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Always great to hear. Trying to subjugate people by the ruling of a 2000 year old book is maddening.

Trying to force religious rules onto people that might not of that religion is maddening full stop.

Not every ethical debate is about or based on religion. If you use Kant's categorical imperative to assess the ethicality of gay marriage you will conclude that if all people practice, mankind will extinct. I understand and respect their opinion and do not label their view as religious-driven (a lot of course are, but not all). Just like u they also are entitled to their opinions on what's ethical and you are being intolerant to stereotype them in one way.
 
Everyone is prejudiced by their own background and world view. I've seen a lot of prejudice in this very thread against Christians. Why are people tolerant of that?

As I said in a previous thread, there is being "intolerant" and then there is supporting those who fight to take away rights.

We disagree with those who are against us by vocalizing our disgust. They disagree by trying to pass laws against us. BIG difference.
 
It is when someone's beliefs on their "god" work to actively take away the rights of others. NOM and many anti-LGBT rights groups have used your justification to impose their beliefs on others. This was the same arguments used to justify bigotry in interracial marriage and many other disgraces in social justice. Further, marriage laws recognize more rights than civil unions, so it is not simply an issue of what it is called.

Educate yourself on the law before spouting your opinions and beliefs as fact.

You keep talking about "rights". Is that the real issue? benefits and such? Because that could be taken care of.

But want I suspect by rights is that you want to impose your will on any religious group to force them to accept gay marriage as equal and moral in the sight of their religious creed and doctrine. You will never get that, especially with your lack of tolerance for different viewpoints.
 
It's good that a bare majority of the court recognizes civil rights for gay people. It's also annoying that religionists appear more determined than ever to push their nonsense on the rest of us.
 
Everything about Apple suggests gay marriage should be accepted and legally recognized.

1) the color of the original logo, a human message.
2) the fact that the apple has a bite. I recently learned that could be linked to Alan Turing–a homosexual English mathematician/computer scientist who committed suicide in prison after being accused of homosexuality. He poisoned himself by eating a poisoned apple.

I think homosexuality is a very important value to Apple, anchored deep inside the company. Everybody is free to have an opinion, even multi-billion companies.

I–for one–am glad that homosexual unions are being allowed around the world.
 
Whichever side of the issue you come down on, I think it's refreshing to see corporations willing to take a stand on an issue they feel is important. I get sick of how so many companies are afraid of what their shareholders and others will think.

As someone else said in this thread, "Corporations are people." We would all benefit if people could remember that more often.
 
Period? its this sort of black and white thinking that makes the situation as unhealthy as it is right now. "I'll tolerate your opinion as long as it matches my views."

There are even gay folks who are against gay marriage. Let me guess they are traitors and closet homophobes right?

Where did I call you a homophobe? If a gay person is against gay marriage, then they are also against gay rights.

I don't tolerate your opinion, by the way. However, I respect your first amendment right to have one. I would never advocate taking that right away from you. Why not give me and my community the same respect?
 
I think the constitution is pretty clear on this, everyone has to be treated equally so obviously gays have to be allowed to marry.
The constitution makes no such guarantee. There are countless examples where the government does not treat people equally.
 
Everyone is prejudiced by their own background and world view. I've seen a lot of prejudice in this very thread against Christians. Why are people tolerant of that?

Of course, but as a society we progress and recognize irrational prejudices. Are you seriously saying I should be tolerant of racists? That's dumb.

I personally think religion is a bit silly in this modern age. But it doesn't bother me that people buy into it. It's mostly harmless. It's when religion makes its way into infringing on rights such as these, that's when I have a problem with it.
 
Not everyone who is against gay marriage is automatically a homophobic, hatred filled bigot, nor are they against gay rights.

How does that work? No one can be against 2 people being together just because they're the same gender unless they have some kind of prejudice against same sex couples because by definition, it doesn't affect them in any way. Also, by definition, they ARE against gay rights because they don't believe gay people should be treated equally. Don't forget this isn't about a privilege, it's about equality.

Should I hate everyone with a girlfriend or wife I'm not personally attracted to? I don't think I should, I don't think I do and I don't think it makes any difference to me who someone else spends their life with or dates. There's only 1 coupling that is genuinely wrong and no cultural apologist nonsense can change that fact and that's child marriage in the adult marrying a child sense of the word.
 
As I said in a previous thread, there is being "intolerant" and then there is supporting those who fight to take away rights.

We disagree with those who are against us by vocalizing our disgust. They disagree by trying to pass laws against us. BIG difference.

Interesting, you're assuming everyone who opposes this passes laws against a people group and automatically assume that the other side only vocalizes?

Let's see how this plays out in the future. I suspect we will see the "intolerance" spreading to anyone that disagrees and a whole new discrimination take place.

In any case, as usual, respectful discourse seems to be at an end, replaced with shouting and accusations.
 
Apple really should keep their mouths shut on political issues, as should all businesses. Employees are free to have their opinions, but they need not project those opinions onto the brand.

That is a business decision. Same as there decision to give money to a political campaign or not. It this case I think Apple WANTS to project their political opinions onto the brand.
 
Everyone is prejudiced by their own background and world view. I've seen a lot of prejudice in this very thread against Christians. Why are people tolerant of that?

Religion, sexual preference, whatever. Everyone should be allowed to express their feelings and religion in the way that they see is fit, unless it harms other people.

If everyone could accept that, we would be living in a much better place.
 
You keep talking about "rights". Is that the real issue? benefits and such? Because that could be taken care of.

But want I suspect by rights is that you want to impose your will on any religious group to force them to accept gay marriage as equal and moral in the sight of their religious creed and doctrine. You will never get that, especially with your lack of tolerance for different viewpoints.

You are beyond ignorant. As others have rightfully stated. Claiming my intolerance of hatred and bigotry as "intolerant" has been attempted as a justification for a long time, and is quite frankly laughable.

This is especially for you:
Louis Black - Gay banditos
http://youtu.be/o-id4GKsaQk
 
Interesting, you're assuming everyone who opposes this passes laws against a people group and automatically assume that the other side only vocalizes?

Let's see how this plays out in the future. I suspect we will see the "intolerance" spreading to anyone that disagrees and a whole new discrimination take place.

In any case, as usual, respectful discourse seems to be at an end, replaced with shouting and accusations.

Who is being disrespectful?

As I said, people seem to confuse "intolerance" with "discrimination". When gay rights activists actively pursue legislation to take away the rights of those who disagree then we can talk. Thus far, the "discrimination" has been wholly one-sided.
 
Marriage equality for all people stings doesn't it?

Good luck trying to goad me. Unlike most people these days I'm not easily baited. I guess I could try to bait you by using logic or expressing any opinion you disagree with.
 
why is Apple even getting involved with this ?

Would have never happened had SJ been around. It is complete stupidity. Congrats Apple, great job.
 
Now I know the CEO is gay, but what the hell has a giant international electronics corporation have to do with Gay Marriage Law exactly? It should be staying well away I think, we'll have BP next talking out about adoption laws!

But seriously Apple should stay far away from subjects that have nothing to do with it, if anything it's attempting to influencing government policy too much.
 
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