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Apple needed this one. I really like the new display. The iSight is a nice feature.

Is this Steve.. or Jonathan?
 
Is this an HP thread?

So much for pro users and debasing the graphic design industry who stayed with the company while they were in the crapper.

We all just got jobbed.
 
A lot of people seem to be complaining about this not being great for pro users what with it being glossy and only compatible with the new laptops but it seems like this is very much a new product line aimed at consumers and not a replacement for the old cinema displays.

The Apple website calls this the "LED Cinema Display" but still has the old Cinema Displays on it's site:

http://www.apple.com/displays/

Look in the bottom left corner.

http://www.apple.com/displays/cinema/

And yeah, I think the new displays look great. I'd get one if it wasn't for the price tag or the fact that I"m happy with my relatively new black MacBook.
 
Is it just me or is it frustrating to see people referring to these new displays as "LED displays"? An actual LED display, one that is not just an old fashioned LCD with LED lighting behind it but millions of tiny LEDs, would be an amazing new product both in terms of durability and energy efficiency. Calling these "LED displays" is a misnomer and is, well, kind of disappointing.

There is no such thing as displays with millions of LED's. Maybe you mean an OLED display - but the durability on those screen is still very bad.
 
Is it just me or is it frustrating to see people referring to these new displays as "LED displays"? An actual LED display, one that is not just an old fashioned LCD with LED lighting behind it but millions of tiny LEDs, would be an amazing new product both in terms of durability and energy efficiency. Calling these "LED displays" is a misnomer and is, well, kind of disappointing.

I think it's good to clarify that. It's not like each pixel is an individual LED, which might be implied calling them "LED displays." 1920x1200 = 2.3M little LEDs. That would be awesome though!
 
A lot of people seem to be complaining about this not being great for pro users what with it being glossy and only compatible with the new laptops but it seems like this is very much a new product line aimed at consumers and not a replacement for the old cinema displays.

The Apple website calls this the "LED Cinema Display" but still has the old Cinema Displays on it's site:

http://www.apple.com/displays/

Look in the bottom left corner.

http://www.apple.com/displays/cinema/

I think new displays for professionals will come at MWSF in January alongside new designed Mac Pro's. This LED display is aimed only at consumer level not professional IMHO.

I am pretty sure Apple will not abandon their most loyal base. At least I hope so.:rolleyes:
 
I was very worried about 1 hour ago. With the rumor of a new 24'' acd. I was expecting something better than my 5 month old 23'' acd.

Looks nice but I prefer, and need. The flat finish on my display.
 
Still NO Portrait mode...

As a photographer Portrait mode is a must for me. My 24" Samsung Rotates and swivels... At $300 less than Apple, u can't beat it. :eek:
 
Don't get me wrong... I want one... but $900 for a 24" monitor? You've GOT to be kidding me! Dell's, HP's, etc. cost less than half of that! And they work with more than one type of computer... this one is tied to APPLE laptops!?!?!

Seriously though, I still want one.

The difference is that this is LED technology... not LCD like the others you mention.
 
The real question to be asking is what type of panel are they using in this puppy.

If it is a IPS panel then the price is understandable, but if they are using a cheap a$$ TN panel then we may have Apple giving their users the one digit salute!

All the last gen Cinema Displays were S-IPS panels!

That's what I want to know too. I can't find any information on that. But seeing that the view angle is the same as the older model, it's not TN. Also I hope it's the newer H-IPS.
 
A lot of people seem to be complaining about this not being great for pro users what with it being glossy and only compatible with the new laptops but it seems like this is very much a new product line aimed at consumers and not a replacement for the old cinema displays.

The Apple website calls this the "LED Cinema Display" but still has the old Cinema Displays on it's site:

http://www.apple.com/displays/

Look in the bottom left corner.

http://www.apple.com/displays/cinema/

And yeah, I think the new displays look great. I'd get one if it wasn't for the price tag or the fact that I"m happy with my relatively new black MacBook.

You are correct about Apple still having Old Cinema Displays. But like many others, I bought a top of the line (maxed out in fact) Mac Pro and would like to purchase a second monitor that's new. One that has a built in camera in fact. But unless they come out with another version for the Pros, an adapter that's compatible or something else, I'm out of luck for now.

For the record, I like what Apple has done from a consumer point of view. The problem is, the Mac Book Pro is overkill for most consumers. Especially now with the economy being in such flux. The Mac Book Pro is for "professionals". I guess I'm missing something but perhaps alot of rich college kids will go for this?
 
The difference is that this is LED technology... not LCD like the others you mention.

This is still an LCD monitor, only it has LEDs as backlights, not the CFFL's like older monitors. LED and CFFL refer to the backlight technology, both are still LCDs.
 
The real question to be asking is what type of panel are they using in this puppy.

If it is a IPS panel then the price is understandable, but if they are using a cheap a$$ TN panel then we may have Apple giving their users the one digit salute!

All the last gen Cinema Displays were S-IPS panels!

That's what I want to know too. I can't find any information on that. But seeing that the view angle is the same as the older model, it's not TN. I think it's the newer H-IPS like the iMacs with A-TW polarizer. The A-TW polarizer improves black viewing angles and gets rid of the annoying glow that IPS panels have at slight angles, which gives it better visual contrast.
 
Guys, I don't see why this monitor wouldn't be compatible with older laptops with DVI...all you need is a cable that'll convert the mini displayport to DVI. I'm sure someone out there will make one.

And those wondering what type of panel this will have, it will most likely be S-IPS, since the viewing angles are 178 degrees.

S-PVA panels are 178/178 as well.

These most certainly won't be H-IPS (successor to S-IPS)

This article from SAMSUNG discusses their own 24" LED backlit LCD displays.

http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=817.0

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Samsung Develops LED-Backlit LCD Panel for Monitors With Color Quality Rivaling Premium TVs
Seoul, Korea on Apr 11, 2007
Seoul, Korea – April 11, 2007: Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., the world’s largest provider of thin-film transistor, liquid crystal display (TFT-LCD) panels, today announced that, during the second quarter, it will begin producing a 24-inch LCD panel with an LED backlight that enables computer monitors to deliver unprecedented color quality, resembling that of the highest-quality TV sets available today.

With the new 24-inch LCD monitor display, technology-demanding consumers, professional graphics designers and digital photographers will enjoy the same true-to-life colors that premium LCD TVs can provide, thanks to Samsung’s proprietary LED backlight. The LED-backlit monitor panel has an industry-high color saturation level of 111% (of NTSC standard) compared to a saturation level of only 72% of NTSC for conventional monitors and will satisfy consumers used to the crisp colors prevalent in high-definition broadcasting.

The panel’s 24-inch screen size is optimal for systems equipped with the Windows Vista operating system. While conventional thinking has been that Windows Vista works best with a 22-inch screen (the size of two A4 pieces of paper), 22 inches is not wide enough to support full-HD. In addition, industry experts now say that 24 inches provides a better Windows Vista fit to also include the Vista right side bar and margins.

The advent of Windows Vista and the spread of HD technology have accelerated the demand for wide-screen monitors delivering true-color imagery. Meanwhile, a steadily increasing number of consumers are using their monitors to watch high quality video images. Samsung’s new 24-inch LCD display with its vivid colors represents one of the most advanced monitor screens available today to meet market needs.

The new monitor display also features Samsung’s highly successful S-PVA (Super Patterned-ITO Vertical Alignment) technology that provides the widest viewing angle possible – 180 degrees – at the highest contrast ratio for LCD monitors today (>1,000:1). It also supports WUXGA resolution (1,920x1,200 pixels), which is the computer equivalent to Full HD resolution.

The new display’s backlight is environmentally-friendly due to the fact that LED backlights do not utilize mercury, an environmentally harmful substance.

About Samsung Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd. is a global leader in semiconductor, telecommunication, digital media and digital convergence technologies with 2006 parent company sales of US$63.4 billion and net income of US$8.5 billion. Employing approximately 138,000 people in 124 offices in 56 countries, the company consists of five main business units: Digital Media Business, LCD Business, Semiconductor Business, Telecommunication Network Business, and Digital Appliance Business. Recognized as one of the fastest growing global brands, Samsung Electronics is a leading producer of digital TVs, memory chips, mobile phones and TFT-LCDs. For more information, please visit www.samsung.com.
Samsung 24-inch LED-Backlit LCD TV Main Specifications

Display size
24”

Resolution
WUXGA (1,920 x 1,200)

Liquid crystal mode
S-PVA

Viewing angle
180° left, right, top, and bottom

Brightness
250 nits

Color saturation
111%

Contrast
1,000:1


Color Saturation: Standard for measuring how well a display reproduces color purity. Generally, it is expressed as a percentage of the figure provided by the US National Television Standards Committee (NTSC), which has set 72% as the color saturation level for CRT and LCD TVs. However, the clearer images of HDTV must be accompanied by a higher color saturation level than the old NTSC broadcast industry standard.

National Television Standards Committee (NTSC): One of the most common broadcasting standards.

Super Patterned-ITO Vertical Alignment (S-PVA) mode: Patented Samsung technology provides the widest possible viewing angle (180 degrees). To accomplish this, the electrodes inside the panel are calibrated at regular intervals to adjust the alignment direction of its liquid crystal molecules.
 
Considering buying one.

+ Built-in iSight. I use my monitor for my clamshell-mode MacBook, and the lack of webcam is annoying. I hate external webcams. Too many cables, too much clutter.
+ Love the design. I'm a sucker for sexy products.
- One display input
- No audio input (other than DP, which will need an adapter from a device that doesn't give audio over that port, so you won't get sound)
- Expensive (£650! That's $1,133!)
? HDCP Support unknown
 
Also note, no firewire at all. only three usb ports.

My first reaction, nice that they've added cameras and speakers, and you don't have to plug in your laptop adapter. But with the lack of firewire and matte surface, among other things complained about here, i'd give this a thumbs down. Not to mention the price points, they could be more competitive.
 
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