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Apple is as bad at bloatware as Android is!!
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Another one that doesn't know what real bloat ware is.
Having an app that does not use any system resources that the OS also uses is NOT real bloatware. You gonna tell me the calculator app is also bloatware?
LOL
Looking at the System Monitor app listing I have 109 processes apparently running which is more than I normally have going on the desktop machine. Now, they may not be doing much, but what is healthd doing? Is that for the watch I do not have or ...
Bingo. Bloatware, to me, is the crap you can't keep from even running without going to some length to uninstall it. At least with Apple's superfluous apps, no one ever forces you to run them.
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It's probably for the health kit app (tracking steps or something), which does stuff without the watch.
Well, I've always known Bloatware to be "McAffe Security Suite" that's free for one week, or "Random 3rd party program that's always open in the system tray" or "Free Toolbars you really don't want", not first party applications.
It's like saying the navigation in my car is bloatware because I don't use it. Not used ≠ bloatware. They aren't hogging your system resources, or really crippling your system in any way. Some are undesirable (I don't have any need for the Stocks app) but it's not like its a large app taking up valuable space (*cough NFL Mobile cough*) and it's not ALWAYS open (*cough anything HTC cough*), and its first party, not some deal to advertise to me, so to me it's not bloatware.
Again, it's not just something that's not used, but it's also not just something that's is just from a third party, there's a spectrum between those extremes basically.
I agree. I absolutely miss quite a few great apps on my iPad mini2 e.g. the calculator. Luckely there is PCalc and others which i can also access via my Launcher widget pretty quickly instead of the on board Apple calculator on my iPhone.
I would also like to see those apps use mentioned be an optional download in the App Store (let's say in a separate Apple category to get a quick overview for the newbies).
I also put a huge list of pre-installed Apple apps in a Apple crap folder (16 apps). Thank god we at least have folders.
Some want complete control over their phone, that thankfully is available via jailbreak. Apple wants to control the user experience to the nth degree, which is why they do what they do.
Holy crap, people. It's not that bad. Stick them in a folder, and don't use them. These apps aren't like multi-hundred MB apps. They're 10-20 MB at the very most. Go buy a Galaxy S4 from Verizon and come back and tell me about how Apple is bad with bloat ware.
My GS4 from Verizon had probably 3-4 pages of apps as soon as I took it out of the box. Amazon, eBay, trip adviser, e-wallet something, Verizon sounds, Verizon contacts, Verizon cloud, Verizon this, Verizon that... It literally DOES NOT COMPARE. That phone had 8GB of space being used by the OS and those apps out of the box. You COULD NOT delete these apps. Once kit kat came along, (MONTHS AFTER IT WAS RELEASED, THANKS SAMSUNG AND VERIZON!!!) you could "disable" them. Not delete them. All it did was hide the apps, it was no better than putting them in a folder on iOS.
Galaxy S5 was still pretty bad, but not as bad. Galaxy S6 is much better. But it's exclusive to those phones. Kit kat on the S5 looked better, still clunky and odd, but it was flatter and cleaner in my opinion. Plus that unlock animation was pretty snazzy. Me, thinking it would be like iOS, was excited to have my phone look like that. But no, 90% of the features they add in with new updates are exclusive to the next model. Same situation with Galaxy S5 to Galaxy S6 I believe. The stripped down, cleaned up version of Touch Wiz is exclusive to the S6, same **** on the S5 with the basic lollipop design cues added in.
We are beyond lucky with how you can update an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 and have 99.9% of the stuff you enjoy on an iPhone 6. I don't see the appeal in android, having crappier or missing apps, much more bloat ware, being forgotten about in the next year, delayed updates by manufacturers and carriers, terrible resale value, security issues, performance issues with insane specs. Yeah, the freedom of Android is awesome. I've tried it. But I don't see those huge disadvantages listed before acceptable in any way shape or form. iOS is by no means perfect, Apple has been slipping with its quality control big time, and is becoming buggier, laggier, and slower with every release. But i just don't get how you people can call iOS as being infested with bloat ware. I would consider bloat ware as more shady apps, not made by the manufacturer, not working right, or actually taking away from the experience in some way. Not just a few extra utilities made by the manufacturer. I don't know. I really need to stop, don't I?
My GS4 from Verizon had probably 3-4 pages of apps as soon as I took it out of the box. Amazon, eBay, trip adviser, e-wallet something, Verizon sounds, Verizon contacts, Verizon cloud, Verizon this, Verizon that... It literally DOES NOT COMPARE. That phone had 8GB of space being used by the OS and those apps out of the box. You COULD NOT delete these apps. Once kit kat came along, (MONTHS AFTER IT WAS RELEASED, THANKS SAMSUNG AND VERIZON!!!) you could "disable" them. Not delete them. All it did was hide the apps, it was no better than putting them in a folder on iOS.
Galaxy S5 was still pretty bad, but not as bad. Galaxy S6 is much better. But it's exclusive to those phones. Kit kat on the S5 looked better, still clunky and odd, but it was flatter and cleaner in my opinion. Plus that unlock animation was pretty snazzy. Me, thinking it would be like iOS, was excited to have my phone look like that. But no, 90% of the features they add in with new updates are exclusive to the next model. Same situation with Galaxy S5 to Galaxy S6 I believe. The stripped down, cleaned up version of Touch Wiz is exclusive to the S6, same **** on the S5 with the basic lollipop design cues added in.
We are beyond lucky with how you can update an iPhone 5 to iOS 8 and have 99.9% of the stuff you enjoy on an iPhone 6. I don't see the appeal in android, having crappier or missing apps, much more bloat ware, being forgotten about in the next year, delayed updates by manufacturers and carriers, terrible resale value, security issues, performance issues with insane specs. Yeah, the freedom of Android is awesome. I've tried it. But I don't see those huge disadvantages listed before acceptable in any way shape or form. iOS is by no means perfect, Apple has been slipping with its quality control big time, and is becoming buggier, laggier, and slower with every release. But i just don't get how you people can call iOS as being infested with bloat ware. I would consider bloat ware as more shady apps, not made by the manufacturer, not working right, or actually taking away from the experience in some way. Not just a few extra utilities made by the manufacturer. I don't know. I really need to stop, don't I?
Android aside that doesn't excuse Apple from filling their phones with their bloat. Only time they don't is when older devices don't get the privilege of the app for free (or at all) like Numbers, Pages, etc. So why not do that with Newsstand, Health, Apple Watch, etc?
Its obvious they bake a lot of those apps in because they make more money if you utilize them from buying books, or a watch, or whatever...
Like you mentioned, stick them in a folder and don't use them. That folder on my iPhone has more apps then any other folder I have.
Giving someone a pass because the competition is worse is IMO a very bad approach.
I would think your 10-20 mb estimate is on the lower side of the Apple Watch app size. I'm just basing that on their other apps though. Happen to have a source for that?
I just bought a Motorola Moto X (2nd gen) and it comes with no bloatware. Even the Motorola stuff, specifically designed for the phone, has to be manually added and turned on. None of my Nexus devices (I've had 4 of them had any bloatware.)
My iPhone 6 has plenty of garbage bloat that I will never use (tips? Really? I need a dedicated app for tips!), don't want and hate to see on my homescreen, but I am forced to look at that stupid folder every single day.
So, to say that Apple is nowhere near as bad as Android in terms of bloatware is a falacy. In fact, Apple is bursting with bloatware compared to Moto and Nexus.
Clearly there are a range of definitions of what is bloat ware. Your definition compared to mine is a bit loose.
My main issue is apps that are pre-installed need to wait until there's a whole OS update for them to update and improve the app. It makes the system archaic and the point of apps is they improve over time, not yearly.
The podcast app is terrible and if they offered it through the App Store and updated it regularly, similar to the calendar app then they'd be better. As opposed to waiting a whole year to update them, in addition to the OS, which probably means less features as it's negated by the fact the OS team need to update all the apps, add new overall OS features etc.
The podcast app is terrible and if they offered it through the App Store and updated it regularly, similar to the calendar app then they'd be better. As opposed to waiting a whole year to update them, in addition to the OS, which probably means less features as it's negated by the fact the OS team need to update all the apps, add new overall OS features etc.
With 100 million + idevices varied comments like this are expected, as in another thread a poster was complaining about iOS 5.1 on an iPhone 4. The good old Apple must have been prior to iOS 5.1.
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In my opinion, there is no bloat on IOS 8.3, only one or two apps I wonder what the included purpose it. All apps, IMO, relate to something related to the ecosystem, even if you think it's a money grab, there are alternatives.
There are two apps I haven't used, one is because I don't have an apple watch yet, and the other is because I don't track my portfolios on my iPhone.
It's not that they get a pass, it appears what they are attempting to is have a baseline of apps and being Apple that baseline is not controllable. But I consider all the apps to be useful, not hogging running system resources and related to the Apple ecosystem. That is not the definition of bloatware, which has been morphed into any program or application I want to delete. As we know on the iphone, that is not happening.
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They can both be pre-installed AND able to be updated. Google does that all the time. Maybe some day Apple will join them.
the point is the same....why make them mandatory. I never use them
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great...so make them optional installs...
I'm getting sick and tired of people whining about the 
watch app. Hide it away in a folder somewhere. Out of sight, out of mind.
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Reminds me of one of the famous "I'm a pc, I'm a mac" ads where Mac is talking about how it is ready to go out of the box without the need to download or install anything. People liked that, but I guess when it comes to phones, people despise that functionality.
watch app. Hide it away in a folder somewhere. Out of sight, out of mind.----------
Reminds me of one of the famous "I'm a pc, I'm a mac" ads where Mac is talking about how it is ready to go out of the box without the need to download or install anything. People liked that, but I guess when it comes to phones, people despise that functionality.
I'm getting sick and tired of people whining about the
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Reminds me of one of the famous "I'm a pc, I'm a mac" ads where Mac is talking about how it is ready to go out of the box without the need to download or install anything. People liked that, but I guess when it comes to phones, people despise that functionality.
OMG Even though I can hide the Apple watch app, I know it's there!!! It keeps me awake at night thinking about it. Making that app part of the os is socialism! Thanks Obama.
Agreed, some of the default apps could be made into after-market downloads. When you have the time, perhaps you'd like to send Apple some feedback. There is power in numbers
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
I have used this a few times and one of the times was for this very reason. Not that I think one or two emails will do anything but here is hoping quite a few people send something in.
I've put much more useless Apps that I'll never use than Apple has.
I actually use the Apps in question more than half the crap I've installed.
To each their own, I suppose?
As stated before: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
I actually use the Apps in question more than half the crap I've installed.
To each their own, I suppose?
As stated before: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
People forget that Apple is targeting the broadest consumer base possible with their phones.
If all those apps were deletable, people would have no default way to: search a map, check the weather, watch videos, make a reminder, read a pdf or ebook, check their steps, video chat, find their way using a compass
Note that I did not mention the function of every app listed. Sure, newsstand seems a bit annoying, stocks unnecessary for most people, apple watch certainly nothing more than some good old fashioned marketing...
But yes, outside of quicklook people need default apps to play and store media.
Not everyone is tech savvy, and apple wants a unified default experience across all it's devices.
Grab someone's phone, and with the set of default apps, you can always find your way to do most of everything you need to do.
3rd party apps that may do things better or more efficiently come secondary.
The main difference there is that you chose to install those apps, and you could choose to uninstall them as well.