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Apple Invites Media to 'Hello Again' October 27th Mac-Centric Event
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So much truth in this post a small black hole of truth just formed
You don't need accelerated graphics for what most mainstream users USE. Sure a "pro" will find it useless. For the rest though, apps like, Photos, Pages, iTunes, Safari, imovie, Skype, iMessage, maps, and more, it's a fantastic alternative. Cheap too.
Are there any noticeable differences or improvements between the 1st and 2nd generations?
Have I missed the crucial moment when you've been elected the King of the Thread? I can't speak for others, but I'm still here because I like being here. I type those words from my Samsung Galaxy Pad S2 Plus Edge Pro Mini Non-Exploding Edition, while taking a break from playing Snake on my Nokia 3210. Because I can.
True. I started thinking Apple became a fashion company a few years ago already. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It's a bad thing for me personally, but since I am not actually Tim Cook and own no shares, they have no responsibility to ask me. If the new Macs have ARM processors, I will probably buy one out of sheer curiosity. I will not necessarily approve, especially regarding MagSafe removal. But it doesn't matter what I approve of or not. It's a company making products. I don't have to buy those products. And no amount of my "where is my SD slot" whining is going to make Apple go "oh! we're so sorry Navaira, immediately going back to the drawing board to design a series of Macs that appeal to you".
The two-edged sword here is that if the new Macs don't sell, they'll probably phase them out instead of going back to tried'n'tested. And, again, I have no say on that.
Well, first of all, you don't become a king by being elected. But, that's beside the point - I am certainly not a king of anything and I do not have the right (nor would I want to) to decide who should be here and who shouldn't. I do, however, have the right to ask questions, politely. And my question is, as you have quoted - 'why are you here?'. And by that I mean: if you (not you, personally, but anyone here who has such strong negative sentiments) dislike Apple's approach so much and want them to do something we know they are not going to do - then why stick around?
It's one thing to be critical. Every company makes mistakes and it's good to point them out. And you don't have to like everything Apple does. But when you read the posts here - people don't have issues with certain changes, or a certain product, or even a whole generation of products - they have such negative feelings towards some of Apple's core ideals.
Asking for Apple to make a thicker computer with user accessible parts is like asking Bob Dylan to do electronic music, because you prefer that type of sound - and then going nuts when Bob does the same thing he's been doing for the last 50 years. Do you have to like Dylan's music? Of course not. Go listen to whatever you want. But why come to a Bob Dylan forum and complain he is obsessed with lyrics too much?
This is why I asked what I asked. And this is why I suggest people move on. If you like it here, by all means - enjoy your stay. But people asking Apple to put macOS on iPads or to make Macs with a touchscreen, people asking for user accessible parts, people asking for more complexity in computing - they are just setting themselves up for frustration. And, honestly, they are making this place a lot less fun for the rest of us.
It's not like Apple suddenly became obsessed with design. It's not like they suddenly decided to make things thinner. Look at some of the ads for the first iPod here on Macrumors - even 15 years ago, one of the first things they said was "....with such a THIN 5Gb drive" and how it's "simple and fun". They ALWAYS wanted to make a thinner, lighter, more simple product that looks beautiful. Whatever they announce on the 27th - it's going to be thinner and more simple (meaning less ports - until one day they make a Mac without any ports). And when will this obsession end? What is thin and light and simple enough? Well, when they reach invisibility. I'm serious. One day, when they are able to put computing abilities in our hands without us actually seing the computer - perhaps it will be on our wrist, perhaps hidden in the walls of our homes or inside our cars - then it will be 'enough'. They are on the path towards the ultimate unobtrusive computing. And they were on this path from the day Steve Jobs came back to the company.
At the same time, there are alternatives. There are companies who say - we're gonna make it bigger and more badass! With more things. With more ports, more drives, more customizability. And you know what - sometimes you need that. Nothing wrong with that. So - something for everyone. So why all the negativity, when you clearly have alternatives? (The "why are you here" question).
For me, I need focus. I respect a company that understand focus - and end goals. Apple, in my opinion, is all about the end goal. I am an illustrator. I want to be able to create illustrations. This is my goal. It's not to use this type of CPU or the other - it's to create illustrations. If I could do it with air, I would, but as it is - I require tools. My process, currently, requires computers that can run Photoshop, Zbrush, Illustrator, etc. But my GOAL is not usage of these programs per se - it's the creation of things. I trust Apple to always make the tools for me to do my work. But if one day, I am unable to create my work with Apple products - I will not change my goals, I will change my tools. I'll get something else. All I know is that people won't stop making art and there will always be tools for making art - so I'm not worried so much in the long run. For now, Apple is making the tools I want. In fact - they make the best tools for me. And I like to discuss these tools with likeminded people. Get advice. Ask questions. I also like to contribute - if I know something, I like to share it. I type these long posts taking the time to answer what I can - and I am grateful when someone answers my questions. Sometimes I come for fun - reading about other people's experiences. But lately, I come here and all I see is that I am somehow a sheep, a follower of a cult for idiots, led by the worst CEO in the universe, Tim Cook. It's.... tiring.
I'm not the king of this thread, as you pointed out. I have no right to choose what people want to talk about, and I would never forbid anyone from expressing their views. What I can do is ask, though. So I'm asking everyone who thinks Apple is a joke to - leave this place. Please?
Just asking.
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Fine we agree to disagree. You want a iOS Mac. I want a Mac that is light weight but not compromising power. I want it to have ports that I use. I want graphics capabilities and I don't want to be stuck with the ammount of ram and drive space at the time of purchase. If you disagree go buy a MacBook or an iPad. What is passing for a pro machine now is a shadow of the capability past machines had in comparison to their generation.
Maybe it's the other way around...
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If you're talking to me, then no, I don't want an iOS Mac. You don't have to be condescending, that's rude. I want a pro machine. I use it for my work, using some demanding software. And I need ports, I just don't mind an occasional USB-C adapter until it becomes standard. The fact that I don't need upgrade-able RAM or drive space doesn't mean I don't need a pro machine, because I don't consider these features to be a requisite for professional work. THIS is where we disagree.
I consider a pro purchase to be an investment, not something where you want to get the cheapest option and upgrade later. In fact, I wonder how many people here actually use their "pro" devices for business and how many are just hardware enthusiasts. Either way, while useful, user upgradeability is not a requirement for pro machines, and the tradeoffs are not worth it. Not needing it doesn't mean you "want an iOS device".
The next MBP will be a powerful workhorse, just like the current one is, and in a sleek, easy to carry package. And for a pro laptop, I'd argue that workplace mobility is much more a requirement than the ability to swap HDDs.
Only 3 and some people might only care about Any of those.
It's got force touch, which I actually use more than I thought I would.
It's a bit bigger, which I do find useful for dragging files around, I have to do the crossed fingered switch less
The battery is built in (can be a good or bad thing) but it saves me hunting for a pair of batteries in my charged pile, only to find the wife has run them all flat in her candles without telling me.
But it's by no means an essential purchase, they're all small changes. Force touch is still pretty easy to live without, batteries aren't normally an issue and some won't care about it being a little bigger. If you've something better to spend your money on, do that instead.
If you want any or all of the changes and the money isn't an issue, it's a good Trackpad.
Only 3 and some people might only care about Any of those.
It's got force touch, which I actually use more than I thought I would.
It's a bit bigger, which I do find useful for dragging files around, I have to do the crossed fingered switch less
The battery is built in (can be a good or bad thing) but it saves me hunting for a pair of batteries in my charged pile, only to find the wife has run them all flat in her candles without telling me.
But it's by no means an essential purchase, they're all small changes. Force touch is still pretty easy to live without, batteries aren't normally an issue and some won't care about it being a little bigger. If you've something better to spend your money on, do that instead.
If you want any or all of the changes and the money isn't an issue, it's a good Trackpad.
Thank you for the mini review TrueBlou. That's actually very helpful. I love the 1st generation trackpad I have. Reading your review, I think I could stand to wait replacing it until I really need to.
Cheers!
I could be totally wrong about this, but I don't think there are too many people that want an iOS Mac.
For me, the Mac has been the device that kept me in the Apple ecosystem. If Apple does some type of radical change to the Mac OS and make it a desktop version of iOS, then I am jumping ship after 20 years of using it.
Apple has slowly making the Mac more like an iOS, and making it a worse experience by doing so. One example would be iTunes.
I just hope they keep iOS and the Mac as separate OS.
But of course they will. In fact, Mac is the reason they can keep iOS as simple as it is - without the Mac, iOS would have to do more, and it would become more complex. Apple is one of the few companies that is fortunate enough to have both a desktop and a mobile OS. They are very aware of this. While they are doing things to unify certain superficial experiences - the core differences will always remain. Namely - the file system, desktop usage metaphor and sideloading of apps. This is the reason they are not (and will not) make a hybrid system, like Microsoft tried (and failed to do) and this is why we won't have touchscreen Macs, and most likely will never see a pointer on the iPad, no matter how some would find it useful. Who doesn't understand this, doesn't really get how Apple operates. So, don't worry - Mac isn't going anywhere soon.
As for ARM Macs, there is a chance we may see that one day, but if (and that's a big IF!) it happens, it will be a loooong process with developers on board.
Either way, expect good old Intel powered, mouse operated, non-touch Macs for many more years. They will become thinner, lose a few "old" ports along the way and come in multiple color options, but they will be super-fast, super-capable computers that run full, desktop software with, if you ask me, less bugs and a better looking enviroment than Windows PCs. Long live the Mac!
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I wonder if we will get
- a TrueTone display
- a resolution increase on the 15 inch
- HDR compatible screen
- The more accurate way of lighting up the keys that the MacBook has
I think we'll see some display improvements including pixel densities. Apple's competitors have upped the ante, so they need to do something with both the 13" and 15" form factors
LOL. Not even true for a second.
macOS is slightly ahead of Windows 10, IMO. The hardware on the Mac side will always be behind though. Apple just can't move fast enough.
So the net result is that Windows machines win out, but it's not because of the OS.
Windows 10 is more feature rich, and stable then Mac OS. I know there's many apple fans here that hate windows so much that they refuse to acknowledge that, but for many people, its a solid product.
One size doesn't fit all, so if you don't like windows, that's your choice but that doesn't diminish its features or stability
I currently only have two macOS devices in operation. My main rigs are all Windows 10. I love it. I miss the UNIX console with commands I'm very familiar with so bad when I'm on windows. That and my uptimes on macOS are so much longer than Windows 10.
I'm also working to replace this machine with a windows one, but the tool chain I'm using is a beast to relearn on windows so... it stays.
Do you know with the current version of Windows, you can install the bash shell, and have access to those command.
Indeed, I have the bash shell installed, but I've not really had any opportunity to use it. I'm so used to the cmd shell, I do most things in that and it fits my needs.
PC Running windows xp that's a nice set up...What is this "Mac" thing? I thought they died off when the iPad came out
I'm prepared to be disappointed. (Though I'm sure I'll be impressed by the new line's large list of dongles needed to do simple tasks.)
I went PC a few months ago and Apple is going to have to work pretty hard to win me back.
1. Most likely
2. Doubtful. Increase in resolution comes at a cost of performance and battery life. And Apple is not in a specs race, so they will stop the resolution at what they feel is good enough and give preference to performance and battery life. And the Retina resolution is good enough. Besides, a new increase would either make the UI smaller or developers will have to come up with new graphics for every rasterized asset (both bad). In other words, a lot of work for only a minor perceptible difference with lots of tradeoffs. Almost certainly not. PC manufacturers just cram 4K displays into laptop screens. Also, a 4K display on a 15" laptop is around 280ppi vs MacBooks 220ppi. The difference is hardly perceivable even at close inspection. It just sounds better
3. No idea
4. Most likely the keyboard will be the same ast the one on the MacBook, which has individual key lighting, so - yea.
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I don't hate Windows - I just find it less stable than macOS, and it definitely has less features I need.
I could say the same thing you did: that macOS is more feature rich, and more stable than Windows, but there are many Microsoft fans here that refuse to acknowledge that
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I think you're confusing hardware with specs. Either way, it seems like comparing apples to oranges to me. Sure, compare an iMac with a custom built PC desktop with the latest parts, the PC has better performance. But find me better specced All-in-one of that size, or find me a laptop with the same 10-hour battery life and size as the MacBook Pro that has better specs (maybe there are some, it's just that there certainly aren't that many).
PC has more choice, that's true, so you can buy a huge, heavy laptop with a 3-hour battery life that has dual GeForce 1080 inside and then say it has "better hardware" than a MBP.
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You'll get arguments for and against that from both sides, as you always do for anything I suppose. Partly it possibility comes down to individual usage/hardware/software installed. Especially for system stability, it's something that's harder to nail specific numbers on.
For example, my 2012 iMac has been on 24/7 since the day I bought it (with the exception of when I moved home when it was off for 2 days.) it gets used for photo editing, video editing, 3D modelling, my app development work, daily as a media server by several people and of course a general computer. In all of that uptime and all of that use, across what is it now 3? 4? operating systems (I lose count and can't be bothered checking) it's not crashed once.
My dads Windows 10 computer on the other hand, I've had to fix more times than I can count this year. Is that because of Windows 10? Probably (read as definitely) not, I suspect it's more to do with my dad than the OS.
That's all I mean when I say you'll get both sides of the same coin with both operating systems, there's just too many factors to say unequivocally that one is more stable than the other. Especially the hardware between the chair and the keyboard, it plays a massive part in the health of a computer
I'm not against Windows, not at all, yes my preference now is macOS. Too many years working with/programming for and fixing Windows systems drove me to it
I find life simpler on the Mac side of the fence. But I do think, particularly since the introduction of Windows 10, Microsoft has improved their OS.Neither is perfect, Apple could probably learn a thing or two from Microsoft. But then, the reverse of that is true as well.