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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops
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True, but as with Windows this adds a layer of complexity and crud to the operating system that I for one don't want, whether I watch movies or not. I was hoping Apple would avoid all this crap, but sadly we're stuck with it. I assume the fascinating and exciting world of blu-ray isn't far behind.
I wonder if NBC returning to iTunes is related to this?
Well, his friend John was breaking the law, so at least we know the system works!
I believe that the internal LVDS connector was grandfathered in somehow. Don't quote me on that though.
It would not allow output of protected videos. The "analog route" is exactly what HDCP is designed to close. DisplayPort supports HDCP, and since your component adapter is not an HDCP display, it will refuse to output your video.
The only reason a component cable would work in the Xbox case is because it has a completely separate analog output port and encoding circuit. The HDMI and direct digital output was added on as a second, separate option in later models.
I think some of the people were the same as the ones saying that this was a good thing in that it hints to Blueray support, and thus in-built BR players. Or so I figured they were saying.
Anyway, DRM sucks and is the first reason I don't buy anything from the iTMS (the second is the lack of quality).
confused
I have not gone through all the posts, but am I reading this right? If I was to upgrade to a new macbook, I could start getting errors based on the type of external monitor I have connected? Meaning, if I have a projector or use my 19-inch LG monitor connected to my macbook - the movie would not play?
what about if you do mirroring (where everything is mirrored on both the LCD and the port)?
that would totally stink. I know many people who rent or buy DVD's, use web streaming, etc. for educational purposes. Hellboy in a highschool, well I question that, but then again when I was in highschool - if your grades were high enough you could skip out of class on a special occasion and go to a studyhall and watch a movie; and on special occasions we had movie day.
That kinda negates the whole point of having the external monitor port, especially if you use movies as part of the classroom curriculum (ie in my college psycology 101 we watch "NUTS", and a couple of other movies and then analyzed them and the characters).
Looks like we are back to the days of wheeling in the VCR and TV on an A/V cart.
Apple, had a new (I'm a PC/I'm a mac) ad appear on CNN today, where it showed a satisfaction meter. I bet this will shave a few points off......
this also may be an attempt to using only apple hardware. I was not about to spend the money for an Apple ACD, when I can pick up a 3rd party monitor that looks just as good and connect it (for much less).
I have not gone through all the posts, but am I reading this right? If I was to upgrade to a new macbook, I could start getting errors based on the type of external monitor I have connected? Meaning, if I have a projector or use my 19-inch LG monitor connected to my macbook - the movie would not play?
what about if you do mirroring (where everything is mirrored on both the LCD and the port)?
that would totally stink. I know many people who rent or buy DVD's, use web streaming, etc. for educational purposes. Hellboy in a highschool, well I question that, but then again when I was in highschool - if your grades were high enough you could skip out of class on a special occasion and go to a studyhall and watch a movie; and on special occasions we had movie day.
That kinda negates the whole point of having the external monitor port, especially if you use movies as part of the classroom curriculum (ie in my college psycology 101 we watch "NUTS", and a couple of other movies and then analyzed them and the characters).
Looks like we are back to the days of wheeling in the VCR and TV on an A/V cart.
Apple, had a new (I'm a PC/I'm a mac) ad appear on CNN today, where it showed a satisfaction meter. I bet this will shave a few points off......
this also may be an attempt to using only apple hardware. I was not about to spend the money for an Apple ACD, when I can pick up a 3rd party monitor that looks just as good and connect it (for much less).
Just because you are paying to rent the movie, doesn't mean you can rip it. Now, if you are ripping your personal dvd collection and use it for your own use, there shouldn't be any problem. However, authorities still can say you pirated the movie even though you didn't. You would be held liable for any illegal copies of the movies just because you redistributed it.
How would you feel if you were a movie producer and 25% of your viewers pirated your movie? That would be a 25% loss. Would you rather have 100% revenue over 75% revenue?
i find the region code limit on dvds infinitely more annoying.
a completely pointless and useless implementation.
a completely pointless and useless implementation.
Boy, don't you hate it when you buy some media, want to consume it and it turns out you can't?
I have a grudge about Sony already. Bought a CD, wouldn' ply in any of my CD players so I thought maybe I can rip/copy it so I can listen to it. Turns out lots of Sony discs from that error had root kits on them so putting it into a computer is generally a bad idea. Had to download it from some dubious source, just to discover the actual music was pretty bad. Deleted the download (was really bad, seriously) and returned the CD after a few days. Store said they had a non-return policy on CDs, so I just handed him the CD and left the store after some moderate swearing and cursing.
Is there a way to "return" a movie to iTunes if you're unable to play it?
I have a grudge about Sony already. Bought a CD, wouldn' ply in any of my CD players so I thought maybe I can rip/copy it so I can listen to it. Turns out lots of Sony discs from that error had root kits on them so putting it into a computer is generally a bad idea. Had to download it from some dubious source, just to discover the actual music was pretty bad. Deleted the download (was really bad, seriously) and returned the CD after a few days. Store said they had a non-return policy on CDs, so I just handed him the CD and left the store after some moderate swearing and cursing.
Is there a way to "return" a movie to iTunes if you're unable to play it?
confused
I have not gone through all the posts, but am I reading this right? If I was to upgrade to a new macbook, I could start getting errors based on the type of external monitor I have connected? Meaning, if I have a projector or use my 19-inch LG monitor connected to my macbook - the movie would not play?
what about if you do mirroring (where everything is mirrored on both the LCD and the port)?
that would totally stink. I know many people who rent or buy DVD's, use web streaming, etc. for educational purposes. Hellboy in a highschool, well I question that, but then again when I was in highschool - if your grades were high enough you could skip out of class on a special occasion and go to a studyhall and watch a movie; and on special occasions we had movie day.
That kinda negates the whole point of having the external monitor port, especially if you use movies as part of the classroom curriculum (ie in my college psycology 101 we watch "NUTS", and a couple of other movies and then analyzed them and the characters).
Looks like we are back to the days of wheeling in the VCR and TV on an A/V cart.
Apple, had a new (I'm a PC/I'm a mac) ad appear on CNN today, where it showed a satisfaction meter. I bet this will shave a few points off......
this also may be an attempt to using only apple hardware. I was not about to spend the money for an Apple ACD, when I can pick up a 3rd party monitor that looks just as good and connect it (for much less).
Even if you did a video mirror, that wouldn't make a difference. Now, if your monitor or projector has HDCP built in, then you wouldn't have that problem.
The technology that Apple is using is all hardware. So, that would be the graphics card that is used, probably has the HDCP built in. So, it may not have been all Apple, it could also go back onto the graphics chip maker too.
some seem not to understand that many have monitors, projectors and set ups that cost $1000s. when you buy a new MBP you not only have to buy an expesive adapter, you also can not view some movies or play games you buy.
so you're faced with the decision to not buy movies, take your chances and hope it's not DRM'd or buy new equipment. not a good selling point for a new MBP.
or you pirate your movies of course.
in the end not really apples fault because the entire industry is going towards DRM'd equipment and apple just goes along. i'm glad i have a early 2008 MBP that will last a few years till that all is sorted out. by then my monitor is needs most likely to be replaced anyway.
Boy am I glad that I didn't jump on the "iTunes Movie/TV Show" train. I was originally deterred by not being able to copy the legally purchased content to a DVD so I could watch it wherever I wanted to. But now you can't even watch the content on any monitor you choose. I'm curious to see whether or not my Dell monitor will be denied playback since I use DVI to plug into that. But like I said, I don't have any movies from the itm.
Errr... don't most DVDs strictly tell you (for a whole freaking minute) you're not to show the video to an audience? They all didn't pay to see it! In some places, you can even get into trouble when you're listening to loud music because your neighbors could hear it too, thus consuming the media without paying.
This is with ANY retail store you go to. Its not the store's fault that you can't return it. Its the copyright laws, if retail stores were to violate the law there would be a huge amount of lawsuits and violation fees because of this. It really bothers me that consumers expect retail stores to take back something that is open just because they "don't like it" or "wasn't what they thought it is". You can exchange the product for the same thing, but not for a different product. So, walking out of the store throwing a fit is only just going to make you look embarrassing and not going to help you get your refund.
Apple has stated that you can't get a refund on music or videos purchased through their store. Once you spent the money thats it. This is pretty much the same thing as the copyright laws that retail stores have to follow.
Yup, just like the people (the same?) suggesting that one shouldgo buy new audio interfaces, audio recorders, and video cameras, if you're unsatisfied with the lack of a FW-port (or the agere chipset).
Turns out a relatively cheap Mac laptop will quickly set you back thousands upon thousands of thousands of dollars.
Oh wow, what's that sound I hear?
Oh yes, it's the unmistakeable sound of the rustling of the class action lawyers in the wild. Fascinating!
Expect your $9 check or rebate within 2 years on all those iTunes movies and/or cinema display purchases.
hehe.
Oh yes, it's the unmistakeable sound of the rustling of the class action lawyers in the wild. Fascinating!
Expect your $9 check or rebate within 2 years on all those iTunes movies and/or cinema display purchases.
hehe.
um....the new laptops don't have blu-ray drives...that's what is wrong.
and we are talking about HDCP being applied to DOWNLOADED movies that already play on non-HDCP-enabled Macs all over the world. So RIGHT NOW, I can take my mac pro and go online and buy hellboy 2 and play it on an external "monitor" that would make a perfect, digital HDCP-free copy of the movie. I could then take that file and play it on a new MBP with HDCP through the OPs VGA-based projector and it would work fine.
Or to put it more directly, I could buy the OP an old non-brick macbook and log in to his itunes account and play this exact same file over his VGA projector, but his new, "better" macbook will not play the movie, even though the movie is NOT a blu-ray movie and is not required by any standard to be encoded with HDCP.
If their copy protection worked, there wouldn't be a 1080p version of Wall-E on the torrent sites with 2,000 seeders and 5,000 leechers right this minute.
Get steve jobs to explain the economic sense of THAT.
I watch stuff from my macbook through my 50" plasma that is just over 2 years old. It has an optional slot for a HDMI port, but I didn't get it because it was 150 dollars extra. Instead I run everything through my receiver via either VGA or component. I use the VGA port for the macbook connection, and apparently this new macbook would not work for me, but my year-old one will.
Too bad, Apple. This plus the missing FW400/800 port and I have to say so-long for the next laptop.
maybe I'll just get an XO.
Let me get this straight. I recently bought some CD's where in the car I started getting an Err6, or it displayed root. I thought the CD was bad, but it played on other players. So, I thought my car CD player was going - But other CD's played in the car fine. Are we now saying that CD's are coming where I can only play them on certain players?
it is becoming all to weird where I buy a CD and it will only play on a few players but not others. if that is the case, then what is the point of buying a CD, if you can't listen to it where-ever? You might just as well buy an Mp3 and burn your own CD that will play on all players.
Basically to get around the problem, I had to find ways to re-record or rip the CD and then burn it to another; just so I could play it in my car or on another CD player. technically this is making a back-up copy, since I bought it, it is for my own use, and I am not distributing it.
I think it is funny that many of you all think HDCP is evil.
Many of us just want their video to playback and look good. this system is good because it means that the laptops could be upgraded to Blu-Ray compatible, and... you can playback to compliant monitors.
i bet that several models of monitors, hopefully hdmi on them also, come in january. I want blu-ray on my mac's. tired of buying titles and not being able to watch on laptop while i travel. and i don't want to buy digital, rent or otherwise. so i am pretty happy apple is refreshing their Mac entire product line very shortly. well... i hope. they did tackle laptops, next up ... desktops.
let the fun come in january. this isn't so bad!
Many of us just want their video to playback and look good. this system is good because it means that the laptops could be upgraded to Blu-Ray compatible, and... you can playback to compliant monitors.
i bet that several models of monitors, hopefully hdmi on them also, come in january. I want blu-ray on my mac's. tired of buying titles and not being able to watch on laptop while i travel. and i don't want to buy digital, rent or otherwise. so i am pretty happy apple is refreshing their Mac entire product line very shortly. well... i hope. they did tackle laptops, next up ... desktops.
let the fun come in january. this isn't so bad!
If your monitor or projector is DVI or HDMI you could check the documentation or specs to see if it is HDCP-compliant. My son's Dell 2007fpw was the first display that I ever saw with HDCP support, via DVI.
I vaguely recall reading something MS's HDCP degrading playback,
rather than eliminating it. Have Apple done this a different way to
Microsoft or is my vague recollection faulty?
there may not be blu-ray on the new laptops yet. but there hopefully will be soon. why? the slot loading bd player / superdrive probably wasn't available yet. who knows, my hope is in january we get that, and imac, mac pro towers with blu-ray options.
as for the missing firewire on macbooks? sorry tradeoff for a great new graphics chip is probably meant to differentiate the MBP and the regular MB. also.... with the next incarnation of USB, it will be pretty hard to justify firewire in a couple years. for now though firewire is great.