Apple is as bad at bloatware as Android is!!

[kupkakez]

A good chunk of the preinstalled apps to me are junk and the ones that can get uninstalled (i'm looking at you pages, numbers, garageband, iTunes u, keynote, iMovie) get uninstalled immediately. The ones that can't FaceTime app, stocks, weather, tips, voice memos, contacts, calculator, compass all get moved to a junk folder. I wish some of those could be removed. I don't need a dedicated calculator app icon etc when I can get to it from the control center thingy by swiping up.

 

[mrex]

Apple is as bad at bloatware as Android is!!

until you go out to the play store and it wants an "update" for that google app you just deleted

if you have deleted them, it doesnt update them either because there are nothing to update - either when you cant delete them but only disable.

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I don't have a problem with any pre-loaded, un-removable app

i dont either have a problem (no ios or android) but i dont want to loose space for nothing...

 

[I7guy]

A good chunk of the preinstalled apps to me are junk and the ones that can get uninstalled (i'm looking at you pages, numbers, garageband, iTunes u, keynote, iMovie) get uninstalled immediately. The ones that can't FaceTime app, stocks, weather, tips, voice memos, contacts, calculator, compass all get moved to a junk folder. I wish some of those could be removed. I don't need a dedicated calculator app icon etc when I can get to it from the control center thingy by swiping up.

You forgot the health app. However I cannot envision Apple allowing the deletion of "bloat ware" as they don't even allow you to roll back an iOS upgrade.

 

[kupkakez]

You forgot the health app. However I cannot envision Apple allowing the deletion of "bloat ware" as they don't even allow you to roll back an iOS upgrade.

I actually use the health app though.

 

[J.gerbes]

Sorry, but you cannot possibly compare that to amount of carrier bloatware that is preinstalled on an Android phone.

I second this. At least the apps Apple preinstall are used by many users.

 

[MarcusCarpenter]

If apple were to make all these "bloatware" apps downloadable from the AppStore that would mean they could issue updates to them without issuing brand new OS updates.

 

[Jsameds]

Apple stop pushing your bloatware onto my iPhone! I don't want an Apple Watch therefore I don't need your apple watch app. I don't read books on my phone so I don't need iBooks on my phone. These should be optional & downloadable if someone wants them. Instead you are eating my precious storage up!

You'll be happy to know that Apple have removed bloat in 8.3

8.3 uses ~300MB less than 8.2

Any unwanted stock apps just stick them in a folder. So there we go - reduced space, improved performance and less buggy whilst maintaining 100% functionality.

Everyone wins.

 

[crashoverride77]

Apple stop pushing your bloatware onto my iPhone! I don't want an Apple Watch therefore I don't need your apple watch app. I don't read books on my phone so I don't need iBooks on my phone. These should be optional & downloadable if someone wants them. Instead you are eating my precious storage up!

Another one that doesn't know what real bloat ware is.
Having an app that does not use any system resources that the OS also uses is NOT real bloatware. You gonna tell me the calculator app is also bloatware?
LOL

 

[I7guy]

Another one that doesn't know what real bloat ware is.
Having an app that does not use any system resources that the OS also uses is NOT real bloatware. You gonna tell me the calculator app is also bloatware?
LOL

Yep, I think that is what is being said. By the definition in the thread; bloat ware is anything YOU don't want on your phone. Of course one can pick any definition Apple doesn't allow core apps to be deleted.

 

[Jsameds]

Here's my total "crap" folder
maps, weather, videos, reminders, stocks, ibooks, newsstand, health, apple watch, facetime, podcasts, game center, compass, tips, and voice memos.

Oh how I'd love to delete them all.

It sounds like you're better suited to a Nokia 3310 than an iPhone

 

[C DM]

Another one that doesn't know what real bloat ware is.
Having an app that does not use any system resources that the OS also uses is NOT real bloatware. You gonna tell me the calculator app is also bloatware?
LOL

It isn't on the iPad by default.

 

[rockitdog]

Yep, I think that is what is being said. By the definition in the thread; bloat ware is anything YOU don't want on your phone. Of course one can pick any definition Apple doesn't allow core apps to be deleted.

I agree. And sorry, apps like Apple Watch, iBooks, health, Podcasts are all things I don't want/ need on my iPhone and should be able to delete if I want to because of the amount of space take up and yes, they do take up space!

 

[Jsameds]

I agree. And sorry, apps like Apple Watch, iBooks, health, Podcasts are all things I don't want/ need on my iPhone and should be able to delete if I want to because of the amount of space take up and yes, they do take up space!

If you're worrying about a couple of hundred megabytes (maximum) then stop buying 16GB devices, maybe...

As I've already said, 8.3 reduces the bloat whilst maintaining 100% functionality and improving performance - but meh, some people are never happy.

 

[TechZeke]

Here's my total "crap" folder
maps, weather, videos, reminders, stocks, ibooks, newsstand, health, apple watch, facetime, podcasts, game center, compass, tips, and voice memos.

Oh how I'd love to delete them all.

I also have a "stock" folder where I keep all this, though I still need to use half of these periodically.

I think what it is, is that Apple considers these core features of iOS, but it's in the form of an "app". You can't "delete" your iPhone's ability to pair with Apple Watch, for example.

 

[Rodster]

I think what it is, is that Apple considers these core features of iOS, but it's in the form of an "app".

One man's treasure is another man's junk. I don't use or have any need for Podcast, iBooks and a few others. Apple should just let you download what you need. And as someone else mentioned, if you allow people to download what they need then the App can get an update rather than waiting for an OS update if it's baked in to the OS release. I was unaware of this. I know Google updates all of their built-in core Apps thru the Google Play Store.

 

[Jsameds]

Here's a few Apple app sizes in MB from the store:

Find My iPhone - 5.9
iTunes U - 30.1
Find My Friends - 6.1
Apple Store - 21.4
Remote - 25.1
Airport Utility - 8.4
WWDC - 6.6
iTunes Connect - 6.3

Average 14.5MB

So you can roughly figure out how much space you'd save if Apple removed the apps you don't need by 'Number of Apps x 14.5'

For most of you if you could remove the apps you don't want you'd save less than a hundred megs. It's peanuts, really. Quit making such a big deal out of it.

 

[TechZeke]

One man's treasure is another man's junk. I don't use or have any need for Podcast, iBooks and a few others. Apple should just let you download what you need. And as someone else mentioned, if you allow people to download what they need then the App can get an update rather than waiting for an OS update if it's baked in to the OS release. I was unaware of this. I know Google updates all of their built-in core Apps thru the Google Play Store.

I agree, but like I said, I think these are core features of iOS that are simply put in as an "app".

For example, what if there was a separate "Bluetooth" or "Wi-Fi" app that handles all the connectivity instead of it being buried in the system preferences app? I suspect Apple could have buried the Apple Watch preferences into the system preferences and no one would care.

People complain about iBooks, but it's also how iOS natively views locally stored books and PDF files.

 

[C DM]

Here's a few Apple app sizes in MB from the store:

Find My iPhone - 5.9
iTunes U - 30.1
Find My Friends - 6.1
Apple Store - 21.4
Remote - 25.1
Airport Utility - 8.4
WWDC - 6.6
iTunes Connect - 6.3

Average 14.5MB

So you can roughly figure out how much space you'd save if Apple removed the apps you don't need by 'Number of Apps x 14.5'

For most of you if you could remove the apps you don't want you'd save less than a hundred megs. It's peanuts, really. Quit making such a big deal out of it.

Keep in mind that hose are compressed installations and what the app actually takes up when installed is usually somewhat more. Then there's also caching which also increases the space that is taken up by data related to the app, sometimes by a lot, which can be cleaned out by deleting (and reinstalling) the app, but can't be done with default apps basically. Furthermore, the fact that those few apps from Apple in the App Store take up any particular amount of space doesn't really mean that some default ones might not be taking up much more.

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I agree, but like I said, I think these are core features of iOS that are simply put in as an "app".

For example, what if there was a separate "Bluetooth" or "Wi-Fi" app that handles all the connectivity instead of it being buried in the system preferences app? I suspect Apple could have buried the Apple Watch preferences into the system preferences and no one would care.

People complain about iBooks, but it's also how iOS natively views locally stored books and PDF files.

If someone wants to view PDF files or have books they can install iBooks, like they could for years until it was baked into iOS just recently. Certainly isn't a "core" item really all of a sudden after all these years.

 

[Jsameds]

Keep in mind that hose are compressed installations and what the app actually takes up when installed is usually somewhat more. Then there's also caching which also increases the space that is taken up by data related to the app, sometimes by a lot, which can be cleaned out by deleting (and reinstalling) the app, but can't be done with default apps basically. Furthermore, the fact that those few apps from Apple in the App Store take up any particular amount of space doesn't really mean that some default ones might not be taking up much more.

Good point I hadn't thought of that.

I'll have a rummage round in iFile on my JB iPad tonight, see if I can find some stock app sizes, unpacked.

 

[Rodster]

I agree, but like I said, I think these are core features of iOS that are simply put in as an "app".

For example, what if there was a separate "Bluetooth" or "Wi-Fi" app that handles all the connectivity instead of it being buried in the system preferences app? I suspect Apple could have buried the Apple Watch preferences into the system preferences and no one would care.

People complain about iBooks, but it's also how iOS natively views locally stored books and PDF files.

But the other point is, if indeed these core Apps are baked into the OS and if updates only occur upon a OS update then it would be better to just put them in the App Store and update them on an 'as needed basis'. The Podcast app based on reviews gets low scores.

 

[TMRJIJ]

But we shouldn't have to do that. We shouldn't have to have unwanted and unused apps thrown into a folder. Apple used to be better than that.

In what way was Apple better than this? There was never an option to delete stock apps.

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Here's my total "crap" folder
maps, weather, videos, reminders, stocks, ibooks, newsstand, health, apple watch, facetime, podcasts, game center, compass, tips, and voice memos.

Oh how I'd love to delete them all.

Maps? FaceTime? iBooks?? Why did you buy an iOS device anyway? You could of just bought a silly feature phone. Four of the apps you listed are what makes smartphones in general great.

 

[C DM]

In what way was Apple better than this? There was never an option to delete stock apps.

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Maps? FaceTime? iBooks?? Why did you buy an iOS device anyway? You could of just bought a silly feature phone. Four of the apps you listed are what makes smartphones in general great.

Better at least in the sense that less non-core stock/default apps were included in the past.

As for features, not everyone needs those particular ones, and even those that do often like to use other versions of them, like Skype or something else over FaceTime, or some other book reader app, if they even need/want one at all, or some other maps application that works better for them. Watching sports is great on TV, but TVs don't come with sports stuff pre-loaded on them just because of that, and not everyone by far cares about sports, or watches the same sports channels as many others.

 

[I7guy]

But the other point is, if indeed these core Apps are baked into the OS and if updates only occur upon a OS update then it would be better to just put them in the App Store and update them on an 'as needed basis'. The Podcast app based on reviews gets low scores.

Podcasts take up 544kb. Certainly less than the bandwidth used discussing deleting it.

 

[Rodster]

Podcasts take up 544kb. Certainly less than the bandwidth used discussing deleting it.

It's listed as a 13 MB app on the App store. It could appear smaller because it hasn't launched or decompressed. But like I mentioned before, some have said core apps get updated via OS updates. If an app is downloadable then it could be updated on an as needed basis.

 

[Solomani]

Nothing is as bad as Android bloatware…. well except for Microsoft BLOAAAAATware.

But sure you have a point, Apple should not install Watch apps by default on iPhones since it's nowhere certain that the majority of iOS customers would even care to own one.