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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops
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That's the player, not the DVD. There's a difference in WHAT enforces the HDCP.
The last time I checked DVDs only supported CSS and didn't have HDCP magically tacked onto the disc itself.
I don't have experience upscaling DVD players but I do know that you use the upscaling you have to use HDMI.
Latest HDMI is 1.3 So you might have problems with that down the road. Not sure about backwards compatibility.
HDCP is REQUIRED by the BluRay standards and many (most?) HD movie distributions require it as well. It's not Apple's fault, but the fault of copy-protection zealots who own the movies (that is, the studios).
But HDCP also usually says that if a display is NOT HD and HDCP compliant, the movie can be shown anyway at a reduced resolution, like 480i or p at least. That's how BluRay players work when connected to an analog display via component video, s-Video, the composit. And that is how Apple display port to VGA connector should work, too. That's how I watch BluRay movies on my PS3 connected via component out at 720p on a Pioneer 50" Plasma (older model, before DVI, HDMI, etc.).
Eddie O
Technically, then, Blu-Ray doesn't "have" HDCP either. The question was about whether HDCP could restrict your play of DVDs, and the answer that was given, "DVDs don't have HDCP", implied that it would not. This is false.
Better?
Don't support this
I have never purchased Sony digital video cameras because they shutdown if they sense you are copying DRM content....even though you have the right to copy small portions for personal use. I don't buy Sony period! I'd hate to do the same with Apple but this is crazy that I wouldn't be allowed to use my home theatre projector to display movies that I purchased on iTunes. I will not purchase Apple products with this HDCP.
I have never purchased Sony digital video cameras because they shutdown if they sense you are copying DRM content....even though you have the right to copy small portions for personal use. I don't buy Sony period! I'd hate to do the same with Apple but this is crazy that I wouldn't be allowed to use my home theatre projector to display movies that I purchased on iTunes. I will not purchase Apple products with this HDCP.
Heh, not too many Apple apologists that try to place the blame somewhere else.
Frankly, I'm amazed this thread has gone to 5 pages without someone trying to defend them, that you should be happy that Apple has taken away options to make life easier for us mere mortals..
Frankly, I'm amazed this thread has gone to 5 pages without someone trying to defend them, that you should be happy that Apple has taken away options to make life easier for us mere mortals..
No you don't. The Mac Mini is still DVI-based, meaning it does not have HDCP restrictions. You are fine to play whatever you want on whatever you want.
I am definitely glad I have one of the older Macs. DRM of any form is terrible, and only keeps honest users from accessing their media. It does VERY LITTLE to deter pirates, as we (I mean they
) will always find a way around it.I guess this is just one more reason to stay with ripping DVDs instead of iTunes. Also, as there is little appreciable difference to my eyes between Component video and HDMI (both can carry 1080p), if I am ever confronted with wanting to rip Blu-Ray, I can always record off of that!
Viva la Revolution! (or something like that
)I love it when a new product removes functionality rather then adds it. Is it bad enough that my media player is one big store front, but now I can't buy anything through it anyway. I guess I can forget watching movies on my projector now. Nice work Apple, way to shut down the 0.1% of people that were using this port to copy movies and not watch them.
Why Buy More, Apple?
I have a 1st gen MBP and 23" ACD.
Apple, what's my incentive to upgrade?
Realistically, I'm not one to upgrade my computer all the time. But this kind of thing is making me not even lust after the newer gear--it's as much a downgrade as an upgrade.
I have a 1st gen MBP and 23" ACD.
Apple, what's my incentive to upgrade?
Realistically, I'm not one to upgrade my computer all the time. But this kind of thing is making me not even lust after the newer gear--it's as much a downgrade as an upgrade.
Questions!
Hello there!
Spitfyre here. Long time listener, first time caller.
Sooooo, I am a bit confused by this. Lets say, hypothetically, that I had a movie on a DVD that I had deencrypted (is that even a word?) and saved to the hard drive of my hypothetical Macbook. Would I not be able to hook up my hMacBook to my projector and watch this movie? Or does this just involve stuff from itunes? And what if I'm just watching a good old-fashioned DVD? What if my hMacbook is attached to a monitor through a docking station?
You see I have been considering purchasing a Macbook for some time now, and since I've been doing my research on this one, I don't know if I'm up for "making the switch" when it appears that it is going to be more difficult to do some things on a $1600 machine than it is for me to do on my 5-year-old $600 Windowsarific emachine that hasn't let me down yet.
What's that you say, Bill? With Windows I can download all of the illegal movies I want and play them anytime? anywhere? Hold on ... why are you with Jerry Seinfeld!?
Okay, I digress. Please help me understand the ways of this Apple World.
Thank you.
Hello there!
Spitfyre here. Long time listener, first time caller.
Sooooo, I am a bit confused by this. Lets say, hypothetically, that I had a movie on a DVD that I had deencrypted (is that even a word?) and saved to the hard drive of my hypothetical Macbook. Would I not be able to hook up my hMacBook to my projector and watch this movie? Or does this just involve stuff from itunes? And what if I'm just watching a good old-fashioned DVD? What if my hMacbook is attached to a monitor through a docking station?
You see I have been considering purchasing a Macbook for some time now, and since I've been doing my research on this one, I don't know if I'm up for "making the switch" when it appears that it is going to be more difficult to do some things on a $1600 machine than it is for me to do on my 5-year-old $600 Windowsarific emachine that hasn't let me down yet.
What's that you say, Bill? With Windows I can download all of the illegal movies I want and play them anytime? anywhere? Hold on ... why are you with Jerry Seinfeld!?
Okay, I digress. Please help me understand the ways of this Apple World.
Thank you.
Ya know for a few weeks now I was wondering if I was glad I got the just outdated previous MBP (at $700 discount I might add) instead of the brand new MBP and I was starting to lean towards being bummed but this single issue is enough for me to say Thank God I didn't get a new MBP...
Now if feel better about stealing.
Flame me if you will, but I often stop by the Bay where the Pirates hang out and grab a divix copy of a movie for "critical previewing and reviewing" and convert it to a MP4 and send it to my Apple TV.
If my DVR messes up and misses an episode of a new TV show I don't worry since I can get it 45 min after the show has finished.
The system (selling movies/shows/music over the internet) is broken. Even though I spend $20 a month on iTunes for music and an occasional movie, I hate to do so
I would gladly pay $50 a month for access to all this content that I will view ONCE (maybe twice if it is a good movie)
In the meantime I put on my eye patch, hoist the Jolly Roger and yell ARRRRRGGGGG!
Flame me if you will, but I often stop by the Bay where the Pirates hang out and grab a divix copy of a movie for "critical previewing and reviewing" and convert it to a MP4 and send it to my Apple TV.
If my DVR messes up and misses an episode of a new TV show I don't worry since I can get it 45 min after the show has finished.
The system (selling movies/shows/music over the internet) is broken. Even though I spend $20 a month on iTunes for music and an occasional movie, I hate to do so
I would gladly pay $50 a month for access to all this content that I will view ONCE (maybe twice if it is a good movie)
In the meantime I put on my eye patch, hoist the Jolly Roger and yell ARRRRRGGGGG!
Hello there!
Spitfyre here. Long time listener, first time caller.
Sooooo, I am a bit confused by this. Lets say, hypothetically, that I had a movie on a DVD that I had deencrypted (is that even a word?) and saved to the hard drive of my hypothetical Macbook. Would I not be able to hook up my hMacBook to my projector and watch this movie? Or does this just involve stuff from itunes? And what if I'm just watching a good old-fashioned DVD? What if my hMacbook is attached to a monitor through a docking station?
You see I have been considering purchasing a Macbook for some time now, and since I've been doing my research on this one, I don't know if I'm up for "making the switch" when it appears that it is going to be more difficult to do some things on a $1600 machine than it is for me to do on my 5-year-old $600 Windowsarific emachine that hasn't let me down yet.
What's that you say, Bill? With Windows I can download all of the illegal movies I want and play them anytime? anywhere? Hold on ... why are you with Jerry Seinfeld!?
Okay, I digress. Please help me understand the ways of this Apple World.
Thank you.
You're fine. The HDCP only applies to movies that are bought/rented from the iTunes movie store. If you rip it yourself there is no HDCP anymore... So - handbrake all you want!
You're about as accurate as your politics:Wow - let me get this right. Apple is currently NOT shipping a monitor that can play content from their own laptop. SHOCKING and sad.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB382?mco=MTkzODk0Mg
You could always get a DVR and it wouldn't be illegal. My brother in law has a computer set up as a DVR and hooked up to his TV and even has a program that goes in and removes the commercials. You might entertain that idea if you're worried about "stealing"
Explain please???
So I can happily output normal displays from my (future) mac to VGA/DVI connector? Fine.
I can't output Blu-ray unless I have a HDCP display/projector/TV? Fine, I can't at the moment.
So, is this problem that iTunes now insists on all it's sold video content insisting on HDCP? If so I might not buy it if have other options.
If it's only the Blu-ray quality stuff then I guess it's fair enough; there's no alternative - buy the Blu-ray with DRM, or download with DRM.
All the above seems fair enough as it can't currently be done anyway, BUT...
If it's that DVDs can be played out the DVI of old macs can't be played out the m-DP of new macs then I see the issue. Would this be ALL DVDs on just certain DVDs with certain DRM? Can I get a DVD from my local store rip it currently and play it? Does this not work on the new ones? It seems odd that no-one has cared about "low-res" DVDs currently (except on a few players), but now studios/standards insist on certain video not working on new computers when that same stuff that plays on millions that already exist?
Can anyone with a new MB/MBP and a DVI/VGA adapter get a selection of DVDs out, and some ripped DVDs and confirm what it will/will not do?
So I can happily output normal displays from my (future) mac to VGA/DVI connector? Fine.
I can't output Blu-ray unless I have a HDCP display/projector/TV? Fine, I can't at the moment.
So, is this problem that iTunes now insists on all it's sold video content insisting on HDCP? If so I might not buy it if have other options.
If it's only the Blu-ray quality stuff then I guess it's fair enough; there's no alternative - buy the Blu-ray with DRM, or download with DRM.
All the above seems fair enough as it can't currently be done anyway, BUT...
If it's that DVDs can be played out the DVI of old macs can't be played out the m-DP of new macs then I see the issue. Would this be ALL DVDs on just certain DVDs with certain DRM? Can I get a DVD from my local store rip it currently and play it? Does this not work on the new ones? It seems odd that no-one has cared about "low-res" DVDs currently (except on a few players), but now studios/standards insist on certain video not working on new computers when that same stuff that plays on millions that already exist?
Can anyone with a new MB/MBP and a DVI/VGA adapter get a selection of DVDs out, and some ripped DVDs and confirm what it will/will not do?
Dude - reading is fundamental. I said "Wow - let me get this right. Apple is currently NOT shipping a monitor that can play content from their own laptop. SHOCKING and sad"
If you can provide me with someone who has a tracking number for the 24 inch display, then I'll admit I'm wrong. However, if you cannot, then I suggest a reading book from Amazon.com, because you need to learn the word "currently" in a very bad way.
I think you are both actually right. People don't want to pay for it nor do they want it restricted.
Actually, technically he's right... With a 7-10 business day shipping quote they aren't "currently" shipping them. And seriously - this is complete crap. What exactly is so wrong about hooking your computer up to your TV? The iTunes rentals cost more than freakin' Blockbuster as is!
I'm not an apple fanboy, but what you said is just crap.
If a dell, sony or whatever owner wants to plug their laptop, which has hdmi, to a projector, they will plug it through the dvi or vga out. And why is that, you ask? Because most of them have 2 ports (hdmi-vga; hdmi-dvi). MacBooks only have the displayport crippled with hdcp!
You are the root cause, my friend
You should get flamed. There are really two parties that are to blame for the DRM mess we find ourselves in:
(1) The pirates who steal content
(2) The entertainment companies that reacted to the piracy so ineptly
You should get flamed. There are really two parties that are to blame for the DRM mess we find ourselves in:
(1) The pirates who steal content
(2) The entertainment companies that reacted to the piracy so ineptly