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If this news was about a Windows, Android, Nokia or other phone - it would be a FIELD day in here.

On the other hand it would be ignored by the rest of the world, part of fragmentation seems to be that bad news dissolves into galaxy of ****** plastic phones. With a company like Apple that 1) is so high profile and 2) is responsible for every aspects of it's products, it's under the microscope and will take immense flak for this.
 
Integrating a new POI database itself would take months and months, even if one was easily available (which it isn't).

To hell with poi, they're nice.
Sort maps out, they matter, incorrect maps and navigation can kill! Poi's get you to mcdonalds.
Some dim fool will follow them off a cliff, and yes they should not be relying on a smartphone but Apple offer turn by turn navigation, the fact it might drive you into a wall should NEVER have been allowed to happen.
Seriously how long till some Government department makes it illegal to use Apple equipment in a vehicle?
Faulty brakes, tyres and suspension are illegal. After this debacle will navigation equipment be subject to regulation? Stupid stupid stupid! What a clusterf.ck
Apple have betrayed trust in the most insane manner,it may be due to bad middle management or incompetents.I do not believe that the senior directors had any idea.clean house,dump the application and buy some safe map data, OS sell it to mapping companies in the Uk and it will not kill you!:apple::eek:
Disclaimer, I have seen errors in satellite and maps missing towns etc I have not personally been misguided.Press and reports indicate that this is an issue.
 
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Why don't they just buy Garmin and OpenStreetMap? In one fell swoop you have two much better mapping databases than TomTom, the former with turn by turn, and the latter with a whole infrastructure for community-based expansion.

Bam, done, and Apple would still have billions and billions and billions of dollars left in reserves.

Are you smoking crack? It will NEVER happen. Apple is stuck with Tom Tom. Garmin produces their own standalone GPS devices and licenses some of the mapping tech as apps for the iphone. Garmin is too internationally big for Apple to buy out and is one of the more successful GPS companies in the world.

Garmin knows what the F--- they're doing.

And it's one of the reasons why Apple is trying to compete with the GPS makers because the iphone is trying to be EVERYTHING to everyone. It makes no sense for Apple to buy a GPS manufacturer when they have their own hardware already.

Hell, Garmin's got a nice touchscreen GPS device on the market. This is their latest model: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=401&pID=96637
 
On the other hand it would be ignored by the rest of the world, part of fragmentation seems to be that bad news dissolves into galaxy of ****** plastic phones. With a company like Apple that 1) is so high profile and 2) is responsible for every aspects of it's products, it's under the microscope and will take immense flak for this.

Agreed. The price you pay for being "#1"
 
Why would it take months? There is nothing special about a POI database, just business information, address, and coordinates.

Well for a start the co-ordinate metadata is very unlikely to be compatible, you have to sort out scaling, do full scale testing etc etc.

I'm seeing search results from Yelp that don't show up on the map itself, so that is another source for populating and checking the maps.

Also, if I owned a restaurant/boutique/etc, I would be making sure my Yelp listing was up-to-date now, and reporting any problems to Apple. It's basic SEO, and I have done the same with Google in the past. Come to think of it, that's probably where much of Google's information came from in the first place.

I wouldn't neccessarily say it's a no brainer. Unlike Google, if you're a small company listings in Yelp cost money. If you don't do a lot of walk in business there may be very little advantage.

Meanwhile getting your Google listing right is pretty important, even for a mail order company.
 
When the iPhone first came out in 2007, Google gave them a license to use their map data for 5 years and to access youTube (owned by Google) directly. These licences just ran out and Google did not get renewed. Either Google said "this will make people get more Android phones" or Apple didn't want to pay the new licensing fee (which must be enormous now with all those IOS devices out).

So Apple had no choice but to remove the apps from IOS. They made a good effort to replace the Maps app in a hurry, they were likely expecting Google to renew the license or have their own map by then.

On the other hand, I hear Google has already submitted their own map to the App Store. They already gave us the youTube app (which is sadly not yet available in my country for some reason...).
 
When the iPhone first came out in 2007, Google gave them a license to use their map data for 5 years and to access youTube (owned by Google) directly. These licences just ran out and Google did not get renewed. Either Google said "this will make people get more Android phones" or Apple didn't want to pay the new licensing fee (which must be enormous now with all those IOS devices out).

So Apple had no choice but to remove the apps from IOS. They made a good effort to replace the Maps app in a hurry, they were likely expecting Google to renew the license or have their own map by then.

On the other hand, I hear Google has already submitted their own map to the App Store. They already gave us the youTube app (which is sadly not yet available in my country for some reason...).

Yes - the license ran out. My guess - since Apple started acquiring mapping companies 3 years ago - that they planned on not renewing.

Apple always had a choice. They could suck up and pay for even a 1-2 year license to get their Maps in shape whatever the cost to SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS BEST or deal with the fallout.

Is it possible Google wouldn't consider a negotiation - sure - but I bet the right amount would have made it palatable.

Google has NOT submitted an App as per the latest new stories. Previous reports were rumors.
 
Sounds like everyone is fine with it, doesnt it? Why would we want to pay top dollar for an inferior service?

Inferior because Flyover is buggy? Excuse me while I go sulk in my sadness because a map isn't as awesome as I had hoped even though Google has already submitted their own Maps app to Apple.
 
3rd party apps for public transportation directions like Garmin and Embark are being called "extensions" of Apple maps for iOS6, but can anyone explain to me (or better yet, know of a video) how they integrate with Apple maps, if at all? As in, can you search for a location in Apple maps and transfer it to the 3rd party app? Or do you have to switch over and start from scratch?

Really hard to believe Apple thought this was an appropriate option when Embark is only select cities and Garmin Navigon is $40+ (and that's the "special discounted" price).

As a side note, there's some chatter on apple discussions that there's (again) a battery drainage problem on 4S, I'd appreciate feedback from users to see if this is a widespread problem?

For the first time in a while I'm actually a bit terrified to update my phone, probably holding on to iOS5 for quite some time...

Thanks
 
There's definitely a difference between a Service Provider (Google) and a Hardware Provider with some service offerings (Apple).

Google inherently wants to target many markets and hardware platforms... Web (targeting desktops... PC, Mac, Linux, etc.) and Mobile (iOS, Android, and probably Windows Phone).

Apple... doesn't often go beyond OSX and iOS. That they have iTunes and some offerings for Windows is noteworthy... and that's because iTunes and iCloud made a quick leap to becoming a Service, with the former being a revenue generator.

I doubt we'll ever see a web-based Apple Maps. And because of that, they may never put the effort into it that Google has.

I totally agree, and precisely for that reason Apple Maps may never be real competition for Google Maps, more of a helpful tool that your phone has access to and not a reliable service like Google Maps.

Of course if Apple allows Google Maps to appear in the iOS store, then at least people will have choice - those who don't use maps so much and only perform simple local searches (provided that Apple improves the app) then they can stick with iOS maps. People who use maps more and perform a lot of searches can then download Google Maps and use that instead.
 
It's amazing the amount of bologna going on around here.
Other major companies such as Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Amazon, they mess up so much worse and no one talks about them. But when Apple has releases something with a problem, everyone jumps in just to say "Aha...I knew you weren't perfect, you suck like the rest of us." Whatever...Get a life will you, punk?
 
It's amazing the amount of bologna going on around here.
Other major companies such as Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Amazon, they mess up so much worse and no one talks about them. But when Apple has releases something with a problem, everyone jumps in just to say "Aha...I knew you weren't perfect, you suck like the rest of us." Whatever...Get a life will you, punk?

How many times will it take for Apple to mess up before its legion of fans look at them as the company they are vs the fantasy they hold?

I'm not saying Apple isn't a good company. I'm just curious how long this halo effect can/will last.
 
You're kidding me, right? I've found entire neighborhoods that have been in existence for 15 or more years missing...
But there IS good news! I'm often late for meetings and I now can simply say, "Sorry guys...I'm on IOS 6...";)

Please share if you have more than 5 neighborhoods. Please. go ahead.
 
So Apple had no choice but to remove the apps from IOS. They made a good effort to replace the Maps app in a hurry, they were likely expecting Google to renew the license or have their own map by then.

do you work there or how do you know that they "had NO choice"? btw. they make a hell of a money with these phones so I doubt they had no choice.
 
How many times will it take for Apple to mess up before its legion of fans look at them as the company they are vs the fantasy they hold?

I'm not saying Apple isn't a good company. I'm just curious how long this halo effect can/will last.

It depends on your point of view. If you believe that Apple is just like everyone else, then ok granted the halo/fantasy you speak of is gone. But for the most of us it is not a fantasy and will not be gone until Apple stops outpacing everyone else on every release.
 
It's amazing the amount of bologna going on around here.
Other major companies such as Google, Microsoft, Samsung, Amazon, they mess up so much worse and no one talks about them. But when Apple has releases something with a problem, everyone jumps in just to say "Aha...I knew you weren't perfect, you suck like the rest of us." Whatever...Get a life will you, punk?

it's because they removed a better product to replace it with their own crappy product. additionally it's the way they present it: they basically always say their stuff is superior over all the other crappy products. they should be more realistic in the way they present this. btw. when google releases something it just works.
 
To hell with poi, they're nice.
Sort maps out, they matter, incorrect maps and navigation can kill! Poi's get you to mcdonalds.
Some dim fool will follow them off a cliff, and yes they should not be relying on a smartphone but Apple offer turn by turn navigation, the fact it might drive you into a wall should NEVER have been allowed to happen.
Seriously how long till some Government department makes it illegal to use Apple equipment in a vehicle?

Did governments actually make it illegal to use any other GPS turn by turn equipment? Because wrong roads and driving into lakes were possible with almost all solutions.
 
How many times will it take for Apple to mess up before its legion of fans look at them as the company they are vs the fantasy they hold?

I'm not saying Apple isn't a good company. I'm just curious how long this halo effect can/will last.

Why do you care what ppl think of apple? Do you own stock in a competitor?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around why it matters to you if Apple has fans?
 
it's because they removed a better product to replace it with their own crappy product. additionally it's the way they present it: they basically always say their stuff is superior over all the other crappy products. they should be more realistic in the way they present this. btw. when google releases something it just works.

Not true about Google. I've developed apps for Android when it first came out. It had many issues. Google has been always held up high on my list and probably always will.
 
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