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Apple Incorporates HDCP (Copy Protection) in New Laptops

When are the movie studios going to learn? Is this supposed to stop piracy or something? This just gives us yet one more reason to keep on pirating movies.

What's the point of paying for a movie from iTunes and not being able to play it on a display that we paid for on a laptop that we paid for? Tell me why we shouldn't just keep renting movies from Netflix and copy them for free? Someone please tell me.
 
spacepower7 said:
HDCP is not an "option" on set-top Blu-Ray players, it's required, even if it's your own home movies burned on a Blu-Ray disc. If you connect to a non-HDCP display, then your own home movies burned on a Blu-Ray with Toast will be output on a lower resolution signal.
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If true, I smell a class action lawsuit.

Phippster said:
I have never purchased Sony digital video cameras because they shutdown if they sense you are copying DRM content....even though you have the right to copy small portions for personal use. I don't buy Sony period! I'd hate to do the same with Apple but this is crazy that I wouldn't be allowed to use my home theatre projector to display movies that I purchased on iTunes. I will not purchase Apple products with this HDCP.
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I decided years ago to never buy Sony products. After the debacle with their music CDs and lobbying in the US Congress for draconian DRM. Sony may have good quality equipment but is actively seeking to destroy fair use rights.

I even go to the extent to explain my distaste for Sony when some poor sales person recommends Sony to me, I know they don't care and I bore them to tears, but Sony pisses me off no end.
 
Radio Monk33 said:
Frankly, I'm amazed this thread has gone to 5 pages without someone trying to defend them, that you should be happy that Apple has taken away options to make life easier for us mere mortals..
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OK. I'll defend this.

By doing this, Apple has positioned itself to incorporate BR into its devices. By taking this away, Apple makes it possible to eventually release what I have been waiting for - a Mac Mini with a BR drive. They produce, I buy.

Thank you Apple.

If it weren't for the proliferation of laptops as desktop replacement, I could see Apple limiting BR drives (and thus HDCP compliance) to their desktops. But, with the use of laptops as desktops and the specs of the MBP, Apple had to find a compromise. But, they will take care of this soon enough. Probably let you adjust the resolution down to deactivate HDCP.
 
calm down

It's not up to Apple whether or not HDCP exists as part of HD content. It's not their fault. It would be stupid if Apple didn't make their hardware comply so you could play this stuff. They MUST support HDCP - finally.
That said, HDCP isn't required in the content for the content to play. Just that if the content has HDCP, you must have HDCP compliant hardware. If you have HDCP content on the hard drive and you want to watch it on an external monitor, that monitor must be HDCP compliant - which the new Cinema Display is and shipping now. If you want to use a Dell or other, just get one with DisplayPort input.
 
illegallydead said:
No you don't. The Mac Mini is still DVI-based, meaning it does not have HDCP restrictions. You are fine to play whatever you want on whatever you want.

I am definitely glad I have one of the older Macs. DRM of any form is terrible, and only keeps honest users from accessing their media. It does VERY LITTLE to deter pirates, as we (I mean they :D) will always find a way around it.

I guess this is just one more reason to stay with ripping DVDs instead of iTunes. Also, as there is little appreciable difference to my eyes between Component video and HDMI (both can carry 1080p), if I am ever confronted with wanting to rip Blu-Ray, I can always record off of that!
Viva la Revolution! (or something like that :D)
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The Mac Mini may not have HDCP restrictions but there is no reason that it cannot have. Many DVI displays (mine included) are HDCP compliant. The first that I saw was the Dell 2007 (my 2005 was not, but my son's 2007 was HDCP compliant).
 
nbs2 said:
OK. I'll defend this.

By doing this, Apple has positioned itself to incorporate BR into its devices.
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8CoreWhore said:
It's not up to Apple whether or not HDCP exists as part of HD content. It's not their fault. It would be stupid if Apple didn't make their hardware comply so you could play this stuff. They MUST support HDCP - finally.
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While I agree that Apple needs to support HDCP in their hardware there is absolutely no reason Apple needs to use the HDCP flag themselves on content in the iTunes store (which is already DRM protected with Fairplay). Further, it is also disappointing that Apple has chosen to employ this extra layer of DRM for content in their store without letting the customer know. The iTunes store has previously only used Fairplay DRM and informed the customer of the limitations that this DRM created. Apple is not being equally forth coming about HDCP flagged media in their store. This means that random titles that have been flagged by HDCP will suddenly stop working for people with these new computers.
 
krye said:
When are the movie studios going to learn? Is this supposed to stop piracy or something? This just gives us yet one more reason to keep on pirating movies.

What's the point of paying for a movie from iTunes and not being able to play it on a display that we paid for on a laptop that we paid for? Tell me why we shouldn't just keep renting movies from Netflix and copy them for free? Someone please tell me.
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Is it illegal to copy a rented movie?
 
Apple has lost sight of its professional market

This will greatly impact what I do for a living. As I often hook up multiple projectors through VGA Distribution amplifiers, as well as often using Triple head to-gos to expand the multitude of external screen control. That is the only way to really control and sync multiple projectors together for live performance design. How can I do this with no analog support? I am always quick to upgrade to gain the speed benefits of faster mobile graphics cards and processors. I could care less about how many lame movies apple sells on itunes. What about those of us who buy the "professional" grade machines because we want to use them as top of the line computers...not mere media players for our home? Also I do a good amount of 3D computer drafting and previzing for my shows on a 30" display at home...I am not down grading to some DRM'd 24" with lower resolution because apple dropped support for a standard non DRM'd full size DVI port. They have truly lost sight of what a good functional computer ought to be able to provide its end users. I cannot even begin to express my disappointment as a creative professional.
 
We should be asking Apple to label any movie in the ITS that has the HDCP flag set and for the new machines to play the content out of non HDCP compliant ports at the allowable reduced resolution. This would allow people to vote with their money and not support those with the flag set.
 
Many posters here do not seem to understand that this is for DRM content only, you will still be able to go from DisplayPort to a VGA projector for instance and do a PowerPoint, your home movies or whatever.

Its the DRM content that is the issue correct?
 
Tampa Tom said:
Flame me if you will, but I often stop by the Bay where the Pirates hang out and grab a divix copy of a movie for "critical previewing and reviewing" and convert it to a MP4 and send it to my Apple TV.

If my DVR messes up and misses an episode of a new TV show I don't worry since I can get it 45 min after the show has finished.

The system (selling movies/shows/music over the internet) is broken. Even though I spend $20 a month on iTunes for music and an occasional movie, I hate to do so

I would gladly pay $50 a month for access to all this content that I will view ONCE (maybe twice if it is a good movie)

In the meantime I put on my eye patch, hoist the Jolly Roger and yell ARRRRRGGGGG!
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I'll refrain from flaming you, but I think that you have two options.

1) Check out Hulu.com. They have a lot of content from TV at the same time as iTunes. Of course you do have to put up with a few commercials...

2) Get a Netflix account. They now have almost all the same content as Hulu.com available for instant view, but you don't have to watch any commercials. Plus, you don't have to pay $50 per month, but can get it for as low as $10 per month.
 
iMac

Is HDCP supported on the internal Display?

What about the iMacs? Do they support HDCP on their internal/external Displays?
 
SimonTheSoundMa said:
Why has old news made the front page. Has Mac Rumours really got that bad?

The old 8600M GT on the previous generation MacBook Pro machines has HDCP.
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But the old MBP doesn't care how you connect it to your TV/Projector. You can connect with a freakin' composite video cable and it'll play...
 
Hard to tell if the internal display is HDCP compliant.

You can verify if it is in use on some TV's, for example my Fujitsu Plasmavision will say "HDCP Authenticated". If I could get a 9mm BD drive for my MacBook Pro and install Windows I'm sure HD movies would play fine as the graphic processor supports HDCP.

I have yet to come across HDCP in use on a Macintosh, it can be used on Mac Pro with a Blu-ray player in Windows. The Blu-ray player will talk directly to the hardware it is connected to, the OS needs no involvement.
 
fleshman03 said:
Could you think of a better reason to pirate/dvd rip?
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Absolutely! Let's say you're going on a trip - do you really want to lug around a dozen DVD's or more? I mean, I think we need laptop HD's to get up to the 1/2 TB size before we can really think about putting ALL our movies on them but it's still a much better option than lugging around DVDs and risk 1) losing them or 2) ruining them. That and it's far less of a hassle to decide which movies to take when you can just take your laptop and have all of them :)
 
chachster said:
Well, if he were able to switch the 360 to component it would not be an issue as component is analog and not digital.

From what I have heard HDCP only applies to digital, not analog.
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I wonder if Apple has plans for a DisplayPort to Component adapter? This should allow output to projectors and such, since it takes the analog route
 
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