iPhone X Apple is losing its mainstream, non-fan core with the X

[JediZenMaster]

I have seen this too. If there is a post saying someone bought an iPhone 8 because they didnt need the iPhone X, they are subjected to **** like you mentioned. Somehow not being able to afford iPhone X or being able to afford it but not buying it is a bad thing which makes me wonder if this place is full of 15-20 year olds who dont really know how the world functions.

If that has been happening that sucks. I honestly haven’t gone into the iPhone 8 threads or anything.

If someone has an 8 and happy with it then I give them props. It’s gonna be so interesting when technology gets augmented to the point to where the iPhone is pretty much a dumb hub.

Oh I can’t wait to see those discussions.

 

[d123]

I don’t know whom your referring to but ignore is starting to become a good thing.

You haven’t noticed the poster with an extremely smug superior attitude to whom the X is nothing but a status symbol because it’s the most expensive phone?

As @Shanghaichica mentions, he even adds his (alleged) beach house and (alleged) trophy wife to his equipment list in his sig.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

You haven’t noticed the poster with an extremely smug superior attitude to whom the X is nothing but a status symbol because it’s the most expensive phone?

As @Shanghaichica mentions, he even adds his (alleged) beach house and (alleged) trophy wife to his equipment list in his sig.

Everyone and their mom has an iPhone these days. Even if we are talking about having the latest phone in someone’s possession. I would never consider that a status symbol. lol

 

[d123]

Everyone and their mom has an iPhone these days. Even if we are talking about having the latest phone in someone’s possession. I would never consider that a status symbol. lol

And I would wholeheartedly agree

 

[BladeRunner95]

Few people where I work have got the X, but I think the difference compared to previous new model launches is the excitement is gone, nobody really cares about the X, whereas even up to the 7 people were much more interested in having a hands on with the new model. Surprising in a way, seeing as it's a big departure in terms of design.

No real surprise to see rumours of Apple slashing X sales forecast for Q1 2018 by 40% (30m units from 50m). Currently hurting supplier stocks quite a lot.

 

[dazed]

No one cares what you or your office is doing.

Taking it a little personal ain’t you?

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

Few people where I work have got the X, but I think the difference compared to previous new model launches is the excitement is gone, nobody really cares about the X, whereas even up to the 7 people were much more interested in having a hands on with the new model. Surprising in a way, seeing as it's a big departure in terms of design.

No real surprise to see rumours of Apple slashing X sales forecast for Q1 2018 by 40% (30m units from 50m). Currently hurting supplier stocks quite a lot.

As I said before. A smaller form factor may have turned a percentage of ppl off. The price seems ridiculous for a phone. And in the end the biggest things Apple tries to promote is face id. And Animoji. Which if I had a phone that was still serviceable. I would keep it. Those two features they promote so much aren’t really moving the needle.

 

[gavroche]

The last thing I think about is whether or not my iPhone model is popular with the masses.

This. I've been using Apple since the beginning. Long before IDevices. They never had 10% market share in anything back then. Now I got to listen to young people bash Apple fire no better reason than they hate the "big guy."

 

[44267547]

As I said before. A smaller form factor may have turned a percentage of ppl off. The price seems ridiculous for a phone. And in the end the biggest things Apple tries to promote is face id. And Animoji. Which if I had a phone that was still serviceable. I would keep it. Those two features they promote so much aren’t really moving the needle.

Face ID will still be an acceptance factor for some in technology overtime. Animoji's don't hold any value to me, but the technology behind the Animoji's with the 3D mapping is fairly interesting to see where this will be leading in the future.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

As I said before. A smaller form factor may have turned a percentage of ppl off. The price seems ridiculous for a phone. And in the end the biggest things Apple tries to promote is face id. And Animoji. Which if I had a phone that was still serviceable. I would keep it. Those two features they promote so much aren’t really moving the needle.

This hits the nail on the head. If FaceID has been put on a device priced the same as the iPhone 8, I think we’d see more people accepting it and understanding it. Unfortunately it’s hidden on a phone that is priced stupidly high and isn’t compelling enough in itself to tempt the core iPhone user to spend the extra £300.

It’ll be more accepted when it’s made available to the mass market to try but knowing Apple I think they’ll try and milk another year of exclusivity.

A lot of people don’t look at the specs of iPhones and simply upgrade due to familiarity too. They want the latest iPhone and compare prices which leads them to ask why one is more expensive? When you say it’s got FaceID and Animojis plus an OLED screen, I think that draws people to look at the 8 more closely as none of that is particularly thrilling in its own right. Some can justify the cost or it’s insignificant and others make choices based on the monthly cost. I think the mass market focuses on price these days as it’s consistently rising.

 

[macher]

This hits the nail on the head. If FaceID has been put on a device priced the same as the iPhone 8, I think we’d see more people accepting it and understanding it. Unfortunately it’s hidden on a phone that is priced stupidly high and isn’t compelling enough in itself to tempt the core iPhone user to spend the extra £300.

It’ll be more accepted when it’s made available to the mass market to try but knowing Apple I think they’ll try and milk another year of exclusivity.

A lot of people don’t look at the specs of iPhones and simply upgrade due to familiarity too. They want the latest iPhone and compare prices which leads them to ask why one is more expensive? When you say it’s got FaceID and Animojis plus an OLED screen, I think that draws people to look at the 8 more closely as none of that is particularly thrilling in its own right. Some can justify the cost or it’s insignificant and others make choices based on the monthly cost. I think the mass market focuses on price these days as it’s consistently rising.

Everyone average iPhone user I talk to always say ‘but it’s $1000’. Now these are average iPhone users. A fan boy will pay blindly and doesn’t care. A fan boy wants the latest and greatest. Nothing wrong with it but most iPhone users are average iPhone users who aren’t fan boys. I’m not knocking fan boys because they have their own perception of the value.

 

[Radon87000]

Everyone average iPhone user I talk to always say ‘but it’s $1000’. Now these are average iPhone users. A fan boy will pay blindly and doesn’t care. A fan boy wants the latest and greatest. Nothing wrong with it but most iPhone users are average iPhone users who aren’t fan boys. I’m not knocking fan boys because they have their own perception of the value.

I am guessing it will take some time for this to go mainstream. Unfortunately I don't see Apple reducing the price of the X next year. On the contrary I am expecting the iPhone X Plus at the $1200 base price point. Once all phones reach this pricing tier $1000 may start becoming acceptable among he masses.

I expect Apple,to release a compromised X with an LCD display at $700 but that will be inferior to the current iPhones in many ways.

 

[macher]

I am guessing it will take some time for this to go mainstream. Unfortunately I don't see Apple reducing the price of the X next year. On the contrary I am expecting the iPhone X Plus at the $1200 base price point. Once all phones reach this pricing tier $1000 may start becoming acceptable among he masses.

Maybe but they might still offer an SE model. Personally I had the X for 2 weeks and returned it. Not because of price. Actually if you break it down with carrier 0% financing the X is like $7 more a month than the other generations. Why I returned the X was because of the footprint of whole device. Yea I wanted a bigger screen but didn’t want to compromise the better footprint of the 6/7/8 chassis. I would have liked a edge to to edge screen on the 6/7/8 chassis because with a medium protective case I can use the footprint better than the X footprint.

 

[Radon87000]

Maybe but they might still offer an SE model. Personally I had the X for 2 weeks and returned it. Not because of price. Actually if you break it down with carrier 0% financing the X is like $7 more a month than the other generations. Why I returned the X was because of the footprint of whole device. Yea I wanted a bigger screen but didn’t want to compromise the better footprint of the 6/7/8 chassis. I would have liked a edge to to edge screen on the 6/7/8 chassis because with a medium protective case I can use the footprint better than the X footprint.

Quite honestly if Apple hadn't destroyed my 7 Plus battery life and home button on iOS 11 I would not have gotten the X. I like huge screens and the X is still a compromise in that aspect but the full screen effect is awesome. I can't imagine how beautiful the X Plus would be with a 6.3 screen.

 

[macher]

Quite honestly if Apple hadn't destroyed my 7 Plus battery life and home button on iOS 11 I would not have gotten the X. I like huge screens and the X is still a compromise in that aspect but the full screen effect is awesome. I can't imagine how beautiful the X Plus would be with a 6.3 screen.

I would have kept my 7 if my wife didn’t want a smaller iPhone than her 6S Plus. So we got an 8 non Plus on her line and I took the 8 non Plus and she took my 7 non Plus.

I actually prefer the 7 because it’s more industrial looking than the glass back of the 8.

Don’t have any issues with the 7 battery life etc.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Everyone average iPhone user I talk to always say ‘but it’s $1000’. Now these are average iPhone users. A fan boy will pay blindly and doesn’t care. A fan boy wants the latest and greatest. Nothing wrong with it but most iPhone users are average iPhone users who aren’t fan boys. I’m not knocking fan boys because they have their own perception of the value.

Yeah the ‘but it’s £1k’ response has been the elephant in the room in my experience. You’re not going to get interest discussing it with people if they’ve already decided it’s too expensive.

 

[browser740]

Apples sales numbers will say otherwise

And they are out this morning, AAPL down sharply in pre market trading...

 

[boltjames]

Just saw a Verizon commercial. Buy 1 iPhone 8 and get 1 free.

Buying 1 to get 1 free also requires, you know, buying one. The gutter deals on Android phones are $0 and don't require the purchase of anything. Just walk into a budget carrier storefront, pick your crappy Android off the wall, and walk out with a 2 year contract no money down.

Again, the "mainstream core" iPhone userbase has changed. Gone are the days where you can go into a carrier and walk out with a $0 iPhone or get its step-up for $99. People now have to pay real money for their iPhones.

So, yeah, you will still see the mop man at Burger King talking on his $0 iPhone 5C, but that's the end of the line for that generation of consumer. The ex-con on his first day out of his 5 year stint in county prison isn't walking out of AT&T with a new $350 iPhone. He's walking out of MetroPCS with a new $0 Android.

 

[lsutigerfan1976]

Technology has plateaued to the point where we really aren’t going to see anyone come out with anything mind blowing soon. Cell phone companies are trying to hook ppl into these yearly upgrade programs. But the companies that actually manufacture the phones just can’t push new cool phones every year.

This is also I think something that hurts Apple. Why trade in your phone if there isn’t much to trade up to? If that makes sense. Customers are starting to look at the new phones. See that they aren’t that different than the old ones. And shrug their shoulders thinking, I’ll keep what I got for now. I don’t see anything worth upgrading to. Yet Apple is still supposed to sell their iPhones like hot cakes. That’s not realistic.

 

[macher]

Buying 1 to get 1 free also requires, you know, buying one. The gutter deals on Android phones are $0 and don't require the purchase of anything. Just walk into a budget carrier storefront, pick your crappy Android off the wall, and walk out with a 2 year contract no money down.

Again, the "mainstream core" iPhone userbase has changed. Gone are the days where you can go into a carrier and walk out with a $0 iPhone or get its step-up for $99. People now have to pay real money for their iPhones.

So, yeah, you will still see the mop man at Burger King talking on his $0 iPhone 5C, but that's the end of the line for that generation of consumer. The ex-con on his first day out of his 5 year stint in county prison isn't walking out of AT&T with a new $350 iPhone. He's walking out of MetroPCS with a new $0 Android.

People don’t have to pay real money. You can get 0% carrier financing for flag ship phone whether it be an iPhone X or Samsung S8, Note8 etc from the premium carriers.

We are talking flagships not the lower end Android devices or pre paid carriers.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

Buying 1 to get 1 free also requires, you know, buying one. The gutter deals on Android phones are $0 and don't require the purchase of anything. Just walk into a budget carrier storefront, pick your crappy Android off the wall, and walk out with a 2 year contract no money down..

Moving the goal post I see.

Please respond to this

And they are out this morning, AAPL down sharply in pre market trading...

 

[boltjames]

Moving the goal post I see.

Please respond to this

Moving no goalposts. The conversation has been about $0 iPhone's and the fact that they no longer exist and cost real money now, just like the rest of Apple's premium product lines. BOGO's for an iPhone 8 and getting one free costs a consumer $699 at a minimum and the second phone isn't free at the moment of purchase, you have to plunk down $1400 immediately. The carriers refund the money over the course of the first 3 billing cycles.

Respond to what? That financial speculators who blow with the wind for a living are antsy after another disappointing Christmas at retail?

Respond to this: In under two months the iPhone X has sold 35 MILLION UNITS generating $43 BILLION DOLLARS in revenue, that's more than Amazon.com did in sales last fourth quarter. If that's what happens when the freeloading cheapskate Kia $0 iPhone 5C consumers are forced out of a premium brand they do not deserve and kicked to the curb for Android and are replaced by wealthy executive BMW types, I'd say that Apple is in fine shape. It's only been their business model since 1980.

 

[Falhófnir]

Buying 1 to get 1 free also requires, you know, buying one. The gutter deals on Android phones are $0 and don't require the purchase of anything. Just walk into a budget carrier storefront, pick your crappy Android off the wall, and walk out with a 2 year contract no money down.

Again, the "mainstream core" iPhone userbase has changed. Gone are the days where you can go into a carrier and walk out with a $0 iPhone or get its step-up for $99. People now have to pay real money for their iPhones.

So, yeah, you will still see the mop man at Burger King talking on his $0 iPhone 5C, but that's the end of the line for that generation of consumer. The ex-con on his first day out of his 5 year stint in county prison isn't walking out of AT&T with a new $350 iPhone. He's walking out of MetroPCS with a new $0 Android.

I find it quite funny that people see iPhones as status symbols, most everybody has access to $/£/€ 1,000 credit - it's not like you're driving around in a hundred grand Bentley or something, but some people seem to think their iPhone makes them a bit of a cut above

 

[boltjames]

I find it quite funny that people see iPhones as status symbols, most everybody has access to $/£/€ 1,000 credit - it's not like you're driving around in a hundred grand Bentley or something, but some people seem to think their iPhone makes them a bit of a cut above

The iPhone X is $1,250 or 40% more than the most expensive Android and exactly $1,250 more than 'free'.

"Even my cleaning girl has an iPhone" ain't happening anymore. Sure, she can buy a used iPhone 5C for pennies on Craigslist, but she's not getting an iPhone 8 or an iPhone X. Those cost actual money now, no more carrier subsidies. That gravy train is over. She can help herself to about a dozen Android's if she wants a new no-cost smartphone.

So the other side of the "Apple is pricing consumers out of the market" is that "Apple is making a premium product for elites". You can argue that anyone can get $1000 in credit and I can show you 40% of the population that either can't qualify or won't pay that much and will therefore be leaving the Apple ecosystem. Besides myself, the other people I've seen with an iPhone X are wealthy executives and their offspring.

 

[ToroidalZeus]

Respond to what? That financial speculators who blow with the wind for a living are antsy after another disappointing Christmas at retail?

Respond to this: In under two months the iPhone X has sold 35 MILLION UNITS generating $43 BILLION DOLLARS in revenue, that's more than Amazon.com did in sales last fourth quarter. If that's what happens when the freeloading cheapskate Kia $0 iPhone 5C consumers are forced out of a premium brand they do not deserve and kicked to the curb for Android and are replaced by wealthy executive BMW types, I'd say that Apple is in fine shape. It's only been their business model since 1980.

Strawman argument. Fact is analysts had to downgraded their sales expectations of iPhone X because it's not selling as well as expected. Whether it generated more money than [insert arbitrary metric] is a strawman.