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I'm pretty sure there won't be a 8GB 3GS or a touch with camera.
An 8 GB model of the iPhone would be a huge step backwards and wouldn't allow for apple to reduce the pricing very much. The memory is not what makes the iPhone expensive.
An iPod Touch with camera is a nice thought, but unless it's a useless video-only camera like in the ipod nano, it wouldn't fit the current form factor. And I don't think people want a thicker iPod touch.

8Gb 3GS: you are wrong. It's cheaper to manufacture a lower end version of the 16GB and 32GB versions than to keep manufacturing the 8GB version of the 3G alongside the 3GS. The 8GB 3G is still flying out the stores and is an absolute hit. If the memory is the most expensive part as you say, than it would from a cost point of view make sense to replace the 8GB 3G with the 3GS.

iPod Touch with Camera: Sorry, wrong again. It has already been seen several times in spy shots and confirmed by several trustworthy sources that Apple was close to introducing this a few months back. They retracted it because of manufacturing or other difficulties. Due to memory, OS and usability, the inclusion of a camera in the iPod Touch makes more sense than in the iPod Nano.
 
This is my opinion about what will go down on Jan 26th.

PART ONE - LAPTOPS

- Jobs will come on stage and say that this event is all about mobility.
- He will start off with the MacBook Pro's. All of them will be updated with the base 13" going to 2.66 and the 15 and 17 getting arrandales (like the Imac 21.5 and 27). Same goes for the Macbook air wich will have glass track-pad and glossy display
- New MBP need to go with updated Cinema Displays. Dont have any idea on size but one thing is for sure all will be LED backlit

I really don't see this happening. Unless Apple is introducing a new hardware or software feature they will update (speed bumps etc) the laptops silently as they always have.

Apple will certainly not update form factor or software features as both have just been done (unibody and Snow Leopard). Minor updates to the laptops like you mentioned with the Macbook Air will be done silently too as was the case with the unibody MacBook Plastic.
 
I feel like you're the only one who "gets it." That said, I was about to post something similar! :D I especially like how you picked up on Apple not supporting the older hardware in iPhone OS 4.0. I've been saying that for awhile and believe it is very likely, especially when they add in support for multitasking, which I will get to later.

This is how Apple announcements go, and they've left room at the bottom of their line in the iPhone and iPod Touch space for these bumps. This also makes sense as it was announced recently that Toshiba had found a way to double their capacity for cheap. EOL'ing the iPod Classic makes sense also, as a 128gb Touch would replace it quite well. iPod Touch with camera is an almost certainty at this point.

As for iPhone OS 4.0, I'm not sold on a release in January, but it' is possible (more on that in a minute). Apple usually announces the next version around March, makes the SDK available in beta for several months, and then releases the final version along with the iPhone updates in the summer. I would think that Apple could, perhaps, preview the coming OS update. Although it has been awhile since 3.1.2 was released--three months in a week.

If there is no iPhone OS update by the end of January then we might expect to hear something. Looking back on the timeline of iPhone OS updates, the last update before 2.0 was February 27, 2008 and then it was updated to 2.0 on July 11. The last update before 3.0 was on January 27, and it was updated to 3.0 on June 17th. I know it's only 2 years worth of data, but they've stayed around 4.5 months between the last update and the next version of the OS. If we don't see an update in January, then it is likely that the October 8th update to OS 3.1.2 will be the final update, barring a security patch on the scale of the SMS vulnerability.

So what does this mean? Well it might mean nothing, or it might mean that that iPhone OS 4.0 is coming out around Valentine's day. Given that the event is on January 26, Apple might do a delayed release making it available two weeks later. What I'm saying is probably completely wrong, but it is plausible, especially if Apple has gotten to the point where they can release 4.0 and it won't mess with developer's existing code, therefore not requiring an advance notice. This also plays to their advantage, 1. They won't have 125,000-ish apps resubmitted for approval based on 4.0 standards and 2. The older iPhone hardware wouldn't play nice if everyone made their apps 4.0 required (because of the lack of support for the older hardware, which I'll also get to briefly).

In addition, it is also possible that the tablet device could be running 4.0, and that this version is only supported on iPhone 3GS / 3rd gen iPod Touches as well due to higher hardware requirements. Could we see multitasking? Perhaps they have gotten their power management under control during the tablet development. However, on the iPhone and Touch it would probably see a limited implementation--such as 3-5 3rd party apps running at a time. I would prefer to see this done in the style of how mobile Safari handles tabs, similar to the Palm Pre's cards. The other day there was a JailBreak app released that does this beautifully.

Finally, the Macbooks and Pros. I doubt they would go with a silent update if they update the processor, as these will be updated to the Intel Core i3 and Core i5 processors, which is kind of a big deal. nVidia is still fighting with Intel over chipsets and even the feds have gotten involved. The integrated graphics of the new Intel chipsets is below the performance of the current nVidia 9400 series, so if we see updates in the processors, we will also see discrete graphic cards in the Macbooks and 13" MBP. This would also warrant further need for something more than a silent update, and Apple would probably play it up to be some big advancement to finally have discrete graphics in their lower end offerings and how they did it for performance and the consumer. I give this two possible scenarios, as I'm sure Apple has already made decisions to go ahead with these new processors. Either 1. They announce new updates in January and make them available by the end of Feb / beginning or March, or 2. They simply wait and hold a press event around the middle to end of March. Maybe nVidia will be allowed by then? This second scenario seems more likely, as the Mac Pro recently had a silent update and theoretically more time should pass before it is updated. In addition, it would probably be a more significant update to the new Intel 6-core processors. This would also be a good time for minor speed bumps in the iMac line and perhaps even the Mini.

So there are my long-winded thoughts and predictions. I'm just using simple logic based on what Apple has done before, patterns we've seen, industry news, and a sprinkle of rumor. Nothing fancy or groundbreaking. All the information is out there. I'd say that I'll probably be at least 70% right when everything is said and done. Sometimes things get pushed back to later events too. I mean there has to be some crap to show at WWDC, besides a 10.7 preview. But it will be fun times until then!

Or, you could just say, "Apple will continue to innovate with regular software updates and upgrade its existing line of products to use the latest hardware that makes economic sense."

;)
 
That 10 million goal to me says this device is going to have some sort of must have functionality that we don't know about. Very Apple style, whip up a market no one has even thought of yet and be THE example of how to do it right.

Well, it'll be an all in one device, mobile internet device, ebook reader, game device, video chat device, remote presentation controller, etc, etc... wrapped in a nice apple interface, locked into the iTunes App store for total control of the device.

People learned the limitations of the iPhone, and if it's as restricted as the iPhone, many might stay away, no matter how purdy it is.
 
... wrapped in a nice apple interface, locked into the iTunes App store for total control of the device.

People learned the limitations of the iPhone, and if it's as restricted as the iPhone, many might stay away, no matter how purdy it is.

A few might stay away. But more people have purchased iPhones over the last couple years than less-restricted Macs. And iPod Touches roughly doubles that number. Why wouldn't Apple go with what a larger number of customers are responding to with their pocketbooks?
 
Looking forward to this event, and the announcements that will likely be made. I am very excited to see what Apple will come up with...
 
A few might stay away. But more people have purchased iPhones over the last couple years than less-restricted Macs. And iPod Touches roughly doubles that number. Why wouldn't Apple go with what a larger number of customers are responding to with their pocketbooks?

Yeah but iPhone/Touch is a pocketable device. the Tablet won't be nowhere near as portable or durable, and at $1k rumored price that'll be expensive, and that probably wont include a data plan.

Don't get me wrong, i'm excited to see what it'll be, but I'm a bit of a realist, knowing what type of business model Apple has been using since the success of the locked down iPhone platform.
 
I really don't see this happening. Unless Apple is introducing a new hardware or software feature they will update (speed bumps etc) the laptops silently as they always have.

Apple will certainly not update form factor or software features as both have just been done (unibody and Snow Leopard). Minor updates to the laptops like you mentioned with the Macbook Air will be done silently too as was the case with the unibody MacBook Plastic.

well if they do move to the i5/i7, then selling the additional cores seems reasonable (even if they're virtual), I could see them throwing it into a "mobility" presentation.
 
knowing what type of business model Apple has been using since the success of the locked down iPhone platform
Unlocking and/or jailbreaking an iPhone is brain-dead easy even for non-geeks like me. Seems like a moot point.
 
Must you come into news threads with your political trolling?

Funny how you don't even criticize this guy who posted before him:

Foxnews.com is part of the Murdoch empire. As such they could tell me the sky is blue and I'd feel the need to go outside and check.

It's basically the same thing. One is saying they think Fox News reporting is good, the other is saying that it is bad. So why single out the one who thinks it is good? By doing so you are also injecting your preference into the conversation.

Besides, what made his comment (or the other, opposite opinion) political? He said that he thought that Fox News had good reporting. It seems that you are the one who made it political in the first place.

Myself? I'm a pretty middle of the road moderate, and I enjoy watching both Fox News and CNN. I don't quite enjoy MSNBC as much though. But those are my preferences, and they don't have much to do with politics. Though people always try to make it that way.

Next time I would refrain from blaming someone for making something political if it wasn't political until you entered the conversation and made it that way. That said, that poster usually is a bit extreme, but has made some good points before. Not everything is black and white in this world. Both sides make good points. Both sides occasionally have stupid reports that favor one side or the other. Should we hate on each other for it? No. Obviously it would be ideal if we could learn from each other, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

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I want a 3GS Extreme Edition and a quad-core 13" MBP. Will those things come out in January? Hell no, but I still want them!
 
That 10 million goal to me says this device is going to have some sort of must have functionality that we don't know about. Very Apple style, whip up a market no one has even thought of yet and be THE example of how to do it right.

I see Apple fans are excited to the extent of being irrational ;) So, Apple is going to implement a functionality that I must have, I just did not know about that. How ridiculous is that? How this could ever happen? Let's see. Probably this happened when Apple invented a portable music player I did not know I needed or when they invented a mobile phone which also nobody knew they needed.
 
Well the not subsidised iPhone 3GS 32 GB is already around 1000 USD, so an unsubsidised tablet will probably not be any cheaper.

My guess is:

* 999 USD with a 25 USD data plan (like 1 or 2, maybe 5 GB UMTS traffic included, after that GPRS speed)
* 499 USD with a 50/75 USD data plan (like 25 GB UMTS included)

How many people buy laptops/netbooks with data plans? How many people in general have mobile data plans? Very few (remember that iPhone is just 4% of mobile phone market in US). It is hard to see how people could afford two mobile data plans. So they will face a choice: to have data plan on a phone or on a tablet. I suspect that most people will choose the phone.
 
mobility

my predictions are:
1.tablet difinetely!
2. ipod touch with camera hopefully. i am waiting to buy one with a camera. really hope it will be better than the nano's though. nano's is BS.
3. 8gb iphone 3gs maybe.
 
iPhone on Verizon will be announced for late 2010. That will be the one more thing.

He'll talk about the iPhone last and give us all the statistics and carriers around the world with check marks. Then underneath it all will be Verizon's red check mark.

Nice! Love my iPhone.... tired of AT&T. I'll gladly pay my early termination fee and port my number.
 
Foxnews.com is part of the Murdoch empire. As such they could tell me the sky is blue and I'd feel the need to go outside and check.

Ha!

Well, it'll be an all in one device, mobile internet device, ebook reader, game device, video chat device, remote presentation controller, etc, etc... wrapped in a nice apple interface, locked into the iTunes App store for total control of the device.

People learned the limitations of the iPhone, and if it's as restricted as the iPhone, many might stay away, no matter how purdy it is.

People didn't like the limitations of the iPhone, but they still bought the device. If this new iSlate thingy creates (or perfects!) a market that appeals to the general public, it's gonna sell. If they are truly anticipating selling 10 million of these things that quickly, I imagine this thing is going to be pretty impressive in its functionality and price.
 
People didn't like the limitations of the iPhone, but they still bought the device.

That's a generalization. Many people that are tech oriented didn't like the limitations of the iPhone. Many of those bought it anyway and jailbroke it. Many also accepted the limitations and just used it (as did I).

BUT the vast VAST majority of people love the device as it is and don't care or even see the limitations. They use it as a phone with a built in iPod, webbrowser and a few cool apps, and don't even think of multitasking, copy-pasting and customization..

Many here might think it is too restricted etc.. but to most users (including my girlfriend) the iPhone IS the Jesus phone and it hasn't been touched by any other phone on the market.
 
I really hope this tablet device isn't just a 10-inch device at $800 to $1,000. That'll be pricing me out and making me probably look at a Kindle.

I'm hoping there's a 7-inch (or close to that) model that will allow a price closer to $500. I would love it as kind of a jack of all trades. Put it on a stand on your counter for a digital photo frame, news reader, multimedia device. Take it with you to do such things and use as an e-reader -- able to read Kindle books if not the other proprietary formats. You can build in a 3G radio, but I guarantee you I won't use it because I'm already strangled with iPhone charges.
 
Hold Up, I bought a new iPod on the 26th of December... Are you telling me that in a month, there will be a new iPod with the camera? This is BS.

Well - I predict something else for this event.

1. Refreshed MacBook Pro 13", 15" and 17"
2. Refreshed Mac Pro (New Look, Six-Core or Eight Core)*
3. New LED 30" Display*
4. Announcement of iPhone OS 4.0
5. Tablet (iSlate)

*Does not go with the Mobility Theme

Here are my predictions. I don't think we'll see refreshed Macbook Pros. Possibly just a refreshed Mac Pro with Gulftown. [1 day] No announcements of the 30" display. Announcement of iPhone OS 4.0 is a confirmed thing.[1 day] Finally, the introduction of the Tablet and its features. [2 days]
 
Opening Mac OS X to third party hardware and OEMs would justify an event as big as 1999's New Year's Eve. And it would certainly have more impact on the IT industry than another consumer iGadget that nobody needs and that's not really good for anything that you can't already do superbly with the current product portfolio.

Wow, we've come around to the "let Dell put OS X on their crapboxes" argument already??? :rolleyes:
 
That's a generalization. Many people that are tech oriented didn't like the limitations of the iPhone. Many of those bought it anyway and jailbroke it. Many also accepted the limitations and just used it (as did I).

BUT the vast VAST majority of people love the device as it is and don't care or even see the limitations. They use it as a phone with a built in iPod, webbrowser and a few cool apps, and don't even think of multitasking, copy-pasting and customization..

Many here might think it is too restricted etc.. but to most users (including my girlfriend) the iPhone IS the Jesus phone and it hasn't been touched by any other phone on the market.


You're right and I could've worded that better too. The iPhone HAD its limitations, but they still sold millions of them.

Well whatever. This tablet doesn't have to be the most impressive in its hardware for it to sell like crazy, although I think it'll have some interesting, new features we haven't speculated about yet.
 
well if they do move to the i5/i7, then selling the additional cores seems reasonable (even if they're virtual), I could see them throwing it into a "mobility" presentation.
Nah, Peter Devries is right.

That's too minor of an improvement to merit mention in a presentation at a Yerba Buena Center media event.

New MacBook Pros, new Mac Pros, new Cinema Displays, addition of video camera to iPod touch? All of those are fairly minor and would probably be introduced a few days before or after the Jan 26 event via the website (and a corporate press release). You don't need Steve to get on the stage and say "We've put faster processors in a bunch of old systems." That basically devalues his presence, it devalues Steve Jobs as a brand.

In 2010 and beyond, Steve is gonna get on stage when there is something *NEW* to announce, something you haven't seen before. We've already seen this pattern more recently from Apple. Minor updates are announced by Phil Schiller.

Apple gets far more bang to the buck when Steve makes a groundbreaking announcement, not introducing some glorified boombox. Apple has figured this out in the past couple of years, more so since his surgery.
 
You're right and I could've worded that better too. The iPhone HAD its limitations, but they still sold millions of them.

Well whatever. This tablet doesn't have to be the most impressive in its hardware for it to sell like crazy, although I think it'll have some interesting, new features we haven't speculated about yet.
Remember, the original iPhone didn't have all that much additional functionality beyond the existing smartphones.

Sure, it had e-mail and a few apps (stocks, weather) plus a web browser, but everyone was underwhelmed when Apple told developers to write web apps. Most of the devices were purchased by diehard Apple fans.

Both the original iPhone and iPod touch were pretty, overpriced gadgets until the App Store showed up a year later (June 2008). That's when everything got turned upside down.

The phantom tablet already has the best ecosystem in the world for its incubation, including the best online content delivery system in the iTunes Store.
 
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