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Even the biggest Apple nuthugger can't approve of those tactics, if true.
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Apple Investigators Posed as Police in New Lost iPhone Prototype Search?
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I know right
Even the biggest Apple nuthugger can't approve of those tactics, if true.
If this is true, then you can bet your arse that Apple will cover this up ASAP. In a few days, the story from the SFPD will have changed to "no it was us with a few Apple Employees."
Not exactly hard to pay off the PD to keep their mouths shut. New iPhone's for everyone in SFPD!
Not exactly hard to pay off the PD to keep their mouths shut. New iPhone's for everyone in SFPD!
Well depending on the situation there is something wrong with being searched without a warrant.
And to the people saying the police threaten people into letting them search their cars or houses, I think many of you would be surprised how many people answer 'yes' to "Sir/Ma'am, do you mind if I search your car?" and then are arrested because the cop found the pot in the back seat.
I tend to believe that Apple, a company with a lot to lose, would not have people out there pretending to be cops, which is a serious offense. If they did pretend to be police to gain access to this guy's house then they'd be facing a lot more than an impersonating a police officer charge.
There is no police state. It's all in your head.
Just use the rights you're given and you should be fine. Also, don't break the law in the first place, and you'll be fine. No probable cause, no problem.
Corporate investigators can be left to do whatever is necessary to get results.
If the company didn't directly authorize an action then they are not at fault. They just have to not care that much how results are obtained for investigators to have the leeway to do anything.
You laugh, but some private corporations do have security departments with the same arresting authority as a sworn officer of the peace.
For example, the Canadian National Rail corporation. CNR started out as a wholly government-owned operation. Their security operations were established as a federal police force known as the Canadian National Railway Police Service.
After CNR was spun off as a private company in 1995, the CNR Police Service (now effectively the security department of a private corporation) was granted permission to continue enforcing the Criminal Code of Canada on, and adjacent to, rail lines and other land owned by CN. In the eyes of the Canadian courts, all members of the CN Police are duly authorized police officers with the rank of Constable. In most Canadian provinces, they also have agreements granting them provincial policing jurisdiction to operate outside of CN property.
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and the beat goes on......
I find it funny how this story has already taken such a strange course.
If indeed, someone impersonated a police officer, there will be much more deeper problems for the Apple team
Apple may have sent some people to this guy's house and he may be changing the story to seem more sensational to make some $$$ or gain 15 minutes of fame due to those who previously have had direct contact with Apple stories
I find it funny how this story has already taken such a strange course.
If indeed, someone impersonated a police officer, there will be much more deeper problems for the Apple team
Apple may have sent some people to this guy's house and he may be changing the story to seem more sensational to make some $$$ or gain 15 minutes of fame due to those who previously have had direct contact with Apple stories
It would be cool if the investigator had a metallic Apple logo shield in his wallet to flash around.
*LTD* is currently busy multi-quoting everyone in the "Bono Defends Steve Jobs" thread, the last post was at 11:21am (an hour ago). I am assuming *LTD* is now taking a lunch break and will resume momentarily.
First it's iCloud.... now it's iCop!
Let's see Google try to copy this from App.......
Oh.
So I just spoke to a lawyer about this whole thing. I work in a court and one of the lawyers here is an ex-police officer himself. According to him:
We're all protected by the fourth amendment from unreasonable search & seizure, yes. But the problem here is that we are not protected against non-law enforcement. If this guy gave this group of people permission to search his home based on their lie that they were police officers, he would have to prove that they indeed lied about that.
If taken to court, it would have to be proven that they impersonated law enforcement, which would be nearly impossible as this situation seems to be a lot of hearsay, which is often impermissable in court.
Furthermore, even if it is proven that they falsely identified themselves as officers, any evidence they obtain during the search would still be usable in court against the guy who "stole" it.
This is all hugely speculative and hypothetical, but I'm just offering it up as conversation fodder.
Enjoy.
We're all protected by the fourth amendment from unreasonable search & seizure, yes. But the problem here is that we are not protected against non-law enforcement. If this guy gave this group of people permission to search his home based on their lie that they were police officers, he would have to prove that they indeed lied about that.
If taken to court, it would have to be proven that they impersonated law enforcement, which would be nearly impossible as this situation seems to be a lot of hearsay, which is often impermissable in court.
Furthermore, even if it is proven that they falsely identified themselves as officers, any evidence they obtain during the search would still be usable in court against the guy who "stole" it.
This is all hugely speculative and hypothetical, but I'm just offering it up as conversation fodder.
Enjoy.
Of course, yet the headline (if this story went mainstream) would read something like Apple Investigators Impersonate Police Officers in Attempt to Retrieve Another Lost iPhone Prototype
Granted no newspaper would use a headline that long, but you get the point.
