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You have to watch the EXACT language. This is the 14th amendment. It does not say "treat everyone the same". Read the text of the 14th:



What this means is you can't carve out a special group of people and say the law applies to them in some different way. That is different from "must be treated equally"

This was written right after the US Civil War. The intent was to stop Southern states from writing different laws for white and black people. The interpretation has been expanded over the years to include many other groups. (What's hard to believe was that for over 100 year prior to this states WERE allowed to writes laws that applied only to one group of people. The 14th tried to put a stop to that. It is still trying)
Exactly my point.
 
Apple really should keep their mouths shut on political issues, as should all businesses. Employees are free to have their opinions, but they need not project those opinions onto the brand.

While I applaud the rulings today, I agree completely that my "brands" do not need to have an opinion (A human trait) on such matters. Once a corporation does an opinion can quickly become an agenda. Release a statement internally if you must.
 
Read a history book. Seriously.

I've undoubtedly read more history than you. In any case, I'm through with this thread. I participated mainly to see how much courtesy and respect people would show and got my answer.

I guess I can say "hate" has a new face?
 
Where did I call you a homophobe? If a gay person is against gay marriage, then they are also against gay rights.

I don't tolerate your opinion, by the way. However, I respect your first amendment right to have one. I would never advocate taking that right away from you. Why not give me and my community the same respect?

Not parallel comparisons but whatever, no point continuing this charade.

Thread has played out just as i envisioned.
 
I've undoubtedly read more history than you. In any case, I'm through with this thread. I participated mainly to see how much courtesy and respect people would show and got my answer.

I guess I can say "hate" has a new face?

Get off the cross, someone else needs the wood.
 
"Corporations are people, my friend."

I was speaking from a purely business perspective, and not any legalistic one. And besides, Apple didn't need to let people know that it was LGBT friendly, it has always been pretty obvious.
 
Not everyone who is against gay marriage is automatically a homophobic, hatred filled bigot, nor are they against gay rights.

Amazing how you contradicted yourself within one sentence. Bigots are often clueless about their bigotry because they really don't want to admit to themselves that they have a problem.
 
why is Apple even getting involved with this ?

Would have never happened had SJ been around. It is complete stupidity. Congrats Apple, great job.


Now I know the CEO is gay, but what the hell has a giant international electronics corporation have to do with Gay Marriage Law exactly? It should be staying well away I think, we'll have BP next talking out about adoption laws!

But seriously Apple should stay far away from subjects that have nothing to do with it, if anything it's attempting to influencing government policy too much.




These posts are about as credible as a Digitimes rumor. Apple, long before Jobs death, has been a staunch supporter of gay rights. Under Jobs, Apple donated $100,000 in 2008 to fight Prop 8. This was on their web site:

Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees’ same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person’s fundamental rights — including the right to marry — should not be affected by their sexual orientation.


Perhaps you remember this, long before the "gay CEO" was at Apple.

In the early 90's, Apple was set to build a huge $80 million office complex in Round Rock, Texas. A tax break which was originally slated for Apple was subsequently taken away after Williamson County expressed disapproval of Apple's equal rights policy for gays. At the time, residents in the community even took to wearing pins which read, "Just Say, No! An Apple today will take family values away."

Apple officials said [..] that as a matter of both principle and economics the company would not build on the 128-acre site in Williamson County unless the tax break is restored, and Gov. Ann W. Richards was left pleading with the company to look at other sites in Texas. Apple officials said that while they would entertain lobbying by Texas officials for other sites, they also planned to look outside the state.​

Williamson County, however, soon changed their tune amidst much controversy.

More here

http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/apple-and-steve-jobs-have-long-been-champions-gay-rights
 
obviously they would use the rainbow apple logo for this announcement...

Just to make it clear, the logo was MacRumors' choice, not Apple's. Apple (via a spokesperson) simply provided the two-sentence statement to AllThingsD.

MacRumors has also busted out this old logo a time or two in the past for similar occasions. :)
 
Someone has hate in their heart

Not hate but I do have strong feelings on this subject. This really has nothing to do with Apple. If Tim Cook wants to come out publicly on this subject and face the media then he should do that. Stand up and be counted rather than hiding behind the Apple corporate blanket to protect himself. He's a coward. If you believe in something stand up and say so. I believe gay marriage is wrong and I'm willing to put my head up and say so in public.
 
Not parallel comparisons but whatever, no point continuing this charade.

Thread has played out just as i envisioned.

It's an emotional issue. I imagine if your rights were being violated you would be as passionate as some of us are. It's easy to judge and be a backseat driver when your life isn't being effected. It's a little harder for us whose lives are being effected.

Today was an amazing day for civil rights. I do find some comfort, however, in those who are genuinely upset about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. It's pathetic really.
 
Let me get this straight.

Its wonderful and praiseworthy when Apple releases a statement in support of gay rights, but when Chik-Fil-A releases a statement supporting marriage between a man and a woman they are picketed and boycotted.

Before I get quoted and bashed, I believe that "rights" should not be associated to the institution of marriage in the first place.

Uh, when Chick-Fil-A released that message, at least here in the south, the lines stretched down the street and people waited for hours to get a chicken sandwich in support.
 
"Corporations are people, my friend."

No, they are made up of people, but the collective whole exists to make provide products that produce a profit. Religion, politics, etc, need to be left out of that. Individuals are free to have their own opinions though. Take the military for example, we're not allowed to endorse ANY political candidate or cause publicly while representing the U.S. military (as in, in uniform, on duty, etc). Companies should be the same way.
 
Now I know the CEO is gay, but what the hell has a giant international electronics corporation have to do with Gay Marriage Law exactly? It should be staying well away I think, we'll have BP next talking out about adoption laws!

But seriously Apple should stay far away from subjects that have nothing to do with it, if anything it's attempting to influencing government policy too much.

Obviously, you don't fully understand the concept of a company's BRAND identity. It includes culture and philosophy as well. What is Aveda known for? Natural products and environmental responsibility. That's their BRAND.
 
To the contrary. Since Apple is headquartered in California (as is Google) they have a direct interest in the California proposition 8 rulings which the Supreme Court ruled on today. Ensuring that California treats their employees with equality under the law has a direct bearing on their ability to attract and retain top talent.

Why should companies like Apple or Google not fight for change that will ensure that their employees are treated equally under the law?

Apple do not need a law to do this. For example, if they think women are unfairly paid or unfairly represented they can pay them more or employ more of them. They don't need a law to coerce or encourage good behaviour, they should have done that anyway and let that action be their political stance.
 
It's an emotional issue. I imagine if your rights were being violated you would be as passionate as some of us are. It's easy to judge and be a backseat driver when your life isn't being effected. It's a little harder for us whose lives are being effected.

Today was an amazing day for civil rights. I do find some comfort, however, in those who are genuinely upset about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them. It's pathetic really.

You find comfort in things you find pathetic? Time for some help.
 
How does a gay couple reproduce?

- They don't

Reason why it needs to be illegal^

I believe people have the right to choose. I also believe that this isn't any of the fed's business. If the people of a state choose to ban gay marriage, that's their decision, but many states are for it and the feds shouldn't be deciding this kind of thing for the entire nation. I suppose federalism is the new fad... Tyranny of the majority is all that'll ensue.
 
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