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I'm glad you like the AIR but for many of us the initial device was a huge disappointment. It is probably the best Apple example of failure due to an excessive focus on design over function.

They improved the machine a lot with the NVidia chipset but in my opinion it still doesn't offer everthing a laptop should offer. Even that would be so bad but we gave $399 Netbooks far outclassing AIR in features. In the end I highly doubt that AIR brings in enough revenue to justify the whole development process.


That is what I'd like to know myself. Mac OS/X simply would be a huge mistake. I think part of the problem is that people look at iPhones tiny screen and equate that functionality with a tablet. That won't be the case at all; much of what is seen on iPhone are apps, these can beceasily enhanced to offer up even more features on a tablet. Those fatures can be easily supported by the larger screen and faster hardware.


Dave

Not many are asking for full OSX to be installed on a tablet. What I'm asking for is a redesigned & simpler OSX. Is it too much to ask for:

-downloading files off the net
-install apps without the App Store
-a touch replacement for the menubar (more simplified)
-iWork, iTunes, Disk Utility and Time Machine
-recognizing an external hard drive and the MBA's external Dvd player
-support for Bluetooth keyboard and mouse

95% of all of us would buy this machine in a heartbeat if this was included. These shouldn't be difficult features to implement.

I remember Mossberg asking Jobs and Gates at the All Things D conference about what is the future of the modern OS. Neither answered the question specifically. I believe this would be it.
 
That tablet better not cost $1000. I already think the base white MacBook is overpriced.

Well the not subsidised iPhone 3GS 32 GB is already around 1000 USD, so an unsubsidised tablet will probably not be any cheaper.

My guess is:

* 999 USD with a 25 USD data plan (like 1 or 2, maybe 5 GB UMTS traffic included, after that GPRS speed)
* 499 USD with a 50/75 USD data plan (like 25 GB UMTS included)
 
I'm not sure if this is the right place for nomenclature conjecture, but I do think iSlate is a mistake as a name.

Apple started by naming its products after apples. But then by the late 90s it was really only about one apple: the Mac. They expanded again with the iPod (not an apple). It's certainly a vague enough term that it encompasses just about anything and everything. The iPhone was a rather derivative name that was expected of Apple. But iPod is a very valuable brand to Apple and it's Apple's only segment with low or no growth. I think naming the new device iPod would both strengthen the new devices' immediate appeal and recognizability and would save the iPod name, which I think will otherwise eventually die out. I frankly think that as all these new device are so similar, and that the iPod touch and iPhone share the same OS, the iPhone should have been called iPod mobile to prevent brand dilution. However, there is a chance with the slate/tablet to reuse the iPod name in some way. iPod is an iconic name now, and at face value is not synonymous with music but with being a pod for carrying things. It's rather generic and could be applied to anything like a slate, but it now has special meaning to people. I suppose it could be the iPod slate. And the iPhone could still become the iPod mobile! Now honestly I'm not wild about the name iPod, as it would seem from my suggestions. But I think based on the logic of both taking advantage of and saving a powerful brand, it makes sense.
 
Well the not subsidised iPhone 3GS 32 GB is already around 1000 USD, so an unsubsidised tablet will probably not be any cheaper.

My guess is:

* 999 USD with a 25 USD data plan (like 1 or 2, maybe 5 GB UMTS traffic included, after that GPRS speed)
* 499 USD with a 50 USD data plan (like 25 GB UMTS included)

I think you're going to be shocked at how low the price is if this is an enlaraged iPhone. If it is true that Apple is projecting 10 million units sold, then it has to be cheap. Apple projected 10 million iPhone 2Gs sold in the first year and that carried a $600 price tag. People could justify the cost because it was a phone. Since this is an entertaient device, it will have to come in at a much cheaper price.
 
Not many are asking for full OSX to be installed on a tablet. What I'm asking for is a redesigned & simpler OSX. Is it too much to ask for:

-downloading files off the net
-install apps without the App Store
-a touch replacement for the menubar (more simplified)
-iWork, iTunes, Disk Utility and Time Machine
-recognizing an external hard drive and the MBA's external Dvd player
-support for Bluetooth keyboard and mouse

95% of all of us would buy this machine in a heartbeat if this was included. These shouldn't be difficult features to implement.

Why not just buy a MacBook?
 
Not many are asking for full OSX to be installed on a tablet. What I'm asking for is a redesigned & simpler OSX. Is it too much to ask for:

-downloading files off the net
-install apps without the App Store
-a touch replacement for the menubar (more simplified)
-iWork, iTunes, Disk Utility and Time Machine
-recognizing an external hard drive and the MBA's external Dvd player
-support for Bluetooth keyboard and mouse

95% of all of us would buy this machine in a heartbeat if this was included. These shouldn't be difficult features to implement.

I remember Mossberg asking Jobs and Gates at the All Things D conference about what is the future of the modern OS. Neither answered the question specifically. I believe this would be it.

No this is not too much to ask for (except for non app store apps) and I am sure you are going to get most if not all of these need covered with the tablet OS.
 
I'm not sure if this is the right place for nomenclature conjecture, but I do think iSlate is a mistake as a name.

Apple started by naming its products after apples. But then by the late 90s it was really only about one apple: the Mac. They expanded again with the iPod (not an apple). It's certainly a vague enough term that it encompasses just about anything and everything. The iPhone was a rather derivative name that was expected of Apple. But iPod is a very valuable brand to Apple and it's Apple's only segment with low or no growth. I think naming the new device iPod would both strengthen the new devices' immediate appeal and recognizability and would save the iPod name, which I think will otherwise eventually die out. I frankly think that as all these new device are so similar, and that the iPod touch and iPhone share the same OS, the iPhone should have been called iPod mobile to prevent brand dilution. However, there is a chance with the slate/tablet to reuse the iPod name in some way. iPod is an iconic name now, and at face value is not synonymous with music but with being a pod for carrying things. It's rather generic and could be applied to anything like a slate, but it now has special meaning to people. I suppose it could be the iPod slate. And the iPhone could still become the iPod mobile! Now honestly I'm not wild about the name iPod, as it would seem from my suggestions. But I think based on the logic of both taking advantage of and saving a powerful brand, it makes sense.

Very interesting suggestions, and very seldom mentioned. I think you are onto something there.
 
Why not just buy a MacBook?

I have a unibody MB. All OSs as we know it have gone as far as it can be taken. The next step is for a touch based OS. It is far more intuitive. The keyboard/mouse combo has ran its course and is not as efficient.

Bill Gates was right that the future is the tablet. The problem for MS is they plopped the same OS onto a tablet which made it a usability nightmare. XP was already a UI nightmare on a desktop much less a tablet.
 
I think you're going to be shocked at how low the price is if this is an enlaraged iPhone.

In that case there must be a data plan like > 100 USD/month. Maybe it will also include a iTunes music flatrate.

Or additional stuff like:

* 9.99 USD for iTunes Music flatrate + 2 free movie rentals per month
* 29.99 USD for iTunes Music flatrate + 10 free movie rentals per month
* 49.99 USD for iTunes Music flatrate + 25 free movie rentals per month + 4 free tv episode per month
 
mobility

lets focus on that word and consider the possibility apple is going to get into the gypsy food wagon business serving iburritos, itacos, iburgers all with free wifi so you can browse while you wait. of course, iliver and onions will not be on the menu.
 
Why not just buy a MacBook?

Yeah. What he or she said. If it is "under US$1,000" that means US$999. This thing makes no sense if they can't bring it in at US$499. Sure, with a two-year data plan at no more than $50/month, which puts the unsubsidized price at least around US$800 and maybe as much as US$999. But out the door for $499. This is one reason the the iPod took off so well: you could get in on cool Apple tech for US$500 or less. The original iPhone was US$599, and within a couple months Jobs realized at that price point even w/ contract subsidy it was a nonstarter, and he slashed the price US$200. Then w/ the iPhone 3G intro, they knocked ANOTHER $200 off, for a better phone; and a year later they kept that $US199 subsidized price with the 3GS for a phone with a lot more improvements, both superficial and deep, over the 3G than the 3G had over the original iPhone.

At $US499 you can still pull people away from the Kindle and Nook products -- and sell it to people who already carry iPhone products. But at US$999, anyone w/ any sense who wants the features of a high-quality mobile media device and an e-reader will pair an iPhone 3GS w/ a Kindle or Nook for a total of US$560 and be done w/ it.

If they price it at US$999 it's essentially a Mac (whether or not it runs a full computing version of OS X), not part of the iPhone/iPod product line. Apple owns the smartphone and the media player markets. The Mac has made gains in market share, but it remains a marginal player compared to Windows PCs. I pay a substantial premium for Macs because I've always used them and they are my clear preference. You can get Apple's "mobility space" device customers to pay a premium for Apple products, but not nearly the kind of premium you can get from their Mac customers. If it's that expensive, they're aiming it only at the Mac space, and it'll never take off like their more broadly marketed consumer devices.
 
In that case there must be a data plan like > 100 USD/month. Maybe it will also include a iTunes music flatrate.

Or additional stuff like:

* 9.99 USD for iTunes Music flatrate + 2 free movie rentals per month
* 29.99 USD for iTunes Music flatrate + 10 free movie rentals per month
* 49.99 USD for iTunes Music flatrate + 25 free movie rentals per month + 4 free tv episode per month

If this is just an oversized iPhone, then it will be sharing many of the components of next year's iPhone (processor, RAM, drive space, etc.). This could potentially cost little more than the iPhone. You'd also believe they would keep the price low to compete against the Kindle.

A projected 10 million units sold in the first year would mean either this thing is heavily subsidized or could function as a main computer for many average users. This can't be just a media player, cost $700 w/ data plan and for Apple to sell 10 million of them. The average person can't justify that price.

Keep in mind Apple sold about 11+ million iPhones in their first year. They projected 10 million. Apple is pretty accuate with their expectations. there has to be a reason they would believe they'd sell as many tablets as first gen iPhones besides how you interact with it.
 
If this is just an oversized iPhone, then it will be sharing many of the components of next year's iPhone (processor, RAM, drive space, etc.). This could potentially cost little more than the iPhone. You'd also believe they would keep the price low to compete against the Kindle.

A projected 10 million units sold in the first year would mean either this thing is heavily subsidized or could function as a main computer for many average users. This can't be just a media player, cost $700 w/ data plan and for Apple to sell 10 million of them. The average person can't justify that price.

I agree: if this is anything like what it should be, the biggest part of a higher price will be the larger, more reader-friendly display -- most everything else will be in software. That display plus a few other hardware costs will see up US$300 w/ subsidy over iPhone 3GS, but nowhere near US$800 over iPhone.

Another thing, this sub-US$1,000 price, reasonably presumed to mean US$999, this comes from Google China's Lee. No matter what a great pal of Apple's is Lee, you seriously think anyone at Apple is going to blab all the secrets of an Apple tablet to GOOGLE? You know, the maker of the OS for numerous competitive smartphone devices and at least one, certainly more in the future, competitive tablets? Jobs would probably tell ME more about the tablet than he would some guy at Google.
 
Seriously, what else can justify the "big event"?

Opening Mac OS X to third party hardware and OEMs would justify an event as big as 1999's New Year's Eve. And it would certainly have more impact on the IT industry than another consumer iGadget that nobody needs and that's not really good for anything that you can't already do superbly with the current product portfolio.
 
Mobility...could be a number of things:

(1) Tablet
(2) Laptop Updates, particularly the Air, which is in dire need of a redesign and price drop
(3) iPod Touch with Camera

Although what I want more than anything is a new Apple TV:(

Yes Apple TV with at least 1 TB.
 
After all the hype, if they don't release or announce this mythical tablet, AAPL will tumble.




Or maybe they're going to take a run at thescooterstore.com :D






Must you come into news threads with your political trolling?

Um...he didn't start it.I was hoping we could ignore the trolls though*sigh*
 
I'm not sure if this is the right place for nomenclature conjecture, but I do think iSlate is a mistake as a name.

Apple started by naming its products after apples. But then by the late 90s it was really only about one apple: the Mac. They expanded again with the iPod (not an apple). It's certainly a vague enough term that it encompasses just about anything and everything. The iPhone was a rather derivative name that was expected of Apple. But iPod is a very valuable brand to Apple and it's Apple's only segment with low or no growth. I think naming the new device iPod would both strengthen the new devices' immediate appeal and recognizability and would save the iPod name, which I think will otherwise eventually die out. I frankly think that as all these new device are so similar, and that the iPod touch and iPhone share the same OS, the iPhone should have been called iPod mobile to prevent brand dilution. However, there is a chance with the slate/tablet to reuse the iPod name in some way. iPod is an iconic name now, and at face value is not synonymous with music but with being a pod for carrying things. It's rather generic and could be applied to anything like a slate, but it now has special meaning to people. I suppose it could be the iPod slate. And the iPhone could still become the iPod mobile! Now honestly I'm not wild about the name iPod, as it would seem from my suggestions. But I think based on the logic of both taking advantage of and saving a powerful brand, it makes sense.

+1

Rocketman
 
10 million tablets? They must be on crack. Phone is one thing, its a small form factor and everyone uses phones.

Good luck getting 10 million people who almost 100% have a laptop of some form, to buy a tablet.
 
10 million tablets? They must be on crack. Phone is one thing, its a small form factor and everyone uses phones.

Good luck getting 10 million people who almost 100% have a laptop of some form, to buy a tablet.

That 10 million goal to me says this device is going to have some sort of must have functionality that we don't know about. Very Apple style, whip up a market no one has even thought of yet and be THE example of how to do it right.
 
1. iPhone
a) Elimination of the 8GB iPhone 3G, replaced by 16GB 3GS
b) Introduction of 64GB iPhone 3GS

2. iPod Touch
a) Elimination of the 8GB 2nd Gen, replaced by 16GB 3rd Gen
b) Introduction of the 128GB 3rd Gen and the EOL of the iPod Classic

3. iPhone OS
a) Introduction of iPhone OS 4.0
b) Update = Free for iPhone 3GS and 3G owners, but not available for iPhone 2G owners

4. "One more thing..." iSlate
a) iPhone-esque introduction of iSlate (e.g public announcement, demoing, but no immediate availability)

"5". Silent bump of MBPs with more memory and processor ...a wish, but probably not gonna happen

I feel like you're the only one who "gets it." That said, I was about to post something similar! :D I especially like how you picked up on Apple not supporting the older hardware in iPhone OS 4.0. I've been saying that for awhile and believe it is very likely, especially when they add in support for multitasking, which I will get to later.

This is how Apple announcements go, and they've left room at the bottom of their line in the iPhone and iPod Touch space for these bumps. This also makes sense as it was announced recently that Toshiba had found a way to double their capacity for cheap. EOL'ing the iPod Classic makes sense also, as a 128gb Touch would replace it quite well. iPod Touch with camera is an almost certainty at this point.

As for iPhone OS 4.0, I'm not sold on a release in January, but it' is possible (more on that in a minute). Apple usually announces the next version around March, makes the SDK available in beta for several months, and then releases the final version along with the iPhone updates in the summer. I would think that Apple could, perhaps, preview the coming OS update. Although it has been awhile since 3.1.2 was released--three months in a week.

If there is no iPhone OS update by the end of January then we might expect to hear something. Looking back on the timeline of iPhone OS updates, the last update before 2.0 was February 27, 2008 and then it was updated to 2.0 on July 11. The last update before 3.0 was on January 27, and it was updated to 3.0 on June 17th. I know it's only 2 years worth of data, but they've stayed around 4.5 months between the last update and the next version of the OS. If we don't see an update in January, then it is likely that the October 8th update to OS 3.1.2 will be the final update, barring a security patch on the scale of the SMS vulnerability.

So what does this mean? Well it might mean nothing, or it might mean that that iPhone OS 4.0 is coming out around Valentine's day. Given that the event is on January 26, Apple might do a delayed release making it available two weeks later. What I'm saying is probably completely wrong, but it is plausible, especially if Apple has gotten to the point where they can release 4.0 and it won't mess with developer's existing code, therefore not requiring an advance notice. This also plays to their advantage, 1. They won't have 125,000-ish apps resubmitted for approval based on 4.0 standards and 2. The older iPhone hardware wouldn't play nice if everyone made their apps 4.0 required (because of the lack of support for the older hardware, which I'll also get to briefly).

In addition, it is also possible that the tablet device could be running 4.0, and that this version is only supported on iPhone 3GS / 3rd gen iPod Touches as well due to higher hardware requirements. Could we see multitasking? Perhaps they have gotten their power management under control during the tablet development. However, on the iPhone and Touch it would probably see a limited implementation--such as 3-5 3rd party apps running at a time. I would prefer to see this done in the style of how mobile Safari handles tabs, similar to the Palm Pre's cards. The other day there was a JailBreak app released that does this beautifully.

Finally, the Macbooks and Pros. I doubt they would go with a silent update if they update the processor, as these will be updated to the Intel Core i3 and Core i5 processors, which is kind of a big deal. nVidia is still fighting with Intel over chipsets and even the feds have gotten involved. The integrated graphics of the new Intel chipsets is below the performance of the current nVidia 9400 series, so if we see updates in the processors, we will also see discrete graphic cards in the Macbooks and 13" MBP. This would also warrant further need for something more than a silent update, and Apple would probably play it up to be some big advancement to finally have discrete graphics in their lower end offerings and how they did it for performance and the consumer. I give this two possible scenarios, as I'm sure Apple has already made decisions to go ahead with these new processors. Either 1. They announce new updates in January and make them available by the end of Feb / beginning or March, or 2. They simply wait and hold a press event around the middle to end of March. Maybe nVidia will be allowed by then? This second scenario seems more likely, as the Mac Pro recently had a silent update and theoretically more time should pass before it is updated. In addition, it would probably be a more significant update to the new Intel 6-core processors. This would also be a good time for minor speed bumps in the iMac line and perhaps even the Mini.

So there are my long-winded thoughts and predictions. I'm just using simple logic based on what Apple has done before, patterns we've seen, industry news, and a sprinkle of rumor. Nothing fancy or groundbreaking. All the information is out there. I'd say that I'll probably be at least 70% right when everything is said and done. Sometimes things get pushed back to later events too. I mean there has to be some crap to show at WWDC, besides a 10.7 preview. But it will be fun times until then!
 
If...

10 bucks on my left nut says that if they do infact annouce the tablet and give details the following will be true of the surprising new interface.

- The virtual keyboard will be on the bottom of the device located on each side for both hands. This way you will not have to awkwardly place the device on your lap or some other surface to type. It will essentially be a split keyboard that you will use 4 fingers to type with on each side.

- When in keyboard mode the keyboard will show up on the screen and you can see where your fingers have pressed the keys on the bottom as you make each keystroke.

- The device may or may not have the raised surface feature that was previously hinted at in other patents. If it does have this feature I am assuming that the accelerometer with rotate the raised surface depending on whether the device is being held in portrait or landscape mode.
 
well.. if it's a new device.. start the count to 10 mil at one, cause' I'm buyin it.

No other company would I say this with such confidence before a release other than apple. Hate if you want, but their stuff never lets me down.
 
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