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Apple Intelligence Features Not Coming to European Union at Launch Due to DMA
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This is the thing the competition doesn’t want to admit: Apple’s customer base is their crown jewel. Through years of careful work they’ve built a user base that *trusts* the platform and important to businesses *this user base, per user, is the most valuable in the tech industry* because they actually spend money on software and services.
Companies like Spotify bitch and whine because they want unfettered access to that curated user base, free of charge.
Actually, the market has worked quite well in this sector. We can verify this by looking at how many large players have come and gone. Blackberry. Nokia. Ericsson. Sony. LG. China has some large smart phone manufacturers as well. Apple didn't even start making phones until 2007. Google's first Pixel came out in 2016.
This year, you can get phones from (at least) Apple, Google, ASUS, OnePlus, TracFone, Motorola, and who knows who else.
People don't have some fundamental right to a...smart phone?
The privacy concerns are that the EU will want Apple to open it up, share it. Share != Privacy
Sorry, I don’t know what you are trying to say?🤷♂️ I wrote “closed, tight oligopoly” so yeah... it's obviously not a monopoly. Are you confusing me with someone else?
Who the **** asked for “competing wallets”? We’ll all see the banks pull out of Wallet integration to move into their own app sooner rather than later.
Regarding GDPR, read my post again regarding the semantic use of your data. You absolutely do not get that (I’m involved in Compliance discussions at my own job) data.
I mostly think it’s funny that Europe is so hard on Apple but seems to happily hand the keys to Meta/Facebook for all of their messaging. How Meta of all companies earned their undying trust I’ll never understand.
This is the governing body that is rebranding CSAM as “upload moderation” and pushing for it right now. The EU (and US) absolutely do NOT want privacy to be a real thing in this world.
Think…intelligence agencies and alliances and you’ll have your answer. That’s what FB has been since literally day 1. A glorified and barely disguised spinoff from DARPA. The same applies to Google, their search technology stemmed directly from a different DARPA project for sifting through digitized data more effectively.
I think you have the right to most of it though. Obviously minus the data of other users. You would have to go to court over it though, which for most normal users is not really worth it. Most compmanies know this and will therefore only provide the bare minimum.
Sorry for not being clear enough. I was talking about the mobile operating system market (mainly Android, its derivatives and iOS).
That was the Belgian government in the EU Council, to get the member states to agree on a position for the talks with EU Commission and Parliament.
Completely agree with you there. It's a shame this initiative is still being worked on.
But remember. Apple almost introduced this in iOS and macOS, without any pressure from legislators.
it brings me joy to see EU supporters shooting themselves in the foot.
So it’s privacy *theater*, thank you. Just like the DMA is regulatory *theater*.
People seem to forget that that these companies and the governments are having closed door conversations all the time. There is clearly something EU doesn't like about both of these things that will cause some issues for Apple. Probably the fact Apple Intelligence is Apple and only available on Apple Devices. where both Microsoft and Google provide their AI on other platforms and allow other AI to integrate with their platforms. Apple would probably have to open that up (or at least make API to allow integration for it, hence the "not right away" availability).
And the only difference between mirroring and being able to interact with a device, a device that can remained locked, and be unlocked remotely, is a HUGE difference. Image if Apple had to allow Microsoft to be able to control iPhone remotely in the same way in the EU, with Microsoft Recall, where they screenshot everything on your desktop???
Oh I remember, and it still pisses me off.
That said, Apple is taking a completely different course when it comes to security *architecture* at this point. You can see in their designs they are walking the walk when it comes to the designs of their systems (PCC being a great example). The legal loopholes for iCloud data are slowly but surely being plugged at the engineering level. I think the spat with the FBI’s nonsense about “backdoors for the good guys” really broke the camel’s back at Apple. They saw how willingly their own country’s government was willing to blatantly lie about technological matters so their engineering design since then has been firmly “we can’t hand over this data because we can’t see it ourselves”. Note how much WWDC *harped* on accountability and being able to confirm/prove their claims.
Apple is the only tech company that has an honest to god ability to separate itself from your data, because your data is not their business model. The rest of Silicon Valley literally isn’t built that way in their business models.
That is why iMessage wasn't classified as a gatekeeper, while WhatsApp is classified as one.
Is Apple treating certain developers different than others? As far as I can tell, they treat all software vendors using the same App Store policy. If developers do not like those terms, they can develop software for Android, or Windows, or Xbox, or Mac, or get at job at SAP, or start their very own computer company, in a garage, like Steve and Woz did way back in 1976.
You make it seem like these very intelligent folks have no options in this entire world but to develop software that runs on a single, specific mobile operating system.
If iOS did not exist, would they not have jobs?
And actually I predicted this would happen. Apple (and other companies) are going to delay or block features and products because of the DMA. It's not giving more choice, it's giving less choice or even no choice.