that they seem to have this weird fetish with market share. That's why they tend to overvalue companies like Netflix or Uber who grew very quickly early on even though it wasn't clear how they would ever become profitable.

At the same time, Apple grows slowly and methodically, while taking their time to release products which go on to be insanely profitable and vacuum up the lion's share of profits in their respective markets, and they are punished for it simply because they aren't reinventing entire markets every other day, or hoping on whatever new tech trend seems to be the buzzword of the week (remember VR and voice assistants?), or flitting from one tech project to the next like a butterfly with ADHD (didn't Google just shutter another project this week?).

I am beginning to suspect that the whole streaming scene is headed towards one giant bubble that is waiting to burst. The massive amounts of money that these companies are spending simply doesn't seem sustainable, and companies like Netflix seem trapped in a vicious cycle where they essentially have to keep reinvesting every last cent of their profits towards churning out new content to keep users subscribed, which kinda defeats the whole point of turning a profit in the end. It's like Spotify who pays out 70% of their revenue and continue to subsidise the free tier, so they haven't been able to reap the benefits of being as huge as they are.

The only ones left standing might be Amazon (who becomes the de-facto cable streaming service), Disney, Comcast, and yes, Apple. I foresee Netflix eventually being acquired by some other larger company (unlike to be Apple, but who knows, Netflix's net worth just might tank low enough to make it a "heck, why not?").

Netflix is far from invincible. I think it's time we stopped overrating the competition while being so negative about Apple and putting down everything that Apple does, just because.
 
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The thing I find about Wall Street (and in all honesty, quite a number of naysayers here) is that they seem to have this weird fetish with market share. That's why they tend to overvalue companies like Netflix or Uber who grew very quickly early on even though it wasn't clear how they would ever become profitable.

At the same time, Apple grows slowly and methodically, while taking their time to release products which go on to be insanely profitable and vacuum up the lion's share of profits in their respective markets, and they are punished for it simply because they aren't reinventing entire markets every other day, or hoping on whatever new tech trend seems to be the buzzword of the week (remember VR and voice assistants?), or flitting from one tech project to the next like a butterfly with ADHD (didn't Google just shutter another project this week?).

I am beginning to suspect that the whole streaming scene is headed towards one giant bubble that is waiting to burst. The massive amounts of money that these companies are spending simply doesn't seem sustainable, and companies like Netflix seem trapped in a vicious cycle where they essentially have to keep reinvesting every last cent of their profits towards churning out new content to keep users subscribed, which kinda defeats the whole point of turning a profit in the end. It's like Spotify who pays out 70% of their revenue and continue to subsidise the free tier, so they haven't been able to reap the benefits of being as huge as they are.

The only ones left standing might be Amazon (who becomes the de-facto cable streaming service), Disney, Comcast, and yes, Apple. I foresee Netflix eventually being acquired by some other larger company (unlike to be Apple, but who knows, Netflix's net worth just might tank low enough to make it a "heck, why not?").

Netflix is far from invincible. I think it's time we stopped overrating the competition while being so negative about Apple and putting down everything that Apple does, just because.

Nice post very thoughtful.
 
Tim is trying to pass this mess on to Jeff Williams thinking the future of Apple is in watches.

Netflix is far from invincible.

Netflix is a standard for streaming. Makes them have tremendous staying power.
 
Netflix is a standard for streaming. Makes them have tremendous staying power.

I think you mean to say that Netflix is a household name, the same way Spotify is synonymous with music streaming.

At the end of the day, Netflix still needs to turn a profit.

The real battle is only just beginning.
 
I didn't say one way or another if they can pull it off.Was just correcting somebody who was being utterly obtuse to what Apple is looking for. FWIW if they are going to make content they should be aiming as high as the sky. If they have the right studios and some good actors there is no reason they couldn't eventually stumble upon a great hit.

The problem is the innovation aspect , the script for the studios , and apple has enough problems innovating hardware, that I see no tangible evidence that they can even produce a mediocre show let alone the next huge hit. So if you look at something apple did know something about, music, geez they got Apple Music wrong for so Long. Apple is like Microsoft of old, lots of money, poor execution of those funds .
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I think you mean to say that Netflix is a household name, the same way Spotify is synonymous with music streaming.

At the end of the day, Netflix still needs to turn a profit.

The real battle is only just beginning.

And that battle is between ? In creation of content, it's going to go the way of the home pod, so many here claiming apple would become a major player and do it right , cause it's apple. home pod is a poor product cause apple got it so wrong with voice AI, missed the point completely , price and Siri. Apple has the money to be a player, and hang around, it will not threaten the others. Though we can hear the war cry again that apple will do it right...... yeah like the messed up MacBook line, poor designed new MacBook pros ....... apple struggles to get right what used to be its bread and butter. And these execs who depend on one product for their profits are going to innovate the streaming industry, maybe if jobs was around, this current mob...... ha ha ha ..... I'm a huge fan, though unless they get rid of Cook, apple is going to price themselves out of the game, i don't want apple to ruin other industries with cooks prices going up each year. I now support Spotify etc, cause I want value for money - cooks greed is rising prices even for android devices etc.
 
And that battle is between ? In creation of content, it's going to go the way of the home pod, so many here claiming apple would become a major player and do it right , cause it's apple. home pod is a poor product cause apple got it so wrong with voice AI, missed the point completely , price and Siri. Apple has the money to be a player, and hang around, it will not threaten the others. Though we can hear the war cry again that apple will do it right...... yeah like the messed up MacBook line, poor designed new MacBook pros ....... apple struggles to get right what used to be its bread and butter. And these execs who depend on one product for their profits are going to innovate the streaming industry, maybe if jobs was around, this current mob...... ha ha ha ..... I'm a huge fan, though unless they get rid of Cook, apple is going to price themselves out of the game, i don't want apple to ruin other industries with cooks prices going up each year. I now support Spotify etc, cause I want value for money - cooks greed is rising prices even for android devices etc.
The major players haven't officially entered the battlefield yet. You have Disney, Warner, Apple in the very least. All with near-limitless battle chests and the benefit of not needing these streaming services to be profitable in their own right.

One can also look to the Apple Watch and Apple Music.

When the Apple Watch launched, it was a barely functional product. The device was slow, and the messaging was confused. But by the 2nd generation, it was apparent that Apple was starting to figure out what it was good for. Now, Apple is clearer than ever what they want the watch to be, and it shows in their clear messaging.

It's taken a couple of years, but when we look at the state of the wearables market today, it's clear that there really isn't any viable competition to the Apple Watch.

Same with Apple Music. People claimed that Spotify was too far ahead, but looking at trends today, Apple has locked up a signifiant portion of the paid subscriber market, continues to grow this number every quarter, and is actually leading in usage numbers in certain areas.

The HomePod has barely been out for a year, so I wouldn't be so quick as to write it off just yet.

I said it before. One underrates Apple to their own detriment. The real battle is only just beginning.
 
The major players haven't officially entered the battlefield yet. You have Disney, Warner, Apple in the very least. All with near-limitless battle chests and the benefit of not needing these streaming services to be profitable in their own right.

One can also look to the Apple Watch and Apple Music.

When the Apple Watch launched, it was a barely functional product. The device was slow, and the messaging was confused. But by the 2nd generation, it was apparent that Apple was starting to figure out what it was good for. Now, Apple is clearer than ever what they want the watch to be, and it shows in their clear messaging.

It's taken a couple of years, but when we look at the state of the wearables market today, it's clear that there really isn't any viable competition to the Apple Watch.

Same with Apple Music. People claimed that Spotify was too far ahead, but looking at trends today, Apple has locked up a signifiant portion of the paid subscriber market, continues to grow this number every quarter, and is actually leading in usage numbers in certain areas.

The HomePod has barely been out for a year, so I wouldn't be so quick as to write it off just yet.

I said it before. One underrates Apple to their own detriment. The real battle is only just beginning.

Apple does some things really well.

Smart watch - its done well, though expected as they are the only ones taking it seriously- still Apple or not , not a product segment that most people care about. Apple has done great here though, really like Apple Watch 4

Music - it was expected Apple to scrush Spotify , maybe I misunderstood the articles leading to launch . It was a horrible launch ..... and hip hop..... though I digress, a company like Apple , who gets user experience launched with that cluster**** that was Apple Music UI.

HomePod - Siri + price is the issue . For the price of one HomePod you can get your house outfitted with Alexa etc. I got who echo dots for £50 ....

I’ve been with apple, 10 years ago I agreed with you, do not under estimate Apple doing it right - under Steve. Under Cook we have our own Ballmer, and the company is being run for profit only without direction. Let’s go to basics, does the notebook range make sense? SKU wise ? And we think these guys will win the war streaming ? Nah, Cooks only vision is most profit in the short term, that is not how you win the war, that is a battle.

Though this is only my opinion, and reading your posts, I respect them, you have good knowledge . Let’s see it play out
 
Apple's so thirsty to cash in on something it knows nothing about. Leave cinema to the pros. Focus on your tech instead.

You could say the same thing about Netflix or Amazon -- they were once a DVD/streaming service and an online retailer, respectively. But they both had the good sense to move up the food chain and produce their own content since they had the money and the means of distribution.

Given that Apple is (or has been recently) a $1 trillion company, they can just hire the pros you speak of. It's not like a bunch of engineers are going to sit down and make a TV show or a movie or an album.
 
The example is Tumblr, peddling exploitative porn. Not art. Not erotica. Often, not voluntary.

Tumblr is a platform. If something is illegal or broke the TOS there are methods of reporting that and having it removed. Hmm, kinda like the App Store. Wonder when Apple will remove the App Store from iPhones ...
 
There will never be another Breaking Bad!

Probably not. I watched the complete series twice. I wasn't about guns so much as pulling rabbits out of hats. Amazing that a thread like this has generated 124 posts in one day.
 
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