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Nice try, but that cannot happen. What would they counter sue for? Inconvenience? If that were the case everyone would be culpable. Come-on! Yes - stupid lawsuits happen but you must take the good w/ bad.

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Depending on the way the lawsuit against them was worded, they could potential sue for slander (libel too, if the plaintiff made any public statements regarding the same issues). Very damaging, possibly.

jW
 
Massive Bad Press for a Small Fee

It's all really rediculous. Who doesn't read up about a product prior to purchasing it (impulse buyers), who deserve to get burned buying products before doing their research.

This kind of thing is about Apple's competitors wanting to buy some bad press for the iPhone.

Plaintiffs don't expect to win a case like this - they're just indirectly buying a frequently-repeated headline, such as "Apple sued for iPhone Battery Design".

Regardless of the merits of the case (in this instance, none), people read the headlines and reach a conclusion. Any person who did their due diligence and read up on the iPhone before purchase will know that there was an active lawsuit about the "horrible battery situation".

Slimy, eh?
 
Not even close - but nice try. Coffee is served HOT...it is produced by bringing water to NEAR a boil at around 180-190 degree for optimal extraction of the flavor without the nasties. McD's sold the coffee at CLOSE to the extraction temperature. So what? USE CAUTION! Cowboy coffee is made by dumping coffee ground into boiling water for 3-5 minutes and then dumping a cup of ice or cold water to 'shock' the grounds to the bottom. The coffee is still almost 200 degrees. It is then poured into a cup for consumption.

That case is used to argue both for and against.

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Isn't that basically what McDonald's coffee says now? "Hot: Use Caution" or something to that effect?

I think I understand where people are confused. It's not that McDonald's can't made their coffee 180plus degrees, it's just that if they make it hot enough to cause burns, they should warn you. Now, if you're arguing that McDonald's should be able to sell coffee that is hot enough to cause burns without any warning whatsoever, I just have to ask why. (And no ridiculous examples like how there's no warning on an ice pick to not jam it through your eye. If you don't see the difference, you're hopeless)
 
lol. serves them right. it's RIGHT on the box. what else do you want? a blinking sign? :)




Apple can be the target of many lawsuits, some more justified than others. One widely reported lawsuit at the time of the iPhone's initial launch attempted to sue Apple over the iPhone's sealed battery, limited number of charge cycles and fee for battery replacement.

Bloomberg reports today that the lawsuit has been dismissed without a trial in a summary judgement.

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Isn't that basically what McDonald's coffee says now? "Hot: Use Caution" or something to that effect?

I think I understand where people are confused. It's not that McDonald's can't made their coffee 180plus degrees, it's just that if they make it hot enough to cause burns, they should warn you. Now, if you're arguing that McDonald's should be able to sell coffee that is hot enough to cause burns without any warning whatsoever, I just have to ask why. (And no ridiculous examples like how there's no warning on an ice pick to not jam it through your eye. If you don't see the difference, you're hopeless)

From http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm : During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees.


I am quite sure that McDonald's has now reduced the temperature. If not, I would think they wouldn't have stickers "Warning: Hot" but stickers "Warning: May cause third degree burns". And that, I suppose, would be bad for business.
 
From http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm : During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700 claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of this hazard.

McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is generally 135 to 140 degrees.


I am quite sure that McDonald's has now reduced the temperature. If not, I would think they wouldn't have stickers "Warning: Hot" but stickers "Warning: May cause third degree burns". And that, I suppose, would be bad for business.

I haven't checked but I think it says something like "Hot Contents" or something. I think it's still pretty hot. In my post, I was actually asking the other posters who still feel the lawsuit was frivolous. The purpose of warnings is to introduce information that might change a person's behavior. A sign like "Water might drown" would change anyone's behavior because they already knew that. A sign like "Hot: Contents might burn" would cause some people to let it cool down or be more careful when they open the lid. Everyone expects coffee to be hot. Not everyone expects it to be hot enough to cause physical damage. For those people, such a warning would be helpful.
 
Good Judgement!

Although I personally don't like the way Apple made their portable devices locking the battery. But that's how Apple do their business, sometimes they listen to us but they want to keep some of the things they believe in. What's next they will sue Apple for not having a right clickable trackpad?
 
However, for a phone, losing more than half the capacity isn't acceptible, and phones are a lot more expensive than shavers. Hence, replaceable batteries on phones make sense.

Not really the best analogy.

Hello? Apple will replace the battery for you. It's not user replaceable, but it is replaceable. My shaver doesn't have a user-replaceable battery either. The lifetime of the battery isn't relevant, IMO. If Apple said you needed a new phone and refused to replace the battery then the argument would stand, but they don't - they replace the battery for you.

As for battery covers, many of my phones have had cheap, loose battery covers that often end up coming off or breaking - who wants to see that on their expensive Apple phone?
 

Sorry IJ Reilly, I don't follow these discussions as closely as you do. Being a lay user, I tend to visit the site to read the latest articles and post a quick comment. I hope I didn't ruin the thread for you with that one comment you had already answered in part.
 
Sorry IJ Reilly, I don't follow these discussions as closely as you do. Being a lay user, I tend to visit the site to read the latest articles and post a quick comment. I hope I didn't ruin the thread for you with that one comment you had already answered in part.

Well hardly. I was just pointing out that the question had been asked and answered already. I suppose I was being a bit of a grouch about it. Don't take it personally. ;)
 
Isn't that basically what McDonald's coffee says now? "Hot: Use Caution" or something to that effect?

I think I understand where people are confused. It's not that McDonald's can't made their coffee 180plus degrees, it's just that if they make it hot enough to cause burns, they should warn you. Now, if you're arguing that McDonald's should be able to sell coffee that is hot enough to cause burns without any warning whatsoever, I just have to ask why. (And no ridiculous examples like how there's no warning on an ice pick to not jam it through your eye. If you don't see the difference, you're hopeless)

Why would they have to warn you? Are there warnings in cars like "Do not drive full speed into a mountain gore" and stuff? They shouldn't have to warn people about the obvious, if you pour boiling water on yourself of course you will get burns. That's why all non-mentally-challanged adults do not pour boiling water on themselves. If you are stupid enough to do so, it is your own damn fault.
 
Why would they have to warn you? Are there warnings in cars like "Do not drive full speed into a mountain gore" and stuff? They shouldn't have to warn people about the obvious, if you pour boiling water on yourself of course you will get burns. That's why all non-mentally-challanged adults do not pour boiling water on themselves. If you are stupid enough to do so, it is your own damn fault.

You should become a lawyer. Your logic is flawless. Only retards spill coffee on themselves. haha.
 
You should become a lawyer. Your logic is flawless. Only retards spill coffee on themselves. haha.

Of course only retards spill coffee on themselves. I for one know that coffee is hot, therefor I do not try to open a cup of boiling hot water OVER myself. Just as I do not drive max speed with my car on narrow roads close to a cliff.

If someone spill coffe on themselves it's their own fault for being stupid. They should have done like adults do and actually think before acting.
 
Why would they have to warn you? ...They shouldn't have to warn people about the obvious, if you pour boiling water on yourself of course you will get burns. That's why all non-mentally-challanged adults do not pour boiling water on themselves. If you are stupid enough to do so, it is your own damn fault.

I would not expect to be served coffee that contains boiling water. Just as I would not expect to be served sandwiches with shards of glass in them. Only a "mentally-challanged" (sic) person would serve such a thing. Although the coffee should be made with water that was boiled at one time, there should also be enough time between the boiling and the service as to make the coffee safe. A restaurant that can't master that simple fact just shouldn't be in business.

For my part, I drank McD's coffee exactly once prior to the lawsuit. I carefully opened the plastic spout and sipped according to what seemed to be the obvious appropriate procedure. I received a second degree burn on my lip for my troubles. My reaction was to never buy another cup of McD's coffee; the next time I drank McD's was long after they had solved the problem. Apparently over 900 people took the next step and complained, and one sued. Good for them all.

I sincerely doubt managers at McD's were required to drink their own coffee with a plastic lid on within 60 seconds of the time it was served. If they had, the problem would have been solved a lot sooner.
 
I would not expect to be served coffee that contains boiling water. Just as I would not expect to be served sandwiches with shards of glass in them. Only a "mentally-challanged" (sic) person would serve such a thing. Although the coffee should be made with water that was boiled at one time, there should also be enough time between the boiling and the service as to make the coffee safe. A restaurant that can't master that simple fact just shouldn't be in business.

For my part, I drank McD's coffee exactly once prior to the lawsuit. I carefully opened the plastic spout and sipped according to what seemed to be the obvious appropriate procedure. I received a second degree burn on my lip for my troubles. My reaction was to never buy another cup of McD's coffee; the next time I drank McD's was long after they had solved the problem. Apparently over 900 people took the next step and complained, and one sued. Good for them all.

I sincerely doubt managers at McD's were required to drink their own coffee with a plastic lid on within 60 seconds of the time it was served. If they had, the problem would have been solved a lot sooner.

So what you are saying is you want that disgusting coffee made hours prior to you buying it? Sorry, but coffee is supposed to be freshly made. It is supposed to be served boiling hot, you are not supposed to start pouring it down your throat after 60 seconds though. Can't really sue McD for serving coffe the way it is supposed to be served.

I got no problem tea within seconds after it been taken off the stove, but then again I do not go pouring it all over my face when I drink.
 
Coffee isn't supposed to be boiling, actually...

I think it's great when companies like McDonalds gets sued. The world would be better without them.
 
I second this

Coffee isn't supposed to be boiling, actually...

I think it's great when companies like McDonalds gets sued. The world would be better without them.

I second this. I make coffee for myself every day with a very nice machine I have, and no... the machine heats the water to the perfect temperature where it's hot, but completely drinkable right away. Boiling water is definitely not needed nor the preferred way to make good coffee.
 
I'd love to see replaceable batteries on the iPhone; since I suspect the main reason it isn't replaceable is for planned obsolescence. Apple hope when the battery performance degrades, users will buy a new iPhone rather than send the old one off to have the battery changed. Chances are, they're right.

I disagree. I have one if the first gen iPods which needed a new battery after about 4 years. The cost to replace it was very reasonable, done my local dealer in 5 minutes and works very fine thank you.

No reason to suspect the phone will be any different.
 
I disagree. I have one if the first gen iPods which needed a new battery after about 4 years. The cost to replace it was very reasonable, done my local dealer in 5 minutes and works very fine thank you.

No reason to suspect the phone will be any different.

Except in the battery in the gen 1 iphone is soldered to the main board. So it would be much harder for a user to replace it. Gen 2 iPhones have a connector plug for the battery.
 
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