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Apple Invites Media to September 10 Event at Apple Park: 'By Innovation Only'
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“My gut says the invitation (and mentioned innovation) is a reflection on object/colour recognition, a nod to real advances in augmented reality implementation through improved depth mapping - something which is made exponentially easier by adding a third lens off-axis from the other two.”
Not sure that such innovation will mean much to most of the buying public!
Far too technical! Also, sounds incremental — “improved depth mapping” — and dull!
Not sure that such innovation will mean much to most of the buying public!
Far too technical! Also, sounds incremental — “improved depth mapping” — and dull!
I hate phones (love my SE but prefer no phone) so I’m waiting for the stand alone cell enabled watch. My first gen ipad pro 12.9 is still rocking at almost 4 years. My new mac mini is cruising for the next 5 or so years. I’m good.
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In 3d.
It all comes down to peoples absurdly high expectations. All the negative comments remind me of the beaten girlfriend/wife who stay in physically abusive relationships because they really think their partner will change, but don't.
I won't consider any camera innovative on an iPhone until it lies flush with the back of the phone. Enough with this pop-out design. Make the phone thicker and add extra battery in the remaining space, but let the damn thing lie flat on a table.
18 pages in and several months on this forums confirms something to me...no one will truly ever be happy with Apple, the iPhone or minor/major enhancements to the device. Be it the notch, the camera protrusion, design, housing, screen, battery life and the list goes on. The iPhone will be compared to Samsung, previous versions of the iPhone and every other smartphone. But at the end of the day we will all trek out and buy it. Personally I don't care about how a phone doesn't lay firmly against a table. It'll be in my hand or pocket or wireless charger. I personally don't care about low light or night time photography because anything in the dark probably isn't meant to be captured on camera. I'm not knocking those that find these things important but in the grand scheme of things I feel personally more things are of importance. I would love to have a longer lasting battery but at what cost? Am I sacrificing the processor to get a bigger battery?
Again with the camera... it's supposed to be a smartphone, why is it that the only thing that matters to most is the camera? It's not supposed to be a camera with a phone, its supposed to be a phone with a camera. I don't get it.
Preach it - and you’re absolutely correct.
A lot of those either praising the notch or claiming “it isn’t noticeable” are engaging in ego protection, rationalizing their decision and their purchase - only to themselves, because the rest of us have made the same observation you have.
There is a segment of the Apple buying demographic that will buy anything new from Apple, and subsequently have to rationalize and justify it to themselves - unfortunately for Apple, not enough of them to offset their losses since the iPhone X was introduced.
I could go into lengthy details as to why, but I won’t...
Most people don’t care either way if their iPhone is 1mm or ½ mm thicker, especially if it ends up looking better, or gets ½ mm additional battery capacity, for example.
There was only ONE person who continuously didn’t want a thicker phone and kept pursuing thinner at the expense of practicality - and he’s gotten fired.
yes, but most people would probably also want to use it...
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You bring up an interesting point: what will the secondary market be for the XR and other recent models, given the 2020 leaks?
Congrats in adv on your purchase. I’m sticking w my 7+ until 2020.
Just throw a made up label to some hypothetical group of people you don’t even know. To continue in the same vein As the post, the critics rarely seem to see the big picture (as critics usually can’t).
The notch is the best of the worst compromises of fitting lots of electronics into a tiny space and not making the phone bigger or pop up flash or moveable bezels.
As fas a revenue, $52B a quarter is a big number.
Yes!! This is rarely mentioned. Not only did Touch ID fail for me often but the bezels look hideous to me compared to my iPhone XS with a much larger screen. The people that often scream loudest about the notch are the ones who've never owned a phone with one. It's such a complete non-issue to everyone I know that has an iPhone X/XS. I barely even notice it in daily usage.
.... and lots and lots more people that won’t, and haven’t been for the past 2 years... a growing number of people, in fact.
... or Ive’s latest F*, the removal of the Home Button. The loss of “slide to unlock” was already shortsighted (albeit not mission critical) - yet there was no reason for it.
Ever since SLIDE TO UNLOCK was removed, the number of buttdials have increased.
It’s like he’s on a mission to destroy everything Steve created.
That’s ridiculous. The iPhone has gotten thicker every year since the iPhone 6. If you want to be practical, the fact is practically everybody uses a case and the camera bump is a non-issue.
Like the notch, it’s a simple case of form follows function. Engineering requires camera components with a certain overall depth to get the functionality and quality they need, and space for the 8 sensors/transducers housed in the notch. Marketing requires a phone that isn’t too thick or heavy, but has a sufficient run time, and that has differentiating features like FaceID, Portrait Lighting effects, and yes, Animoji and Memoji.
Design’s job is to take all of the above factors and goals—often conflicting and at odds with each other—and make the best compromise possible that best satisfies the requirements (and stakeholders, including the greatest number of customers).
The notch and the camera bump are the result if that compromise, and Ive would rather not have either—but that's not possible. The claim that he alone is responsible for the camera bump is almost as laughable as the claim that he was fired. You know nothing about it.
The X Models’ resale value will crater once the 2020 models will be introduced.
Ditto with my iPhone 8, which, if need be, will last me until 2023.
The notch is a compromise design. I don’t expect compromises from Apple. Likewise, the loss of a Home Button is a far more egregious issue, and the result of a series of compromises that have destroyed the iconic User eXperience that has popularized iphone.
Users are being told about the notch and new gestures “you will get used to it” - the one sentence that I NEVER should have to hear about Apple products. “You will get used to it”
If I wanted that, I’d buy an Android product.
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That genuine positive “wow” effect about the pricing happened last about 10 years ago when Steve Jobs introduced the first iPad. I was watching the keynote and thought “this is probably going to be $1499” and was surprised it wasn’t.
Scott Forstall was also fired, yet is being paid $5 million a year as a “consultant” to Tim Cook.
People like Ive getting fired isn’t about no longer paying them (although luddites always think that), but about getting them out of their position, especially if that position was causing harm to the business.
People like Ive (and Forstall) have been too intricately part of Apple to just fire them and have them be walked out by security. They also need to be prevented from being hired by competitors.
Forstall was easy to fire - most outside of Apple didn’t know who he was. Ive is intricately associated with Apple, and subsequently his departure was handled with theatrics that would cause the least amount of waves - in fact, slow-clap to Tim Cook for how this was handled.
Furthermore, Ive had a number of loyalists working with him - which would have also needed to go (or had been made redundant by the new design group) - hence, conveniently enough, everybody gets shuffled into “Jony’s New Design Studio”, and Apple will be paying a nice fat retainer, and the issue is contained.
Like I said, well-handled by Cook.
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I wish next year would be 10 September. It looks like Apple is a year if not more behind on design and features already.
Really? Got some proof for that? I think that’s a myopic view of what went down. Is Cook next?
Anyway, you don’t know what most people want. Just admit it.
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Apple doesn’t need lots that won’t, they need lots that will and there is plenty of them.
Ahh that would've been better, I agree. It sounds bolder. And yeah I could whip up another one. I just threw it into Photoshop and googled the resolution of my XS Max lol.I like it, but is there anyway you can put a back background on it? Also, I think instead of the theme "By innovation only" it should just be "Innovation Only" on the wallpaper, and quite frankly for Apple as well.
I, for one, personally thinks that sounds much better.
Did you mean a black background, or an image for a background?