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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops

mdntcallr said:
there may not be blu-ray on the new laptops yet. but there hopefully will be soon. why? the slot loading bd player / superdrive probably wasn't available yet. who knows, my hope is in january we get that, and imac, mac pro towers with blu-ray options.

as for the missing firewire on macbooks? sorry tradeoff for a great new graphics chip is probably meant to differentiate the MBP and the regular MB. also.... with the next incarnation of USB, it will be pretty hard to justify firewire in a couple years. for now though firewire is great.
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It will never be hard to justify firewire as long as there is no other way to do Target Disk Mode.

TDM has saved me literally thousands of dollars and gigabytes of irreplaceable data. And if Apple can't find a way to justify the higher price of the MBP without taking away features from the macbook that it's had since clamshell G3 days, then maybe Apple needs to discontinue the MBP. I didn't tell them to make the MB into a better machine than the MBP. They chose to do that. To intentionally cripple a major function just to con people into spending more on the "pro" version is arrogant and spiteful.

I will not pay a premium the placate Apple's ego.
 
Blue Velvet said:
I don't buy content from the iTMS store. Nor do I care about current laptops; I'm not buying one for a while. So there's no reason for me to look into these things except being aware of HD standards when I buy my next display and Mac.

Besides, your post was about your cinema display which doesn't have an HDMI socket. I'm not entirely sure how you were hoping to play HDCP-tagged content on it. That's the only point I was making.
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I wasn't hoping to. I'm in this situation because existing content and new hardware stealthily create it. You're still missing the point. This is not a discussion about existing displays should support HDCP.

added: and BTW, my post never said anything about the lack of a HDMI socket
 
Snowy_River said:
Just settle down there. DisplayPort is neither Apple's nor proprietary. It is an open industry standard. (Wikipedea on DisplayPort). HDMI, on the other hand, while it is a standard in the consumer electronics industry (i.e. televisions), is neither a standard in the computer industry, nor is it open. HDMI is proprietary, and requires licensing fees, etc.

So, from my perspective, this is much like Apple's adoption of USB (I can still remember the clamor over that one, too...). In any event, check your facts before you go off on a rant...
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DisplayPort may be an open standard, but mini DisplayPort is not.
And DisplayPort may be license fee-free, but HDCP, has a licensing fee, and as we all just found out, Apple's DisplayPort implementation uses HDCP. So I'm not exactly sure what your argument is.

A theoretical standard DisplayPort-enabled Mac without HDCP would be the open, fee-less standard you're talking about, but neither end of that equation exists in an Apple product.
 
kamm said:
Apple was already part of the axis, for long time. Look at iTMS, that should tell you the whole story.
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Now, now...

Apple put together a business model that allowed them to sell music that was controlled by the music companies. The copy protection was the idea of the music companies, not Apple. And if you were really bothered by it, Apple made it pretty easy to subvert the protection via the "analog hole".

The interesting bit here is that Apple caved into the movie industry and is actively working to plug the analog hole for movie content.
 
benpatient said:
Keep in mind that when a movie costs 100 million dollars to "do" that cost includes paying all of the people who make the movie happen. The industry likes to say that if you download a movie for free, that joe the set painter won't get paid for the work he did on the movie. The truth is that he already got paid. If he's not happy with the amount of pay he's getting, he should change careers or hold out for a better offer.

But don't let them guilt you into changing your evil ways with stories about gaffers not getting paid. The only thing that will stop them from making movies is a WGA strike or an SAG strike or something similar. You don't see the SAG members paying the kraft service workers' salaries during an actor's strike, now, do you?
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I forget who it was but G4 posted a story a couple months ago about a certain CEO trying to pull this crap about game designers not getting paid for creating a game when people buy one copy and copy it for all their friends.

What a crock. All the developers got paid as the game development went on. Any extra bonuses based on sales are just that..... BONUSES. CEOs seem to take a bigger cut though compared to the actual developers and artists.
 
Hdmi

There is no HDMI or DVI or VGA Video recorder!!!! This is so stupid.

i have a macpro that can play HD video, a macbook pro that can play HD video, A ACD that can display more resolution than HD

I buy a bluray (drive), i go to buy a movie on bluray or on itunes legally and i can view it!!!!! ahahahahaha this is insane.
 
Blue Velvet said:
I don't buy content from the iTMS store. Nor do I care about current laptops; I'm not buying one for a while. So there's no reason for me to look into these things except being aware of HD standards when I buy my next display and Mac.

Besides, your post was about your cinema display which doesn't have an HDMI socket. I'm not entirely sure how you were hoping to play HDCP-tagged content on it. That's the only point I was making.
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DVI/HDCP monitors have been available for quite some time now. You don't need HDMI to do/require HDCP. HDCP can run over DVI, HDMI, or DisplayPort. Apple was just behind the times (as usual).
 
danny_w said:
DVI/HDCP monitors have been available for quite some time now. You don't need HDMI to do/require HDCP. HDCP can run over DVI, HDMI, or DisplayPort. Apple was just behind the times (as usual).
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But Apple's DVI-based displays don't support HDCP. It isn't a software-based support scheme, either, so no existing 20, 23, or 30 inch CD will EVER support HDCP-protected playback, even though the DVI spec supports it.

The real problem is the lack of a mini-DP to DP or DVI adapter.
 
The thing is this copy protection just like several before it prob is already in the process of being bypassed. All this does is limit the paying customer of the rights to watch the movie by telling them where they must view it. I like to have my laptop hooked up to my DLP through VGA as an external monitor so by this method if I had an hdcp protected movie purchased through the ITMS I was trying to play while doing some other work on the large monitor it wouldn't play. However if I downloaded the same movie illegally it would play just fine, how does that encourage digital movie purchases.. Someone will find a way around this just like DRM, DVD Encryption, DVD Region protection, BLU-RAY Encryption and so on, the fact is that no matter how good the copy protection is someone will beat it. As far as the Movie studios hurting, cry me a river..most of the movies bought on itunes movie store with said protection are blockbuster hits, not the CANNES movie festival starving artist, it's the sony pictures Batman etc..who make millions at the box office, merchandising sound tracks etc..,that this is affecting, this crap is red tape to prevent further copying, where it is basically going to reduce the amount of sales of digital content, which will be good for me because I buy physical media BLU-RAYs and feared that digital contact might make it obsolete..
 
This is really, really, really bad. Really bad.

My ex-wife is a high school teacher. She uses projectors in every lesson, integrates video into powerpoint presentations to illustrate her lessons. (English Lit and Art History).

Every room in her school has a different projector installed. So now she can't reliably use purchased iTunes content to teach her students? (Which is legal under Australian copyright law, incidentally.)

Someone needs to take those Hollywood types and beat their head against a monitor until they agree to treat the general public with respect.
 
jlewis2k1 said:
This is with ANY retail store you go to. Its not the store's fault that you can't return it. Its the copyright laws, if retail stores were to violate the law there would be a huge amount of lawsuits and violation fees because of this. It really bothers me that consumers expect retail stores to take back something that is open just because they "don't like it" or "wasn't what they thought it is". You can exchange the product for the same thing, but not for a different product. So, walking out of the store throwing a fit is only just going to make you look embarrassing and not going to help you get your refund.

Apple has stated that you can't get a refund on music or videos purchased through their store. Once you spent the money thats it. This is pretty much the same thing as the copyright laws that retail stores have to follow.
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FYI, copyright law has *nothing* to do with retail store return policies.
 
Bosunsfate said:
I don't really see it being a big deal. How often would you connect up a projector to watch a movie like this?
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My teachers did that all the time in Highschool!

macbookairapple said:
The majority of the world doesn't use itunes, just because you use doesn't mean everyone else is. Sure there's a big market of those who are willing to pay for digital downloads. But there is an even bigger market of those who don't want to pay and get it off torrent sites, limewire, and the rest of those sites.
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Actually, iTunes is the number 1 music seller in the US. It might not be used by ALL the world, but it's used by a LOT of it.
 
jlewis2k1 said:
I don't understand why Apple Fanboys are getting all pissy about this but take a look at Dell, HP, Gateway, Toshiba, Sony and many other companies who have added HDMI or Blu-ray to their machines. They all had to put in HDCP into their product. Do you hear customers from those companies complaining about this? I have yet to hear someone complain.
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Try googling for HDCP and Vista and see how noisy the Windows world has been about the whole HDCP fiasco...
 
jmggs said:
There is no HDMI or DVI or VGA Video recorder!!!! This is so stupid.

i have a macpro that can play HD video, a macbook pro that can play HD video, A ACD that can display more resolution than HD

I buy a bluray (drive), i go to buy a movie on bluray or on itunes legally and i can view it!!!!! ahahahahaha this is insane.
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When I was at university we found a way to bypass HDCP. We had DVI to DSI converters, they supported HDCP on the input, but once converted to SDI signal HDCP is not used. We could then pass the SDI signal into anything, back to DVI, or to component, into a computer, or better into a converter that would output to .h264 or Dirac in real time.
 
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