I’ll bet your devices will be on iOS 12.
Power mgmt is much easier to “prove” than the meme planned obsolescence.
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Power mgmt is much easier to “prove” than the meme planned obsolescence.
It seems my iPhone 6S battery isn’t being throttled too much but my battery life is still poor compared to iOS 10. This was immediately noticeable the moment I downloaded iOS 11. Are we on the fifth iOS 11 update now and this still isn’t fixed?
I have never trusted Apple the slightest ever since I heard about Touch Disease which was their own fault but asked the customer to pay up. In reality there is a gate issue in every iPhone which won’t really show up until the phone is old. It will show up on iPhone X as well as it’s a first Gen design and I know how first Gen designs are when it comes to Apple. Just like the original iPhone 6 it’s currently hamstrung by lesser RAM and is flushing apps from memory on 11.2 so the similarities are already there.
If you want to keep your phone on top notch performance and battery life just never update the device. I am extremely happy with the iPad Pro and iPhone X on their respective iOS versions.
My iPhone X is perfectly safe from Apple’s meddling on iOS 11. I won’t let them cripple the device on 11 like they did my 7 Plus which is now extremely irritating to use after using the X and enjoying it’s all day battery life. I go to bed with my X battery at around 25-30%. My 7 Plus is dead at 3PM. That’s how Apple destroyed my 7 Plus. And then have the nerve to tell me my battery life is just fine.
Good point
Touch disease was taken care of egregiously.
Charging everyone a replacement fee, claiming all of it is because of dropping the phone even if it isn’t visibly damaged or shattered on outside. Unbelievably absurd
I'll agree and say I don't believe it's planned obsolescence.
I do, however, believe Apple did this for two reasons :
1. Keep phones that have undervolted batteries working
2. Avoid having to replace these batteries en-mass.
2. Is unacceptable. And 1. Is to avoid/cover up for 2.
Why should we be empathetic towards apple’s bottom line? Are they a mums and pops shop without any cash reserve?
You must remember that Samsung made a comeback from their exploding Note 7 in 2017. Any other company would have gone bankrupt and closed shop and I mean a company like HTC, Xiaomi or any of the normal brands. If Samsung can get away with it, it’s child’s play for Apple.
The iPhone is almost too much of a cash cow for them to be affected by these minor events and Apple knows it. Even an exploding phone can’t stop them so what can?
Do I need to show you another screenshot of my 2017 iPad on iOS 10? That was an extremely difficult decision considering the noteworthy tablet improvements on iOS 11 but I am not about to compromise the fundamentals of my usage for them.
The X stays on iOS 11. I will get X Plus for iOS 12 as I want a huge screen.
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Its not fixed on older devices. If you have the time and energy you could install a battery profile by Apple on your phone, use it for a day or two and then submit the logs to Apple. That's what I did.
I did all of that stuff and got this response. Particular point to note is that when I submitted these logs my battery usage was 7.5 hours of usage and 12 hours of standby as against 10+ hours of usage on iOS 10 and it hasn't improved by a noticeable amount since 11.0
They also ruined the fast solid state home button of iPhone 7 and coupled with this response and a futile trip to the Apple Store, I gave up and bought the X
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Important point to note. Pocketnow is a pretty reliable site and this is whats written
"Worse yet, this type of undisclosed performance downgrade by way of a software “update” might have become company policy, as suggested by a similar deterioration of benchmark scores for the iPhone 7 after the iOS 11.2 “promotion.”
To our knowledge, the iPhone 7 never exhibited the same glitchy behavior as the 6s, so Apple can’t justify the abrupt drop in theoretical (and practical) CPU speed as a necessary preservation method.
That leaves the old “planned obsolescence” conspiracy theory as the only logical explanation for this evidence-backed move. Basically, Apple seems to be intentionally slowing down previous iPhone generations starting at an arbitrary point in order to convince people to buy newer devices."
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Of course planned obsolescence exists. Its the rational design process between cost and longevity. Today the term is used as a meme to denote companies that find nefarious ways to make the usage of their products difficult, to force you into buying the next gen products.
One way to show these companies up, is to buy the competitions products. Nobody really does that however, and hypocrisy seems the order of the day.
Yes to summarize. There appear to the batteries with differing discharge characteristics that were causing random shutdowns. To combat these shutdowns apple has introduced advanced power management where longevity gets priority. All phones will probably get this power management sooner or later.
Did I summarize that correctly?
Good luck with this entire trust thing. When and if, apple goes in a direction, counter to my requirements...I will find another vendor.
How can all phones get this power management when not all iPhones are slowing down, even 2 year old phones?
That is the question I'm asking. The code is obviously the same on all phones:
if <some battery condition> then
* advanced power management
else* normal power management
That's the way I figure it.
That's if a users phone actually slows down in real world usage and the user notices it.
Bring it into apple for diagnostics.
But the diagnostics generally say the battery is "healthy".
Even if the battery is at 80% health, there's no reason to suspect that it's slowing anything down, and even Apple stores are said to be telling people there's no relation between battery and CPU.
Apple needs to change that. As I said previously, I'm guessing the quality program will be quietly expanded.
What I don't understand, is that there has always been a relationship between battery and cpu. When the battery on a laptop is almost depleted the cpu goes into power saving mode. You can override that I believe, buts that windows.
The diagnostics only detect a problem if your battery health is less than 80%. The throttling is happeneing even on the 90% battery health threshold
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If Apple changes that then they would have to give out free battery replacements on all iPhones currently supported. Thats not going to happen
Or the 90% measurement is not correct.
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No, Apple would need to determine exactly what constitutes a battery replacement and that universe receives a new battery.
Its never been there on iphones. My X and 7 Plus never throttle by large amounts except at absurdly low battery levels. Some of these phones throttle in the sixties and seventies and the wear really isnt that high at 91% health
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Coconut battery is extremely accurate. Unless that app shows your battery health below 80% it will not show up as a problem on Apple's diags. Those who have had the throttling are having their phone show up fine at the Store and many have paid to get it replaced out of warranty
Then they better get a move on and refund the customers who paid for no fault of theirs
There's a relationship between power consumption and CPU, naturally. But there's generally no relation to battery health and CPU unless it's deliberately implementated.
I suspect people would be rather understanding of the device going into low-power state (and clearly so) when the battery level is down to very low levels.
Even so, I'm curious how many people actually put the phone into "low power mode" when their battery is low, vs how many want all their normal services to continue regardless.
Yesterday is yesterday, today is today. Things change.
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I know nothing about that program, but unless it's the same program that apple in their in store diagnostics one won't get the same results.
Tell that to apple. Applecare buys you a two year window.
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Since low power mode is now in the control center and easy to access. I charge the phone, unplug it and then put the phone into low power mode.
Well, if it's easy to provide proof that 'advanced power management' is used to prolong product life, why don't you provide that proof?
I am telling you right now my iPhones do not throttle. So how are CPU and battery related? And why aren't iPads affected by this power management?
Both coconut battery and Apple diags access the same API for getting the Wear level. I paid money to get imazing which is a dedicated program for battery stats. They all report the same Wear level or almost the same within a margin or error.
I did not buy Applecare on my X. I don't abuse my phone so why should I buy AppleCare. If my battery is deteriorating faster than usual I want to be informed and have it replaced for me. It's certainly not my fault. Not only do I have a subpar battery they are also throttling the phone asking the customer to pay.
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At the end of the day, Apple's not going to do anything. I think regardless of the reasons the point is all older iPhones will be slowed down in the future except if you never update the phone. So follow the exception.
The real solution-,Stay on the shipped iOS version. No throttling delays or battery drain. That's what I am doing my 2017 iPad Pro and iPhone X. It's the immediate solution.