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Apple Introduces 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display
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Still have no regrets that I bought a mid-2012 i7 Macbook Air, I can't see the point of the 13"rMBP, it doesn't have the discrete graphics or CPU horsepower of the 15" rMBP, and is chunkier, weights more and is more expensive than a 2GHz i7 Macbook Air with the same RAM and SSD...
Overpriced and Underwhelming
Way overpriced and for those asking ... it would be a far better deal to get a maxed out MBA 13" with the 256GB Drive and 8GB Ram.
I was hoping for a logical upgrade from Apple on this but wow ... so underwhelming.
My current computer: Macbook Pro 2011 13" w/ 16GB Ram & 256GB SSD --> Total Price invested: $1550.
This new rMBP 13" should have included a discrete GPU and 256GB and started at $1599.
Way overpriced and for those asking ... it would be a far better deal to get a maxed out MBA 13" with the 256GB Drive and 8GB Ram.
I was hoping for a logical upgrade from Apple on this but wow ... so underwhelming.
My current computer: Macbook Pro 2011 13" w/ 16GB Ram & 256GB SSD --> Total Price invested: $1550.
This new rMBP 13" should have included a discrete GPU and 256GB and started at $1599.
- No dedicated graphics
- Well equipped costs MORE than a similar 15" and that is a vastly superior computer - you get a LOT of performance and screen real estate for that extra pound
I'm out.
On my way to the Apple store to buy a 15" rMBP. I was REALLY hoping the rumors were wrong, and it would have a discreet graphics card, but as usual, Apple hates gamers (even us casuals who just like the option of playing on our work machines.. I would have been happy with a damn GT620M!!!)
- Well equipped costs MORE than a similar 15" and that is a vastly superior computer - you get a LOT of performance and screen real estate for that extra pound
I'm out.
On my way to the Apple store to buy a 15" rMBP. I was REALLY hoping the rumors were wrong, and it would have a discreet graphics card, but as usual, Apple hates gamers (even us casuals who just like the option of playing on our work machines.. I would have been happy with a damn GT620M!!!)
Man, I really wanted this laptop. I have a buyer for my 2011 MBA. I'd pay the $1699 if it came with 256SSD. Maybe even $1799. Not $1999- at that point I might as well get the 15" which doesn't seem as overpriced anymore. The 13" rMBP pricing is just greedy and a smack in the face to customers. The Apple is loosing its shine...
I have the 13" MBA with those exact specs. I was really frustrated that I needed a computer and couldn't afford to wait for the 13" rMBP. Now that I see the specs for rMBP, I'm glad I purchased an Air. Although the display on the air is nothing special, performance-wise I love it (even when I push it to the point where it struggles). And the performance-to-weight still impresses me on a daily basis.
I think it will be a wise idea to wait for next year's 13" rMBP. That's what I'm planning on doing.
Exactly this is totally nuts, I really have no idea who their ideal customer is for the 13" rMBP. Also in UK there is a £400 / $600 premium over US prices!!!
Just checked on skyscanner - can get a return flight to US from UK / Ireland for less than the difference. I'm seriously considering flying out to buy a 15" rMBP.
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Then why isn't it in the iMacs?
That doesn't mean the Intel HD 4000 isn't "adequate". The point is, people keep insisting it's incapable of powering the "Retina" display which has no more pixels than the now 5-6 years old 30" ACD that a 2008 MacBook 13" could power.
That's what the poster meant : people really don't know how much graphics power is sitting there in the Intel HD 4000. Yes, compared to current ATI/nVidia offering, it's complete crap, but for the needs filed by the 13" MacBook line-up, it's perfectly adequate.
they shouldnt call it a pro with integrated graphics card. i feel like they should have been able to fit one in the 13" - competitors do. and we're talking about apple they have the top of the industry working for them. you cant put a graphics card in your "pro" laptop?
I think the whole retina display thing is a fail. macbook air is a much better way to go.
I think the whole retina display thing is a fail. macbook air is a much better way to go.
No surprises. Not a single one.
And for those of you sweating about the Intel HD 4000 not being able to power this sucker, remember that the 13" non-Retina MacBook Pro can drive its own 1280x800 display PLUS a 27" Thunderbolt display, which combined is more pixels. than this thing has alone. Any issues with performance are software and drivers issues at this point.
And for those of you sweating about the Intel HD 4000 not being able to power this sucker, remember that the 13" non-Retina MacBook Pro can drive its own 1280x800 display PLUS a 27" Thunderbolt display, which combined is more pixels. than this thing has alone. Any issues with performance are software and drivers issues at this point.
Indeed. Just go check on YouTube for plenty of fairly decent gameplay videos running on i7 / HD4000 combos. Good enough for me, don't really care much about games (hey if WoW runs, I'm good to go). Only concern for me is the disk size - I have to make a choice between 256gb SSD or the 2.9ghz i7... I chose speed over space. I have a MacPro at home that I use for filestore (several Tb of disks) and most of my stuff sits in various clouds these days. I currently have a 15" MBP (2008) which I love, but after being given a 13" 2011 MBP at my day job, I prefer the portability and weight of the smaller form factor.
A series of compromises, really. It'll be great for some folks but not all.
And that is... if your creditcard survives the blow.
Exactly. People don't realize that Intel 4000 is actually a fairly decent GPU, and it can power the 13 rMBP just fine. It can also power the 15 rMBP fine, and the 13 has a million less pixels.
I'm excited for the 13 rMBP.
I bought a previous generation 13" MBP just a few months ago, replacing my 2008 original unibody 13" MBP. My previous machine, now 4 years old, was the only 13" MBP unibody to have a discrete graphics card. After my "upgrade", I noticed hardly any improvement in the rendering abilities of the only game I play, Civ V. Sure the faster CPU made turns go faster as the AI made its moves, but I'm shocked out how a 4 year old machine can keep up with these Intel Graphics cards.
As with others, I had really hoped the rMBP would include dedicated graphics. There's absolutely no way the 13" rMBP is going to be able to power Civ V in an enjoyable way (that's why there aren't any numbers/benchmarks in the "Gaming" section of http://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/performance-retina/). I think the screenshot of Civ V there is probably because it's the *only* game it can even power in a 1/2 playable way at full resolution.
Anyway, I bought my current machine to speed up work (i7 vs. Core 2 Duo), and it succeeds at that. With the rMBP still crippled with integrated graphics, these machines are going to be slower than the previous revision MBP.
Apple getting so cheap lately: 1700 for 128gb SSD, I had 128gb SSD in my laptop in 2009 and I thought it was the LOW END.
That's just sad. Gip your dumb customers with the new iPad, iPods, iPhones and make your pro customers actually like your offerings.
I'd wait 2 years till Apple comes to their senses and upgrade it with HD6000
That's just sad. Gip your dumb customers with the new iPad, iPods, iPhones and make your pro customers actually like your offerings.
I'd wait 2 years till Apple comes to their senses and upgrade it with HD6000
The machine itself is awesome, the resolution is incredible for a 13" inch... i would buy one of them but i also play games quite often and even if HD4000 is impressive as an integrated gfx chip.. it can't come closer to 650M of rMBP15".
Still i see the value of this one.
MacBook Air is the new base model (MacBook white) the pro is again pro... but for a pro machine i want a dedicated gfx card.
Still i see the value of this one.
MacBook Air is the new base model (MacBook white) the pro is again pro... but for a pro machine i want a dedicated gfx card.
No such 13" MBP was ever made.
The 9400m nVidia part you're talking about, integrated graphics used in the first Unibody MacBooks, couldn't keep up with the Sandy Bridge HD 3000, much less the Ivy Bridge 4000.