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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops

Sbrocket said:
...Oh, and I could easily get all the music I want for free off of <name-your-sharing-method-here>, but the $.99 songs off the iTunes store are priced low enough where I'd rather buy my music and support the artists than just download it for free. Your claim kind of falls apart there - given good products at reasonable prices that don't ridiculously restrict your usage of the product after you've already bought it, people WILL pay for media.
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I'm never buying from the iTunes store again. I used to, when there was a track that I couldn't get any other way. But ever since the Amazon MP3 store came out, with 256 VBR, non-DRM, all-MP3 songs at identical OR lower prices (I've bought a few albums there for .89 a song) there is literally zero point to look anywhere else.

Sayonara, iTS - you and your worthless genius feature that I unfortunately can't #$!#ing disable the prominent-yet-unremovable button for on my iTouch...
 
notjustjay said:
...it's not like Apple invented HDCP. It's not really their choice.
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socamx said:
Exactly.

Apple is pretty much forced into this because of greedy movie studios and such. ....
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You have this all wrong- Apple does DRM because they like it and they encourage it. I do not care what Jobs may say (I am very aware of his anti-DRM diatribes), I base this on what he DOES (which is much more telling).

First, the fanbois blame this on Apple doing it at the behest of the "greedy Studios". Last time I checked, Jobs was knee-deep in BEING one of those greedy studios himself. He's been a director at Disney for many years. PIXAR, anyone? If Jobs REALLY believed in no DRM, these studios would lead the way, not tow the line.

Apple iTunes Store was dragged kicking and screaming into no DRM music. Again, I do not care what Jobs says, I look at what Apple DOES. Seems to me that Amazon beat Apple to no-DRM downloads in their store. Amazon is higher bitrate to this day. And Amazon is cheaper across the board for non-DRM music.

This fantasy that Jobs/Apple is a proponent of no DRM is simply that- a fantasy. Any time they have done no DRM, they are late to the party, and more expensive (not that expensive is surprising from Apple). Jobs, from his positions at Disney and PIXAR is in a perfect position to blaze a train for non DRM movie releases, for no HCDCP required playback, for no macrovision. Ever see Jobs stand up at Disney and propose those ideas? No- because Jobs loves DRM. No, their actions show Apple LOVES DRM.
 
devman said:
This means (almost certainly) that I cannot watch HDCP content on my Apple cinema display.
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That would have always been the case.

I would hardly call it stealth, but more a matter of 'let the buyer beware', doing your research and planning ahead. Those who were following the BluRay/HD-DVD hooha should have known that the HDCP path would have to be extended to monitors. Quite a few displays have HDMI connectors these days; the Apple Cinema Display has been comparatively crippled for some time.
 
mmccaskill said:
So how does it deter piracy to deny playback on non-HDCP displays?
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Exactly, it has NOTHING to do with piracy.

**** Apple, this another greedy piece of **** company, that silently decided to lick the balls of the MPAA/RIAA-mob in Hollywood.

No way I'll ever buy this piece of ****, either for my family or for the company I work for.
 
Precisely

thechidz said:
and the MSification of apple continues
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Well, not precisely, but this is the real heart of the matter. Apple is getting bigger, and they are starting to freak out the big leaguers. When a company is small, it can get away with more, the bigger it gets the more bull$#!t it is going to have to put up with. Apple has broken through that barrier for better or worse, but if Steve still wants to put a ding in the universe, he ought to be more patient and put up a bigger fight against these giant media houses. Rolling over just once could be the end of it all.
 
MD5Hash said:
I'm never buying from the iTunes store again. I used to, when there was a track that I couldn't get any other way. But ever since the Amazon MP3 store came out, with 256 VBR, non-DRM, all-MP3 songs at identical OR lower prices (I've bought a few albums there for .89 a song) there is literally zero point to look anywhere else.

Sayonara, iTS - you and your worthless genius feature that I unfortunately can't #$!#ing disable the prominent-yet-unremovable button for on my iTouch...
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Agreed, the Amazon MP3 store beats iTunes because of its large DRM-free selection....
 
Spatz-tech has an HDMI stripper.

Antares said:
Rick Dikulus has come on stage. The HDCP show is starting.

Someone would just write software that would be able to strip the tagging.
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A hardware solution is what's needed, and it exists. I have old HDTV that I connect to an AppleTV from its DVI port to the AppleTV's HDMI port, so this is going to be a problem. The only hardware solution I can find so far is from Spatz-tech, but it's not available in the US. I'm going to keep looking. I'll be damned if I'll be forced to replace a perfectly good HDTV over this.
 
Sbrocket said:
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Oh, and I could easily get all the music I want for free off of <name-your-sharing-method-here>, but the $.99 songs off the iTunes store are priced low enough where I'd rather buy my music and support the artists than just download it for free. Your claim kind of falls apart there - given good products at reasonable prices that don't ridiculously restrict your usage of the product after you've already bought it, people WILL pay for media.
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+1

That's why I went back to iTMS when they introduced DMR-free songs. I like to pay for my Music and support the artist I love but not if I have to choose on which computer/device I want to play it. In that case, I rather buy the CD while they still around.
 
Morky said:
A hardware solution is what's needed, and it exists. I have old HDTV that I connect to an AppleTV from its DVI port to the AppleTV's HDMI port, so this is going to be a problem. The only hardware solution I can find so far is from Spatz-tech, but it's not available in the US. I'm going to keep looking. I'll be damned if I'll be forced to replace a perfectly good HDTV over this.
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Apparently they have a US dealer:

http://www.spatz-tech.com/holodealer.htm
 
fleshman03 said:
What do you mean go back?



It doesn't. In fact, it encourages it. If I spend money on content, I want to do whatever I want with it. No matter it be playing it on a projector or TV or Computer. If I paid for it, I will do what I want with it.

This is why people download illegally movies, CDs and software.
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And this is why HDCP is gonna fail, miserably. In fact, it's high time U.S. customers learn how to pressure their own "representatives" into reversing this ridiculously draconian DRM trend. Apple should be blamed for NOT communicating this to its customers, but in the end it's all about the criminal content owners and distributors who have put their own interests above the common good.

It appalls me to see how incredibly bad laws such as the DMCA have passed in the U.S., whereas most jurisdictions still allow for private use of media under fair use rights; in other words, land of the "free" my ASS.
 
kamm said:
Exactly, it has NOTHING to do with piracy.

**** Apple, this another greedy piece of **** company, that silently decided to lick the balls of the MPAA/RIAA-mob in Hollywood.

No way I'll ever buy this piece of ****, either for my family or for the company I work for.
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I'm sure your employer and family are very proud of you.
 
Morky said:
A hardware solution is what's needed, and it exists. I have old HDTV that I connect to an AppleTV from its DVI port to the AppleTV's HDMI port, so this is going to be a problem. The only hardware solution I can find so far is from Spatz-tech, but it's not available in the US. I'm going to keep looking. I'll be damned if I'll be forced to replace a perfectly good HDTV over this.
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http://www.hdfury.com/
 
I'm not sure I understand this fully.....

But let me give it a shot, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.....

If I buy a DVD, I can't play it on my new MacBook Pro and output the signal to my plasma TV?

But if I download an xvid copy of that same movie from Torrents'R'Us, I can play it AND output the signal wherever I want?

I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know if I understand this fully.
 
What is wrong with HDCP in the new laptops. It is great that it has it so now maybe there will be blueray drives in macs and when they do that I will upgrade right away. This is why digital downloads will not prevail for movies the best way is still physical media. This is why I skipped digital downloads for movies and went straight to Bluerays.
 
tveric said:
But let me give it a shot, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.....

If I buy a DVD, I can't play it on my new MacBook Pro and output the signal to my plasma TV?

But if I download an xvid copy of that same movie from Torrents'R'Us, I can play it AND output the signal wherever I want?

I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know if I understand this fully.
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DVDs don't have HDCP.
 
devman said:
First, I'm not getting into the debate about HDCP good or bad. It's required by the studios and is mandatory for blu-ray, etc.

What makes me really disappointed is that Apple did this by stealth. I have a 30" cinema display and new MBP15. This means (almost certainly) that I cannot watch HDCP content on my Apple cinema display. I can't test this of course as I'm still waiting for the mini-displayport dual-link DVI adapter to ship...

I was not aware of this, because Apple withheld all knowledge of it, when I purchased the new MBP (and the ITMS content for that matter).

I think it's shameful they have released new laptops that will not play certain content on existing apple displays without stating that is the case.

And the only option is to downgrade to a new 24" monitor...
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No, no no! You have options: Don't support HDCP-enabled content. Don't support DRM. You have plenty of options. If you want to watch HDCP-enabled content, you have to buy HDCP-compliant hardware. Is that so hard to understand? This isn't a choice, it's a technical fact (legal wranglings enforced in hardware). That's the way it works. Would you order an electric car and then complain that you can't use it with gasoline on long trips and that you were duped? Would you buy a motorcycle and then complain that they didn't tell you that you would get wet on rainy days?

I can understand your disappointment, but this is the world of DRM. It's not Apple, everyone is affected by this. Consumers either need to buy into a complete HDCP-compatible system, or know enough to know that they will run into problems.
 
AmbitiousLemon said:
The story here isn't that Apple's implementation of display port on the new mac laptops and hdmi on the AppleTV honor hdcp, since Apple has little choice over the matter, but rather that Apple is allowing media companies to use the HDCP flag on content in Apple's store. To make matters worse Apple is not warning customers that content purchased from their store is crippled in this way.
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That paragraph really explains things well.

On a side note, I am amazed by the sheer quantity people jumping to conclusion on this before really knowing exactly what HDCP is or does. It is as if Google was new technology or something!

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tveric said:
I meant a Blu-Ray DVD, sorry, thought that was obvious.

But wait, what was the guy in the article attempting to play?
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Huge honking iTunes dialog box in the first post.

Last time I checked Macs didn't ship with Blu-ray and most software decoders require HDCP on the Windows side. Not that it bothers me.

If you don't like DRM don't buy DRM'd products? I'll stick with deciding with my wallet.
 
This is the beginning of the Blu-Ray arrival, no doubt.

I estimate WWDC 2009, starting with the Mac Pro.. Apple is just using the run up to this to get all other hardware HDCP compliant, and to iron out the "bag of hurt" licensing / DRM crap.

It's unfortunate that the guy in the article couldn't watch his purchased media on a projector, but it has to start somewhere I guess. Much like if you try to record a DVD on to a VHS.. you get a scrambled image.

Most new monitors, TVs etc sold nowadays will be HDCP compliant, so it's going to sting initially for the people who haven't got the latest hardware on both ends :(
 
tveric said:
I meant a Blu-Ray DVD, sorry, thought that was obvious.

But wait, what was the guy in the article attempting to play?
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Well you can't play back a Blu-Ray DVD on your new MBP at least in OSX, so no it isn't obvious.
 
tveric said:
But let me give it a shot, and someone correct me if I'm wrong.....

If I buy a DVD, I can't play it on my new MacBook Pro and output the signal to my plasma TV?

But if I download an xvid copy of that same movie from Torrents'R'Us, I can play it AND output the signal wherever I want?

I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know if I understand this fully.
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Not quite. Right now, it seems that the only HDCP content is from iTunes. So, if you buy one of the HDCP enabled movies from iTunes, then you won't be able to output the signal to your TV, if you have one of the new MBPs. The next step with this is, presumably, that we'll get BluRay compatibility. Then you wouldn't be able to play back a BR disk, showing it on your TV. (All of this is assuming that your TV isn't HDCP enabled, BTW.)

The rub is that the HDCP content from iTunes WILL play on your TV if you're playing it from an older Mac. So the new release has removed some functionality from us.
 
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