Apple Introduces 24" LED Cinema Display with Built-in iSight

[awesomebase]

Sorry, but you have your panels mixed up. IPS panels are generally considered superior panels to PVA or TN panels. Again, I guess we don't know what type of panel this is, but one would assume that it's the same as the 24" iMac

Yes, I did have them mixed up -- I'll blame it on a long day of work and distraction, but thanks for catching that! I'm hoping that it is the better IPS panel, but I can't seem to find that info at Apple's site.
The Samsung 275T+ is looking like a better option if one already has systems that don't have the new mini display port. The only problem is that it has been stuck at about $1000 for the past 8 months or so (also as the 275T). Once we get more detailed specs, we'll know more about Apple's color gamut and such.
Still, glossy screens bug me to no end. I know some comments were that "most" or something like "90%" of people prefer them, but I don't know even 1 person that does yet. Some may not be bothered by it either way, but most people choose a matte finish when you put both the matte and glossy options next to each other.

 

[takao]

http://forums.macresource.com/read/1/582625

DisplayPort is a digital display interface standard (approved May 2006, current version 1.1 approved on April 2, 2007) put forth by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA). It defines a new license-free, royalty-free, digital audio/video interconnect, intended to be used primarily between a computer and its display monitor, or a computer and a home-theater system.

posting that doesn't make apple's _MINI_ Displayport any less proprietary...

you know kinda like micro-dvi or mini dvi

 

[MrPDaddyHimself]

Anyone know why they are marketing the new laptops and monitors to professionals? I mean Pro stands for professionals right? And most professionals wouldn't use a Glossy Monitor right? How many professional users will actually buy the new glossy glass laptops or monitors? I'm confused. Somebody please turn on the light so I can find my way back to my Mac Pro.

 

[tmoney468]

^Well the new monitor states that it's made specifically for the Macbook, which leads me to believe it isn't a "Pro" monitor, but rather consumer grade. Whatever that means

 

[buyusfear]

Anyone know why they are marketing the new laptops and monitors to professionals? I mean Pro stands for professionals right? And most professionals wouldn't use a Glossy Monitor right? How many professional users will actually buy the new glossy glass laptops or monitors? I'm confused. Somebody please turn on the light so I can find my way back to my Mac Pro.

Has Anyone ever EVER EVER EVER used a GLASS GLOSSY screen notebook????? Do they exist?

They do as plastic glossy on other PC laptops, and previous macbooks and MBP's, and yes do look bad. Much different, at least with the Imacs, don't know why, it just is.




I'm pretty sure Apple knows what and why they do what they do.

I was sceptical about the 24'' GLASS GLOSSY iMac before I bought it.

I now know I was WRONG Apple was RIGHT.

 

[tgildred]

I agree, perfect comment and it extends to the failure that is the MBP. I knew that it was going the consumer route, but Apple went far beyond anything I could have seen.

It's really a step backward on the Pro side in my honest opinion.

Agreed. The Q&A session seemed telling to me as well. Well, we'll see what happens over the course of the next year.

 

[Jtuner77]

Forget this, I just ordered 2 2408WFP's from Dell, they are HDCP compatible, 1920x1200 resolution, 3000:1 contrast and will support HD content so I can run windows on my machine and watch, record and burn BR's with my LG drive....

I am sorry but i may be jumping the gun about this Mini DisplayPort but even the specs state it is not HDCP compatible which really sucks if Apple plans on releasing any BR drives, cause at this point you couldn't even use the NEW screen they just released with real HD movies, even if OSX comes out with BR support.

Oh and here is the best part, it's had a DisplayPort Cable and Port!!!!!

and it has a 9in2 card reader with 4 usb ports per monitor, haha.

I will be using this screen mostly for basic use, some video editing(very small amount), photoshop work and my running of my webstore and web design work.

 

[Xer0dIn]

That's going the wrong way - it will let you connect the new laptops to an old screen, not the other way around...

I’ve mentioned this already in a post earlier from looking at pictures of the engadget 24” display. Here is the link for the 360 view of the monitor from apple. Notice that the bottom plug is missing. Hopefully a connection for older Apple computers/non apple computers with dvi will be coming soon.

engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/apple-24-inch-cinema-display-hands-on/1097301/

Apple:
http://www.apple.com/displays/gallery/360/

 

[mcgomer]

What about us developers?

Anyone know why they are marketing the new laptops and monitors to professionals? I mean Pro stands for professionals right? And most professionals wouldn't use a Glossy Monitor right? How many professional users will actually buy the new glossy glass laptops or monitors? I'm confused. Somebody please turn on the light so I can find my way back to my Mac Pro.

It depends on your definition of professional. I code for a living. I dont edit video's, pictures, or any of the things that require accurate color. I dont mix recordings, so I dont care about the accuracy of the speakers, or the audio outs and such. I have no firewire requirements. I dont game.

I care about the guts of the machine, how fast is its cpu, its ability to bootcamp ( I do lots of .net coding, so its ability to boot into windows is huge for me ), the speed of the drives, the ability to easily replace the hard drives, the life of the battery, how much memory it has. I also care about its portability. If it was a higher res display, I would be happier, but I can live with the resolution as is. I like displayport ( dont like the non standard _MINI_ port though ) and will use with on several monitors I already have.

I make money using the machine as a develoment system. Am I a professional in your eyes?

While I am a minority in the vast sea of users of Apple laptops, I feel as if I am a segment of the "pro" market. And yes I have other systems that I use for development too, but this machine addresses my needs while away from my desktops.

I in no way would suggest the tools you should use to do your job, and it sucks if the tools that you need just took a dump on you. I would be livid too.

Just my opinion.

 

[tmoney468]

Forget this, I just ordered 2 2408WFP's from Dell, they are HDCP compatible, 1920x1200 resolution, 3000:1 contrast and will support HD content so I can run windows on my machine and watch, record and burn BR's with my LG drive....

I am sorry but i may be jumping the gun about this Mini DisplayPort but even the specs state it is not HDCP compatible which really sucks if Apple plans on releasing any BR drives, cause at this point you couldn't even use the NEW screen they just released with real HD movies, even if OSX comes out with BR support.

Oh and here is the best part, it's had a DisplayPort Cable and Port!!!!!

and it has a 9in2 card reader with 4 usb ports per monitor, haha.

I will be using this screen mostly for basic use, some video editing(very small amount), photoshop work and my running of my webstore and web design work.

You are correct that it doesn't support HDCP, but it has it's own form of copy protection:

DisplayPort includes optional DPCP (DisplayPort Content Protection) copy-protection from AMD, which uses 128-bit AES encryption, with modern cryptography ciphers. It also features full authentication and session key establishment (each encryption session is independent). There is an independent revocation system. This portion of the standard is licensed separately. It also adds support for verifying the proximity of the receiver and transmitter, a technique intended to ensure users are not bypassing content protection system to send data out to distant, unauthorized users.

DisplayPort is a competitor to the HDMI connector (with HDCP copy-protection), the de facto digital connection for high-definition consumer electronics devices.

And BTW, I've been looking at the 2408WFP, but after reading all of the horror stories over at Hardforums about the monitor, I decided to wait. It's wide-gamut, has horrible color-accuracy, and has a pretty high input lag. Also, it's an S-PVA screen, which is another turn off.

 

[dbruce]

I have not read all the posts here there are just too many, so this might have already been discussed but I just had a online chat with someone at the apple online store, as I bought a 23" cinema display a few months back and am now considering selling it,

the new LED Cinema,

- Can be colour calibrated

- Isn't compatible with my 2008 MacBook Pro, ( so i assume it isn't compatible with big 2008 Mac Pros etc also)

- They didn't know what type of panel was inside it, IPL PVA etc,

To me it looks allot more like a consumer display, apple focusing more on the profitable iphone, ipod type market and less on the Pro user, maybe apple will release a new range for the pros, or I had another theory that they have just given up all together and like the promise raid Xsan setup will just recommend Eizo/Nec displays for building pro Apple systems,

btw - the old displays are still available to buy from apple, not sure how long for though,


-d

 

[BJNY]

Does anyone know if the LEDs are white or RGB (as in HP's 24" DreamColor display)?

 

[huntaaar]

Open mouth. Insert foot.
http://www.etech4sale.com/412430/dell-ultrasharp-2407wfp-black-24.html

HA SERVED!

this all looks wank, think ill make a Hac

 

[Umbongo]

Does anyone know if the LEDs are white or RGB (as in HP's 24" DreamColor display)?

I would think it is RGB. I think all desktop backlit LED displays will be and currently are.

 

[cromwell64]

HA SERVED!

this all looks wank, think ill make a Hac

maybe you should read a little closer. for one, that display is more than a year old (the current model is the 2408wfp). two, it is refurbished. three, it is not an led display and does not have built in speakers, webcam, and microphone.

i don't understand why people are so pissed about this new display. if you don't like it, don't buy it. it isn't like apple owes you anything or is required to cater to everyones individual needs, which is impossible.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Agreed. The Q&A session seemed telling to me as well. Well, we'll see what happens over the course of the next year.

The next few years will show me whether or not Microsoft and the PC makers have learned a few things by being behind the curve on the design front. People are still going to buy Macs since they are nice looking machines first and foremost.

I hope that they at least adopt larger trackpads since I have found it quite hard to use many PCs (especially 17" models) with their puny track pads.

On the MS front, I really hope Windows Mobile 7 and Windows 7 (or whatever) come close or even pull ahead of Mac OS X and Mac OS X Mini.

i don't understand why people are so pissed about this new display. if you don't like it, don't buy it. it isn't like apple owes you anything or is required to cater to everyones individual needs, which is impossible.

Same here. I have no issue with the less costly displays, but people need to stop comparing them to the ACDs and other IPS panels. They don't do any other display shopping save for what they can Google about Dell and HP.

The new Cinema is quite nice and would be a welcomed investment for any new MB or MBP owner. It is however somewhat costly for most consumers. I however, am holding out for new Pro displays with H-IPS and FW800 ports on the back.

 

[Mebsat]

Just wait till the MacPro revision when they only support video cards with mini-DisplayPort. Want our computer? Buy our monitor, hope you like glossy...mwa-ha-ha-ha.

Seriously,

Until the entire ACD line is updated *and* it lacks matte options or other connections, aren't we being a bit DRAMATIC?

It seems strange, but this thing could really be a laptop accessory. It's got a camera and 2.1 audio/speakers.

Camera/audio free ACDs in bigger sizes seem likely, maybe in matte.

 

[takao]

It seems strange, but this thing could really be a laptop accessory. It's got a camera and 2.1 audio/speakers.

Camera/audio free ACDs in bigger sizes seem likely, maybe in matte.

wait a minute .. this screen have a camera built in ? .. did they drop the camera on the laptops ? wouldn't you then have like .. 2 cameras in a setup ?

 

[rtheb]

The new Cinema is quite nice and would be a welcomed investment for any new MB or MBP owner. It is however somewhat costly for most consumers. I however, am holding out for new Pro displays with H-IPS and FW800 ports on the back.

I would just like to get some information about the panel being used in this display.

Only then can we make an informed decision on its relative value to its cost.

 

[Jtuner77]

You are correct that it doesn't support HDCP, but it has it's own form of copy protection:



And BTW, I've been looking at the 2408WFP, but after reading all of the horror stories over at Hardforums about the monitor, I decided to wait. It's wide-gamut, has horrible color-accuracy, and has a pretty high input lag. Also, it's an S-PVA screen, which is another turn off.

Link to said post?????

 

[Benjamindaines]

i don't understand why people are so pissed about this new display. if you don't like it, don't buy it. it isn't like apple owes you anything or is required to cater to everyones individual needs, which is impossible.

People are pissed for 2 reason, one being the fact that there is no way to use this new display with any computer other than the new MacBooks. The other being Apple switching to glossy Cinema Displays; people are taking it as a sign that when Apple updates the rest of the displays they too will be glossy, which is a problem because the CDs currently are very high quality, color accurate panels. There is speculation that Apple isn't using IPS panels anymore as well.

Until the entire ACD line is updated *and* it lacks matte options or other connections, aren't we being a bit DRAMATIC?

This is a rumors forum, that's what we do.

 

[thedragonden]

http://forums.macresource.com/read/1/582625

DisplayPort is a digital display interface standard (approved May 2006, current version 1.1 approved on April 2, 2007) put forth by the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA). It defines a new license-free, royalty-free, digital audio/video interconnect, intended to be used primarily between a computer and its display monitor, or a computer and a home-theater system.

posting that doesn't make apple's _MINI_ Displayport any less proprietary...

you know kinda like micro-dvi or mini dvi

Thank you.

According to the Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) -

This is a DisplayPort:

Note the lovely optional latch on the cable end.

These are the dimensions of a DisplayPort (Female):

There are no other versions of a DisplayPort, Mini or otherwise.


This is a Chicken-Poo port.

Apple may be taking the DisplayPort signal from the graphics chip, but that is NOT a DisplayPort.

--
The great bulk of my wealthy and educated friends regard me as a dangerous crank.
Theodore Roosevelt

 

[tmoney468]

Link to said post?????

Have fun:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1264046

You may have better luck with the Rev01 version, but I'm not sure about that.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=displayport&x=0&y=0

These may be taking you the other way around (i.e. display port source to HDMI / DVI display), but there may not have been a market for HDMI>Display Port until now (since most display port monitors have other inputs).

Maybe there are standard HDMI/DVI signal lines active on the mini-displayport plug of the new cinema display. Another poster said elsewhere that an email to Apple confirmed a 'simple adapter' is all that is needed to make the new display work with DVI-out macs.

Maybe we could all wait until November to see if the appropriate adapters will be available (from Apple or third party)?

 

[cromwell64]

People are pissed for 2 reason, one being the fact that there is no way to use this new display with any computer other than the new MacBooks. The other being Apple switching to glossy Cinema Displays; people are taking it as a sign that when Apple updates the rest of the displays they too will be glossy, which is a problem because the CDs currently are very high quality, color accurate panels. There is speculation that Apple isn't using IPS panels anymore as well.

Right, so I still don't understand why people are so angry about this display. It is an accessory for people who purchase the new macbooks and want an external monitor, with some extra features built in. It is not a replacement for the entire line of Cinema Displays and it isn't geared toward the "pro" market anyway.

I for one have grown really tired of the attitude that Apple owes us some specific product with some specific feature. They can do what they want, if I like it and it suits my needs I'll buy it, if not then I won't. Simple as that.