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Honestly I don't care about AI on my phone. I really don't see the use case for my private phone. On my work phone, I could see it helping but not that much as I would still need to read most of the mails myself as I would not be able to trust the AI not letting something slip.

But I still can't get over the presentation apple did when they showed, how AI can help formulate a nice long mail just for the AI on the other phone to summarize it again. o_O🤣
Not interested in apple intelligence on iOS, but I'm SUPER interested in Apple Intelligence on macOS.

I feel it's much more useful, in that enviromment.
 
I don't understand this post. Is this about languages or countries? It says not available in the EU but also says will be available in Germany, France, Spain, Italy...
Agreed. I think at the end they might have got confused at the end and started equating countries and languages. French, German, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish are all natively spoken in countries outside of the EU (Switzerland alone ticks off 3 of those as official languages - French, German and Italian) then add various countries in South America for Portuguese and Spanish and you don't need to go anywhere in the EU to find all of those languages widely spoken somewhere.
 
Since you're not a multinational company, you're not beholden to the DMA - so innovate as much as you like, omenatarhuri 👍
Thanks for the encouragement. But as a citizen of the EU it's genuinely concerning megacorps would rather keep the cool stuff out of the EU than try to comply.

It's also stifling for EU grown tech, as you have to watch out for this stuff all the time in comparison to markets with more freedom and less fear of fines.
 
I am not Austrian, but always confuses me when Apple adds support for German language for Germany but not for German language for Austria. Last example was Vision Pro and now again. How is that different than supporting various US English accents?
 
American prices are without sales tax, you need to at least deduct VAT from EU price before doing comparisons.
That is correct after removing the 20% (most of European countries), a new 16 Pro is also 999€ which is about $1112. So yes we pay more even without the VAT.
 
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While I agree that the text they wrote is to generic and just tries to catch everything and everyone at the same time, I can see that capitalism would on the other hand completely kill any other service other then the one provided by the gatekeeper.
Imagine Apple just killing all music apps like spotify and you would be forced to pay 30% more just to use apple music because only that one works. (And also to everybody hating on the EU I suggest you read some articles about the the Apple Antitrust Lawsuit from the US Department of Justice ;))
Trust us, we've read the DoJ suit. It's laughably weak and well outside both the letter and spirit of US anti-trust laws. Would not be shocked if almost all of it is thrown out.
 
Isn't the title a little misleading? Language support is nice and all, but due to what you described in the last sentence, Apple Intelligence still won't come to some EU countries (as of now).
This doesn't quite add up.

Why are these EU countries getting Apple Intelligence if the DMA prevents Apple from launching it in the EU altogether?

Countries like Germany and Italy are no less EU countries than any of the ones not on this list of countries that will get Apple Intelligence in a near future.

What am I missing?
 
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This doesn't quite add up.

Why are these EU countries getting Apple Intelligence if the DMA prevents Apple from launching it in the EU altogether?

Countries like Germany and Italy are no less EU countries than any of the ones not on this list of countries that will get Apple Intelligence in a near future.

What am I missing?
The DMA doesn't apply to Macs. So they are getting Apple Intelligence on the Mac, but not iOS or iPadOS.
 
Thanks for the encouragement. But as a citizen of the EU it's genuinely concerning megacorps would rather keep the cool stuff out of the EU than try to comply.

It's also stifling for EU grown tech, as you have to watch out for this stuff all the time in comparison to markets with more freedom and less fear of fines.

If your plans are to become a megacorp, then that is bad news, yeah.
 
As a German Lawyer I can confirm that the DSA doesn't make it impossible for Apple to offer AI on their phones in the EU, otherwise ChatGPT wouldn't be available either. It is more that Apple does not like the DSA in other places where it does in fact have a Gatekeeper position (e.g. App Store), and DSA truly is a mess. So as Apple Intelligence is not ready in any of the spoken official languages in the EU, it's a good excuse for them for being late to the AI-Game.
 
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This doesn't quite add up.

Why are these EU countries getting Apple Intelligence if the DMA prevents Apple from launching it in the EU altogether?

Countries like Germany and Italy are no less EU countries than any of the ones not on this list of countries that will get Apple Intelligence in a near future.

What am I missing?
Badly written article. The whole article talks about iOS, but in one closing sentence they talk about silicon based macs.
 
As a German Lawyer I can confirm that the DSA doesn't make it impossible for Apple to offer AI on their phones in the EU, otherwise ChatGPT wouldn't be available either. It is more that Apple does not like the DSA in other places where it does in fact have a Gatekeeper position (e.g. App Store), and DSA truly is a mess. So as Apple Intelligence is not ready in any of the spoken official languages in the EU, it's a good excuse for them for being late to the AI-Game.
You don't even need to be a lawyer for it. I mean if it integrates on macOS just fine which also has an AppStore it makes no sense to not release it on the phones as well.
 
You don't even need to be a lawyer for it. I mean if it integrates on macOS just fine which also has an AppStore it makes no sense to not release it on the phones as well.
The Digital Markets Act doesn't apply to MacOS. That is why Apple Intelligence is allowed on MacOS but not iOS/iPadOS.
 
This will likely hit the EU in spring 2025. Contrary to what some are claiming, Apple never said it wouldn't come to the EU at all - just not in 2024. Part of the delay is due to language localization; they can't even sort out other English versions until December. Apple felt pressured to showcase something at WWDC, but I suspect they'd have preferred another year of development. As it stands, it's far from a finished product.
 
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Brazil also speaks Portuguese and Apple does not specify if the Apple Intelligence will be available in both countries.
 
That is correct after removing the 20% (most of European countries), a new 16 Pro is also 999€ which is about $1112. So yes we pay more even without the VAT.

And then you need to take into consideration difference in custom duties and that Apple "fixes" exchange rates/inflation for coming year as they usually don't change prices until next September. So actual difference is not so big, we just pay more taxes.

Edit: And if you go to shop in States, you will pay 999$+sales tax, so depending on state it can be 999$ but can be 1100$, at least from what I remember :)
 
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The DMA is a red herring in this context.
In what way? Apple literally said "we can't offer Apple Intelligence in the EU because of the DMA" and now they are announcing it that it will work in the EU on the one Apple Intelligence capable platform that the DMA doesn't apply to. Seems like it's right on the money.
 
In what way? Apple literally said "we can't offer Apple Intelligence in the EU because of the DMA" and now they are announcing it that it will work in the EU on the one Apple Intelligence capable platform that the DMA doesn't apply to. Seems like it's right on the money.
It is a political play, where some politicians have made statements already about it. Yet, as a developer, the API's are open and you can integrate it. There is a powerplay in the works. As a user you can circumvent it if it works like it did in the Beta's...
 
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Where is the Portugal Portuguese information is coming from? Apple haven't specified it and Siri actually only supports Brazilian Portuguese so it's pretty safe to assume Brazilian Portuguese will come first.
 
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It is a political play, where some politicians have made statements already about it. Yet, as a developer, the API's are open and you can integrate it. There is a powerplay in the works. As a user you can circumvent it if it works like it did in the Beta's...
We'll see. I don't think there is any world where Apple releases Apple Intelligence on iPhone and iPad without agreement from the EU that they won't have to open it up to third parties (or perhaps some sort of compromise where certain parts are opened up but not everything). Would love to be wrong though.
 
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