Apple Invites Reporters Into Testing Lab, Details iPhone 6 Plus Durability Tests

[whiteboytrash]

Just found it this picture

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From here; http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/bendgate-faked-clock-inaccuracies/

Apparently along with "bending" the time of the clock goes backwards!

The guy faked the video for 26millon hits. I guess he's about to be sued. Poor chap, hope it was worth it.

 

[Ethosik]

For those that trusts Apple's testing on the matter. Can the same be said for their software testing on 8.0.1 update?

No. People test software. Machines test durability and output statistics. Granted a person looks at the data the machine produces, but it is not the same.

 

[dewski]

Seriously this is becoming embarrassing. Bottom line is, a guy managed to bend an iPhone 6 plus with his bare hands but couldn't bend an HTC One M8 or a Moto X or a Nokia 1020. If Apple can't relate to the competition, what's the point of inviting the press?
Apple can do all the tests and PR they wants, facts are facts. The iPhone 6 plus is more prone to bending for being too thin for its size. Had they kept it at the thickness of the camera, they would gain better stability and a flushed camera. Who cares about an extra millimeter thick phone?

But you see, it doesn't matter how it relates to another phone. Who cares if the competition didn't buckle when that dude used all of his strength to bend the phones.

apple showed the testing room so that you could see that they planned for this. "hey, its not gonna bend in your pocket." "we tested for this" they aren't trying to say that if you bend it with your hands with the purpose of bending it, that it will hold up better than the competition.

 

[bmt134]

Apple is very good at spinning; not very good at making unbendable phones.

 

[Ethosik]

Rubbish, nonsense.


thats like saying without am empirical measure, that pushing people off a cliff proves nothing as per the damage.


wise up.

How is asking for a measurement of the stress he put on the phone rubbish? The guy could either be:

A) weaker or have the same strength as a pocket -- then that proves there is an issue.

B) strong -- it doesn't prove anything. If your pockets give less stress then his strength, that makes his test pointless.

Extreme example here I know: Clark Kent can bend cars. So there must be a problem right?

That example is extreme but you understand what my point is. Not everybody has the same strength.We don't know how much stress he is putting on the phone for it to be a valid test.

So if Clark Kent bent the iPhone, everybody would be freaking out too? And he "pretended" he couldn't bend the other phones.

NOTE: I am not saying the guy faked trying to bend the other phones. But with enough practice, people can appear to be giving all their strength but not really. Ever seen movies?

He got 28,668,868 youtube views in little over two days.
How many youtube views do you have?

#BendGate is here to stay

That doesn't make his video truthful. Have you seen those viral videos doing crazy things, and it was proven to be video editing?

Mythbusters did several of these videos. Some were fake. And they got MANY views. But I am sure some people will say Mythbusters is lying!!!1 Online Videos is all truth!!!

I can make a video of me swinging a metal stick around, and use After Effects to make it glow. It does not mean Lightsabers are real.

Movies and TV shows have shown how actors can pretend to bend something. Again, I am NOT saying he pretended. But we do not have a measurement of the stress he applied so we cannot be 100% sure.

The video is 100% true, The iPhone 6+ bends easier then the other 6 phones that he tested. If that correlates to the bent phones being reported is a different story. Have a drop test with 10 phones vs the LG flex. Will the results be false, untrue or misleading? A phone display cracking from a Fall is user error but would not make the drop test untrue.

Um a drop test is more accurate. You drop it from the same height plus/minus a few inches. You know 100% the statistics of gravity. You can calculate the amount of force on impact.

We have no way of knowing how much force he is applying on each test. He could be weak (then there is a phone issue) or strong.

 

[JordanGoRetro]

Given that there are different grades of aluminum alloy is it possible the supplier tried to pull a fast one trying to pass off back plates with a lower grade of aluminum alloy to pad their profits?

This is my first post on the forums but this is what I came to suggest.

With all the garbage surrounding Chinese suppliers and manufacturers, who's to say this didn't happen to a degree?

All those fake GooPhones that were coming out were clearly from the same factory. Maybe a portion of Apples aluminum alloy was used for those, and the missing amount from the initial batch of actual iPhones was filled with some low grade metal.

Or like this poster said, maybe it just simply isn't what Apple thinks it is. These suppliers are rife with corruption and poor working ethics. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

In the articles about this post, they say testing is done at Apple and in China. Perhaps the testing at Apple is done with prototypes made on campus, and production models are done at the OEM who is then falsifying durability tests.

I'm not trying to be the aluminum hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Just a thought. But lets say it was announced tomorrow that the factory was doing this, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Post scriptum anecdote: In Afghanistan, something similar happened often with fuel deliveries. The drivers were siphoning off potions of our aircraft fuel and replacing it with low grade fuel.

 

[rGiskard]

Everyone wanted bigger, lighter thinner and they got it. Now put on your big boy pants and take care of your phone!

Here, let me fix that for you:

Ive wants thin, light, and thinner. Now we're stuck with it. Now we have to treat our phones like delicate showpieces due to Ive's design anorexia.

Reads much better now.

 

[JCrz]

Exactly this. My main question is, if people that had this happen to them had the phone in their front pants pocket only, and with the screen face down towards the leg as everyone does, not facing outwards, the force being applied by the leg would have had to be in the opposite direction than the phones bent.

The only way for the phones to bend in the way they were shown in the pictures would be by a significant force OPPOSITE to the one being applied by having the phone in a front pants pocket, such as if someone was leaning against a railing, the edge of a table, etc...

That's just simple physics, right? Happy to be corrected?



Are you an engineer? Seems to me you don't have to be to understand that it is pretty obvious that these bending issue did not occur from simply putting the phone in your front pocket. You just have to use some basic logical and critical thinking.

+1

Nail head status: Hit

 

[OatmealRocks]

This is my first post on the forums but this is what I came to suggest.

With all the garbage surrounding Chinese suppliers and manufacturers, who's to say this didn't happen to a degree?

All those fake GooPhones that were coming out were clearly from the same factory. Maybe a portion of Apples aluminum alloy was used for those, and the missing amount from the initial batch of actual iPhones was filled with some low grade metal.

Or like this poster said, maybe it just simply isn't what Apple thinks it is. These suppliers are rife with corruption and poor working ethics. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

In the articles about this post, they say testing is done at Apple and in China. Perhaps the testing at Apple is done with prototypes made on campus, and production models are done at the OEM who is then falsifying durability tests.

I'm not trying to be the aluminum hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Just a thought. But lets say it was announced tomorrow that the factory was doing this, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Post scriptum anecdote: In Afghanistan, something similar happened often with fuel deliveries. The drivers were siphoning off potions of our aircraft fuel and replacing it with low grade fuel.

Where can I buy your tinfoil hat?

 

[Moonlight]

Opportunistic sensationalism at it's finest!

When you're at the top, your competitors are chomping at the bit to take you down, by all means, unscrupulously or otherwise.

You sound like a very smart person, what are you doing in this thread, lol

 

[rGiskard]

This is my first post on the forums but this is what I came to suggest.

With all the garbage surrounding Chinese suppliers and manufacturers, who's to say this didn't happen to a degree?

All those fake GooPhones that were coming out were clearly from the same factory. Maybe a portion of Apples aluminum alloy was used for those, and the missing amount from the initial batch of actual iPhones was filled with some low grade metal.

Or like this poster said, maybe it just simply isn't what Apple thinks it is. These suppliers are rife with corruption and poor working ethics. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

In the articles about this post, they say testing is done at Apple and in China. Perhaps the testing at Apple is done with prototypes made on campus, and production models are done at the OEM who is then falsifying durability tests.

I'm not trying to be the aluminum hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Just a thought. But lets say it was announced tomorrow that the factory was doing this, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Post scriptum anecdote: In Afghanistan, something similar happened often with fuel deliveries. The drivers were siphoning off potions of our aircraft fuel and replacing it with low grade fuel.

For that to happen, Apple would have to skip testing of new aluminum lots. I seriously doubt they take a supplier's word that it's good stuff. It's not like they're buying dime bags of aluminum, when you accept a shipment of millions of dollars worth of metal, you spot test the entire lot.

Also, the supplier stands to lose far more than they would gain. So they make a few extra bucks for one shipment - yet they lose all future sales to Apple, worth BILLIONS of dollars. Nope, not happening, not even in China. They won't risk losing a place at the Apple teat. They scam small buyers, not their milk cow.

 

[jcbauerca]

People must be pretty rough or don't care about their $700+ investment.

I have had every iphone since the first one and none of them ever experienced any issues that bloggers claim they have; including antennagate and bendgate. I work hard for my money and take care of my electronics.

Don't know why everyone is so cavalier about a $700+ device.

 

[kobalap]

He got 28,668,868 youtube views in little over two days.
How many youtube views do you have?

#BendGate is here to stay

Yes, it is here to stay and unbox therapy is here to stay. Not famous as in, getting recognition for a great deed but rather notorious for perpetrating a great hoax on a gullible public. (Me included.)

The video was disingenuous at best. More likely, a malicious act for personal gain.

 

[dvoros]

bend-Gate

So then, how did these phones bend when sent to consumers? Quality control is lacking somewhere. Did they really test it by applying pressure at the point where the control buttons are located?

 

[Derpert]

But you see, it doesn't matter how it relates to another phone. Who cares if the competition didn't buckle when that dude used all of his strength to bend the phones.

apple showed the testing room so that you could see that they planned for this. "hey, its not gonna bend in your pocket." "we tested for this" they aren't trying to say that if you bend it with your hands with the purpose of bending it, that it will hold up better than the competition.

"Testing for pockets"

Lol

You'd have been better and more accurate giving the 6+ to the BFG

 

[kobalap]

People must be pretty rough or don't care about their $700+ investment.

I have had every iphone since the first one and none of them ever experienced any issues that bloggers claim they have; including antennagate and bendgate. I work hard for my money and take care of my electronics.

Don't know why everyone is so cavalier about a $700+ device.

I think the assumption is that these issues are cropping up from average, everyday users. Now, it is not clear that this is the case.

I wouldn't put it past some Korean manufacturers to plant people who wind up with these "odd" issues under "normal" usage. If one thing is for sure, gangnam style marketing has done an effective job pivotting the message away from Apple's release of two extremely competitive products.

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So then, how did these phones bend when sent to consumers? Quality control is lacking somewhere. Did they really test it by applying pressure at the point where the control buttons are located?

Easy.

Korean manufacturer: "We'll pay you money to go buy an iPhone, bend it using whatever is necessary and claim that it happened under 'normal' usage."

 

[Moto G]

I was told Lou was a "highly respected... Blah blah blah etc" the other night - someone almost LEAPT to his defence, in an extremely aggressive manner... Lol... Yeah right... Sure he's a nice enough bloke, but the video is pointless and pathetic, with ZERO engineering knowledge or measurement employed.

May as well have bounced a ball in slo mo, and said it deforms when it hits the ground
...... YOU DONT SAY?...

The internet needs to WAKE UP and use some basic logic - a YouTube channel having had X gazillion views does not automatically mean that the content of said videos is automatically amazing, analytical and insightful... it merely means X gazillion people (or CLICKS) were made on the video URL to see what all the fuss is about. SO SO SO many people fall down at the first hurdle of BASIC LOGIC and critical thinking, automatically assuming that lots of hits = brilliant.

It doesn't matter that MacDonalds is popular and they sell X hundred million cheeseburgers - the quantity sold won't automatically turn them into a la carte premium quality steak burgers.


You can fix many things, but ya can't fix stupid.

 

[mdelvecchio]

Apple has NEVER gone into damage control like this, they must be panicking hard at Cupertino

nope. it's just good sense -- show why it's BS.

 

[bawbac]

Where can I buy your tinfoil hat?

Where can we purchase an Apple helmet and glasses to shield us from anything that is NOT Apple??

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You can fix many things, but ya can't fix stupid.

Or the fact the Apple supporters think that people will not be putting the 6/6+ in their pockets & cause damage.

What's next, special iPhone pants ???

 

[liven2]

Questions to ask...

 

[kobalap]

Or the fact the Apple supporters think that people will not be putting the 6/6+ in their pockets & cause damage.

What's next, special iPhone pants ???

I was making this very same argument yesterday. But in retrospect, it really is a foolish statement. I mean, show me one example and I mean just one example where someone put an iPhone 6+ in his pants and had this problem.

What I think is more likely is that gangnam style marketing is at play.

 

[ucantgetridofme]

Wow Samsung is really in your guys heads aren't they. You sound paranoid blaming everything on Samsung. It's not Samsung's fault Jony I've designed a flimsy phone it's Apples.

 

[Moto G]

What I think is more likely is that gangnam style marketing is at play.

Oh per-leassssse... Spare me that stupid fad. Wasn't even good music, and everyone was going nuts over it.

Then we had that ridiculous goat craze... What the? .... Uhmmm yeah... "Ha ha ha" there you go, there's my token gesture towards your silly fad.

Stuuuuuuuuuupid internets.

 

[Zxxv]

I was told Lou was a "highly respected... Blah blah blah etc" the other night - someone almost LEAPT to his defence, in an extremely aggressive manner... Lol... Yeah right... Sure he's a nice enough bloke, but the video is pointless and pathetic, with ZERO engineering knowledge or measurement employed.

May as well have bounced a ball in slo mo, and said it deforms when it hits the ground
...... YOU DONT SAY?...

The internet needs to WAKE UP and use some basic logic - a YouTube channel having had X gazillion views does not automatically mean that the content of said videos is automatically amazing, analytical and insightful... it merely means X gazillion people (or CLICKS) were made on the video URL to see what all the fuss is about. SO SO SO many people fall down at the first hurdle of BASIC LOGIC and critical thinking, automatically assuming that lots of hits = brilliant.

It doesn't matter that MacDonalds is popular and they sell X hundred million cheeseburgers - the quantity sold won't automatically turn them into a la carte premium quality steak burgers.


You can fix many things, but ya can't fix stupid.

No aggression in that reply and you were told you were reading it wrong. Seems you have a problem. That probably explains why your reacting the way you are.

Lou will be bending some more to anserr the critics like you and also said when he was at apple store he saw people returning their bent 6+ so there are more than9

 

[Stanick]

Exactly this. My main question is, if people that had this happen to them had the phone in their front pants pocket only, and with the screen face down towards the leg as everyone does, not facing outwards, the force being applied by the leg would have had to be in the opposite direction than the phones bent.

The only way for the phones to bend in the way they were shown in the pictures would be by a significant force OPPOSITE to the one being applied by having the phone in a front pants pocket, such as if someone was leaning against a railing, the edge of a table, etc...

That's just simple physics, right? Happy to be corrected?



Are you an engineer? Seems to me you don't have to be to understand that it is pretty obvious that these bending issue did not occur from simply putting the phone in your front pocket. You just have to use some basic logical and critical thinking.

Here I drew it for you...