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every phone since the 4S has had design and/or durability problems

I know I sound like a broken record but I've said over and over again that the 4/4S had the best design of any iPhone even the most recent ones. I still use my 4S at home from time to time as a media control and streaming source and I marvel at it's design in comparison to my 5

The only iphone i have had that ever got damaged was an iPhone 4.

That is original, 3G, 4 and 5.
 
In this situation I wouldn't trust anything the news guys say without unedited video during the bend test.

That's not a knock on :apple:, it's a knock on the media.
 
It means nothing, zero.

Apple place their device on a test rig they set up to a level they felt was right, they ran the test they felt was right and they felt the results were acceptable.

So what does that tell you?

Nothing.

HTC, Motorolla, Samsung, Sony, could use the same test rig, set it differently with their own different idea on what a pass will be.

Apple can show anything they like. Means nothing.

If it was independently tested to some independent standard that other phones were identically tested to then that means something.

Plenty of places do independent durability tests on smartphones. Some of these results have already been published, with the 6 and 6s getting high marks.
 
I am absolutely sick of this viral and uneducated non-issue. I now hate that guy from UnboxTherapy. What on earth is wrong with people. If you sit on any damn thin aluminium case it's got a chance of bending.

WOW. SCIENCE.

I hate the internet sometimes. Every teenager and know-nothing mouthbreather is adding their expert opinion on this pointless story over the internet.
 
For me the bottom line is that Apple was always known for making well crafted devices with great quality. For that and the brand, you pay a premium price.


Seems now people pay Apple mostly for the brand
 
For me the bottom line is that Apple was always known for making well crafted devices with great quality. For that and the brand, you pay a premium price.


Seems now people pay Apple mostly for the brand

A long slab of thin aluminum is going to be bendable. That's physics, and unrelated to the quality of the craftsmanship.

If it becomes too common of a problem then they need to make the unibody thicker.
 
Oh really? Where are the "other phone tests"? Where is the legitimate testing where you would compare differing, exact, pressure amounts, along comparable parts of the phone.

I suspect some other phones would literally crack or shatter if put under the exact same amount of pressure. There are machines to do all this. Apple even has them.

I am pretty sure if I was insane I could create enough force to damage most any phone with my hands.

A real test would be a force machine putting different psi levels on several points on multiple devices at the same % of the device length. And you would actually need unique devices for each test or earlier tests could weaken the structural integrity of later tests, which is something that could be tested separately.

The reality is we don't know what this guy did to "prep" the iPhone for his "test." We have no idea and he has no foundation of credibility.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-DcUASffHU

More or less the same results with the Note 3 and 6+. If bendgate dies down then your point might have validity. If it grows, more and more people will be doing these same tests.

You know, just because the iphone 6+ is slightly more prone to bend damage, does not mean these iPhones are defective. The Screen on the LG flex will not shatter if dropped. That does not mean the iphone is defective. My nexus 5 has shitte battery life, I'm not going around telling people that its better then an Iphone 6+.
 
with steve jobs gone, perfection has gone by the wayside. products and software seem rushed. steve might have been OCD about things that didn't matter, but that OCD positively affected things that did matter and the product benefited as a result

i don't know why Apple seems to rush everything - perhaps due to what i said above or that they are starting to feel the fire under their feet from the competition. who knows. most of the issues that people come across with Apple products now could have been easily addressed way way early in the process with FMEAs for both hardware and software. it baffles me when some companies say "we didn't foresee yada-yada" - every company i've ever worked for has done extensive FMEAs on their products. i would love to take a look at whatever was done for the iPhone 6 Plus

either way, it's clear that the 6S is the phone to get as Apple "learns" its mistakes from Rev 1, i mean the iPhone 6/6+
 
I am absolutely sick of this viral and uneducated non-issue. I now hate that guy from UnboxTherapy. What on earth is wrong with people. If you sit on any damn thin aluminium case it's got a chance of bending.

WOW. SCIENCE.

I hate the internet sometimes. Every teenager and know-nothing mouthbreather is adding their expert opinion on this pointless story over the internet.

You are sick because someone point out the obvious that you can bend a phone? That's kinda sad! The guy bent a phone with his hands! Maybe it was retard strength!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVnO-3M0HNA

This guy shoots a phone. Guess what the outcome is?


Does this make you upset?

Do drop test make you hate the internet?
Have you ever posted wow science, you drop a phone and the screen cracks? I now really hate that guy!!!:rolleyes:
 
Seriously this is becoming embarrassing. Bottom line is, a guy managed to bend an iPhone 6 plus with his bare hands but couldn't bend an HTC One M8 or a Moto X or a Nokia 1020. If Apple can't relate to the competition, what's the point of inviting the press?
Apple can do all the tests and PR they wants, facts are facts. The iPhone 6 plus is more prone to bending for being too thin for its size. Had they kept it at the thickness of the camera, they would gain better stability and a flushed camera. Who cares about an extra millimeter thick phone?
 
Doing a press release or showing test equipment doesn't make this better. It's clear by now that from a durability perspective, the 6+ is probably not the best phone out there :(

Square Trade. An actual insurance company did tests and also found that they were unable to bend the iPhone 6+ in real life situations. This is once again looking like a simple case of the media getting a hold of something one in a million and making it seem widespread. They know what gets viewers and it worked. Since when did buying products become based on the fact that it may somehow be damaged by going to an extreme? That new LG tv will break if I throw a rock at it, so I should probably skip it and wait for a better built one.
 
Why do many ppl thinks that just because running lab test means every phone coming out of production has to be 100% default free.

In manufacturing and lab test everything follows a normal probability distribution. Means those tests are suppose to make sure majority of phones falls under an acceptable standard deviation. There will always be some phones that falls under the tail side which exceed the acceptable standard deviation.
 
Beware of Apple PR machine

15,000 tests does not mean 15,000 DIFFERENT tests. It means running 3 different tests 5,000 times each. According to the re/code article, Apple applied 25kg pressure for the bend test. Sitting down hard with an iPhone 6+ in one's back pocket applies pressures far exceeding 25kg.

Just like the iPhone 4 antenna problem, this one appears real and likely affects far more than the 9 cases Apple concedes too. Apple should just give away a free Speck Candyshell case to every customer. That's a lot less expensive than customers getting angry at bent phones.
 
I am absolutely sick of this viral and uneducated non-issue. I now hate that guy from UnboxTherapy. What on earth is wrong with people. If you sit on any damn thin aluminium case it's got a chance of bending.

Apple shouldn't have used a thin aluminum case if it's a real problem, not that I know whether it's a real problem.
 
Doing a press release or showing test equipment doesn't make this better. It's clear by now that from a durability perspective, the 6+ is probably not the best phone out there :(

Yeah because out of let's say 4 million 6plus's out there (made up # but I figured it was a good guess out of the 10 million sold) 9 complaints of bent phones means it's a crap design...... No need to put the blame on this 9 people for being irresponsible..... Let's blame the design...... No matter that 3,999,991 iP6+'s are fine...... Sounds legit!

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Got to say, those looked like teddy bear tests. That is to say, overly gentle.

25 kilos of pressure on a single point across the phone is "teddy bear"? Ummmm ok.
 
Seriously this is becoming embarrassing. Bottom line is, a guy managed to bend an iPhone 6 plus with his bare hands but couldn't bend an HTC One M8 or a Moto X or a Nokia 1020. If Apple can't relate to the competition, what's the point of inviting the press?
Apple can do all the tests and PR they wants, facts are facts. The iPhone 6 plus is more prone to bending for being too thin for its size. Had they kept it at the thickness of the camera, they would gain better stability and a flushed camera. Who cares about an extra millimeter thick phone?
What I don't care about is whether Apple's phone is the stiffest, most unbendable phone on the planet. I care about whether it is likely to bend accidentally during normal use. I've been carrying mine in my pocket off and on since I got it a week ago, and it's perfectly flat against the table. So far the evidence is that the people who have bent phones have either gone to a great deal of trouble to do so (trouble I'm not planning to go to), or they're one in a million.

If my phone bends, I WILL take it back to Apple and ask for a replacement. If enough people have bent phones and do the same, then Apple will see it as a hit to their bottom line. It will make sense for them to make the phone stiffer, or give out free cases, or take some measure sooner rather than later.

But if it remains the rare occurrence, I don't see why Apple would bother stiffening the iPhone 6 any more than they already have. Who cares if some joker can bend it in a suspiciously edited YouTube video? Next you'll be demanding that Apple make their phones unBLENDable.

If the phone stands up to MY everyday use (including my front pocket), I'd much rather they put their efforts into adding more features and capabilities, not winning some contest between hard to bend and harder to bend.
 
I sent this email to RIM CEO Jason Chen. Ill report back if he responds.

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I should add that it if I can't bend it with my bare hands, I will switch from my iPhone to Passport for a year and blog about how great is is at least once a week.

To me I’d read that as facetious and not reply. Which you obviously meant it to be.

Whilst not saying that Apple has or hasn’t done what they claim I’ll leave all you, ‘YeeHaw Ayple - you showz em Saymsung boyz’ posters with this, who seem to be cooing about the factory tour;
Every car manufacturer on earth very likely does cold and hot weather testing and track testing to extremes with all the cars that you drive on a day to day basis and some have as with Apple, invited people to track days and the factory and even made commercials about it. (So this is in far worse conditions for longer than you ever will).
We’re talking in excess of plus and minus 40 celsius for ambient and then at these points they thrash the living hell out of the cars. Some may have even seen the engine testing where they put it on a vibrating rig and just let it run at the redline till it glows red hot and destroys itself.
(We do it with our kit, run it at 120% for extended periods and hit it with 150% and 200% step loads. So our 640KW machines are let run continuously at 800KW till they go pop or until we get bored then we hit it with 960 or 1280KW, let it recover, repeat, recover, repeat ad nauseum).

It’s great that they do all that because it means that under normal use my car will never fail, (normal wear is different), or ever have a reason to be recalled will it?
We don’t even have a spares department because we know they’ll never be needed.
 
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Seriously this is becoming embarrassing. Bottom line is, a guy managed to bend an iPhone 6 plus with his bare hands but couldn't bend an HTC One M8 or a Moto X or a Nokia 1020. If Apple can't relate to the competition, what's the point of inviting the press?
Apple can do all the tests and PR they wants, facts are facts. The iPhone 6 plus is more prone to bending for being too thin for its size. Had they kept it at the thickness of the camera, they would gain better stability and a flushed camera. Who cares about an extra millimeter thick phone?

Hmm the HTC and Nokia screens almost cracked and who truly applies that much pressure to their phone? It's starting to get silly? I haven't seen anyone besides the few posts on here with a bent 6 plus! I had to take mine out of a hybrid case today and its straight as they come! A course when you are on top of the cell phone world everyone is aiming at you! Finally trying to bend note 3 is silly! A course it won't bend!! The screen would crack first and btw how did those returns for the S5 go for being so waterproof???? Yep not that waterproof as Samsung reported! Stopped trolling!
 
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