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[ClaraStahlbaum]

And yeah, send another billion to Israel. I’ll vote for it.

I expected nothing less.

 

[chmania]

And yeah, send another billion to Israel. I’ll vote for it.

Why not send all of it? And send the US soldiers to die for Israel. Make Israel Great Again!

 

[Madhatter32]

I indeed, want to abolish all lobbies within the government. Not just AIPAC. All of them. Foreigners don't deserve a say in our politics. There needs to be an amendment that explicitly bans lobbying on behalf of foreign governments. If your (not you, just in general) loyalty is to another country's cause, then you should move there, you should not serve any kind of office in that case.

There is a right to gather, and a right to free speech, but the US should not be the piggy bank for other people's wars. We shouldn't be giving free handouts anymore, not to anyone. The problem is, both sides of the aisle are backed by foreigners (Republicans like Israel, Democrats like illegal aliens).


You are correct that the Muhammadist regimes are murderous, on that we are agreed. I don't have the position to where I promote them.

Some people get whipped up by "sides" in all this. Allow me to clarify my position - I am against all "sides", and see them all for what they are - murderers wrapped in theocratic robes.

I am against them all (including Israel), none of them deserve our support, money, or backing. Let them fight it out in the sand. None of them are worth it. Our money and time should be spent building up our own country instead of someone else's.

Clara: I understand your argument as the traditional isolationist argument, which in the extreme most certainly leads to more instability/war and diminishes American standing. America, as a world power, will always be involved -- whether we choose to be or not -- and it is better to implement preventive policy ex ante than suffer world/American calamities ex poste.

This was the lesson of the 20th century as an isolationist America was dragged into two world wars. Rejection of this world view lead to the eventual establishment of NATO after WWII that, as originally devised, provided many decades of European peace. Although, in its present expanded incarnation, I appreciate your position with respect to continued American involvement in NATO.

 

[chmania]

I understand your argument as the traditional isolationist argument, which in the extreme most certainly leads to more instability/war and diminishes American standing. America, as a world power, will always be involved...

The total death toll from US military interventions and wars since the end of WW2:

• Post-9/11 Wars: A widely cited study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University estimates that at least 4.5 to 4.7 million people have died as a result of the wars launched by the United States since 2001 (including operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan). This includes approximately 940,000 direct deaths from violence, and about 3.6 million indirect deaths due to the destruction of infrastructure, economies, and healthcare systems.
• Vietnam War: Casualty estimates for this conflict vary significantly. While direct military deaths are well-documented, total deaths—including civilian casualties and deaths due to the long-term effects of the war such as defoliants and unexploded ordnance—range between 1.3 million and upwards of 3.8 million, as tracked on Wikipedia's list of wars by death toll based on various historical sources.
• Korean War: Estimates often cite roughly 3 million civilian deaths during the conflict, though precise attribution and total tallies remain heavily debated among historians.
• Broader Conflicts: When expanding the scope to include all military actions and interventions globally since World War II, various alternative researchers, historians, and political analysts offer broad estimates ranging from 4 to over 10 million people, depending on how they account for indirect consequences and the actions of US-backed regimes.
• Iran: we are still to find out how many hundreds of thousands killed by the US unlawful military actions.

 

[Madhatter32]

The total death toll from US military interventions and wars since the end of WW2:

• Post-9/11 Wars: A widely cited study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University estimates that at least 4.5 to 4.7 million people have died as a result of the wars launched by the United States since 2001 (including operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan). This includes approximately 940,000 direct deaths from violence, and about 3.6 million indirect deaths due to the destruction of infrastructure, economies, and healthcare systems.
• Vietnam War: Casualty estimates for this conflict vary significantly. While direct military deaths are well-documented, total deaths—including civilian casualties and deaths due to the long-term effects of the war such as defoliants and unexploded ordnance—range between 1.3 million and upwards of 3.8 million, as tracked on Wikipedia's list of wars by death toll based on various historical sources.
• Korean War: Estimates often cite roughly 3 million civilian deaths during the conflict, though precise attribution and total tallies remain heavily debated among historians.
• Broader Conflicts: When expanding the scope to include all military actions and interventions globally since World War II, various alternative researchers, historians, and political analysts offer broad estimates ranging from 4 to over 10 million people, depending on how they account for indirect consequences and the actions of US-backed regimes.
• Iran: we are still to find out how many hundreds of thousands killed by the US unlawful military actions.

Well, invert that argument for just a second. All of Europe is free. South Korea free. South East Asia mostly free. Millions would be dead without US policy protecting democracy and human rights. Strong Germany. Strong Japan. You also need to cite Soviet / Chinese involvement as well. No US involvement invariably means a strong and expansive Soviet Union and China. It would certainly have resulted in expanded influence of ISIS and Iran and other murderous power hungry regimes across the world.

Do I want the US to be policeman of the world. Ideally no. But, also, American leadership is likely the last best hope for individual liberty and human rights across the world. So America needs to play some role. Not no role like you would have it.

Just for clarity, these are not good outcomes with untold millions of lives that have been saved. You don't believe me? Just look at what Mao did to his own population for power for reference.

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

Clara: I understand your argument as the traditional isolationist argument, which in the extreme most certainly leads to more instability/war and diminishes American standing. America, as a world power, will always be involved -- whether we choose to be or not -- and it is better to implement preventive policy ex ante than suffer world/American calamities ex poste.

This was the lesson of the 20th century as an isolationist America was dragged into two world wars. Rejection of this world view lead to the eventual establishment of NATO after WWII that, as originally devised, provided many decades of European peace. Although, in its present expanded incarnation, I appreciate your position with respect to continued American involvement in NATO.

I hold the position that the US should cease involvement with NATO, call our troops home, and sell off part of what we have in Europe to the Europeans. They can fight their own wars and figure themselves out from here. I would cut the military budget to begin investing in healthcare, infrastructure, and border security (we need to continue deporting illegals, and expand on it ten fold to reverse the damage done by the Biden and Obama Administrations).

Do note that "Western Values" is perverted and corrupted by people like Epstein, who have had sex trafficking rings at high levels of government for decades. Epstein had his evil hands behind American policy for decades - which is why things should not be taken at face value.

 

[I7guy]

I expected nothing less.

Sure. That’s part of what makes America great. First amendment rights.

 

[Madhatter32]

I hold the position that the US should cease involvement with NATO, call our troops home, and sell off part of what we have in Europe to the Europeans. They can fight their own wars and figure themselves out from here. I would cut the military budget to begin investing in healthcare, infrastructure, and border security (we need to continue deporting illegals, and expand on it ten fold to reverse the damage done by the Biden and Obama Administrations).

Do note that "Western Values" is perverted and corrupted by people like Epstein, who have had sex trafficking rings at high levels of government for decades. Epstein had his evil hands behind American policy for decades - which is why things should not be taken at face value.

Clara: I do not know you but most people realize and understand that Epstein is not an indictment of the US or western civilization. He was a nasty inhumane criminal, true, but there are any number of such criminals, even more prolific in numbers, all around the world, including in revered institutions like the papacy, and in non-western countries Iran, Japan, China, and Russia -- not to mention what goes on in the terrorist regimes like Hamas.

 

[ClaraStahlbaum]

Sure. That’s part of what makes America great. First amendment rights.

First amendment rights has nothing to do with sending all that money to fight a war for an Apartheid Regime on behalf of the Epstein class.

 

[I7guy]

The total death toll from US military interventions and wars since the end of WW2:

• Post-9/11 Wars: A widely cited study from the Costs of War Project at Brown University estimates that at least 4.5 to 4.7 million people have died as a result of the wars launched by the United States since 2001 (including operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Pakistan). This includes approximately 940,000 direct deaths from violence, and about 3.6 million indirect deaths due to the destruction of infrastructure, economies, and healthcare systems.
• Vietnam War: Casualty estimates for this conflict vary significantly. While direct military deaths are well-documented, total deaths—including civilian casualties and deaths due to the long-term effects of the war such as defoliants and unexploded ordnance—range between 1.3 million and upwards of 3.8 million, as tracked on Wikipedia's list of wars by death toll based on various historical sources.
• Korean War: Estimates often cite roughly 3 million civilian deaths during the conflict, though precise attribution and total tallies remain heavily debated among historians.
• Broader Conflicts: When expanding the scope to include all military actions and interventions globally since World War II, various alternative researchers, historians, and political analysts offer broad estimates ranging from 4 to over 10 million people, depending on how they account for indirect consequences and the actions of US-backed regimes.
• Iran: we are still to find out how many hundreds of thousands killed by the US unlawful military actions.

America saved Europe in WW1.! Or did we forget so quickly?

 

[I7guy]

First amendment rights has nothing to do with sending all that money to fight a war for an Apartheid Regime on behalf of the Epstein class.

Absolute hyperbole. They should be sending more money.

But what makes America great is the ability to debate these issues.

 

[I7guy]

Why not send all of it? And send the US soldiers to die for Israel. Make Israel Great Again!

All of what? I hope some additional aid will flow to Israel.

 

[chmania]

Do note that "Western Values" is perverted and corrupted by people like Epstein, who have had sex trafficking rings at high levels of government for decades. Epstein had his evil hands behind American policy for decades - which is why things should not be taken at face value.

The "Epic Fury" is known around the world as the "Epstein Fury."

 

[geta]

He, he, in Europe?!
There's not a single Muslim in my city.

Where is this imaginary place/city? 🤔

 

[Fred Zed]

I agree, vote with your wallet for all important issues to you. In this case, I assume you say “adios Apple” because Isreali company acquisition? The other option is Android which has Project Nimbus, Wiz, employee donation matching to IDF. So then what?

Project Nimbus? Nothing to do with RM Nimbus by any chance? lol now that’s a blast from the past.

 

[Fred Zed]

speaking of Israel not, I'm not sure if I'm more upset with the possibility of the spurs going down or the hammers going down - either way it will be a new acquisition for the championship

I’m hoping Spurs go down nothing to do with the ownership mind 😂

 

[steve333]

Refugees are supposed to be taken in by the first Country they enter. They had no right to enter the United States without permission. They also flout the rule since almost none of these folks have rightful claims to be admitted in the first place.
Luckily the U.S. is not signing onto the UN's latest plan to import law breakers into Western countries.
Being cruel was Biden's allowing a border invasion by people who hate The West. Ask Europe how that's going

 

[steve333]

It is amazing how people claim Iran is this great evil regime (which I am not denying that it is, my point is that both Iran and Israel are horrible regimes), but completely absolve the Israeli Regime. Israel specifically gets away with it due to the Zionist Evangelicals having great sway over American politics. The Evangelical Zionists are desperate to maintain control over the narrative, but the younger generations aren't fooled by it anymore.

Israel is the only country that I have heard of that wants you to "pray" for them as they bomb innocent children, Christians, and others. All this money that we send to them has gone to murder, and more murder.

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In a historic first, a Palestinian man has filed a formal complaint with the International Criminal Court demanding that 14 Hamas terrorists be investigated for war crimes committed against the Palestinian people in Gaza.
The 40-page submission marks the first time a Palestinian has sought ICC action against Hamas - despite the court charging Hamas leaders with crimes against Israelis during the war. To date, the ICC has not charged a single Hamas leader with crimes against civilians in Gaza.
The client, a Gazan who lost his wife, children, and other family members in the war, alleges Hamas' use of Palestinian civilians as human shields was “principally responsible for the high death toll and extensive destruction experienced in Gaza.”

 

[steve333]

You got enough land to pack 7 million people. You can have the Jewish problem forever!

Jews aren't the problem,

There you are! Nobody wants them. Not even you. You have enough land, but you don't want to take them. Europe will not take any back either. Before 1945, there were less than 500,000 Jews were living in what's now Israel. Before World War II, approximately 9.5 million Jews lived in Europe. No Jew wanted to go to what's now Israel to live before 1945, They liked to live in Europe.

German Jews loved Germany, they loved the culture and the education.
So, now leftists think that is a bad thing, while pushing to allow in millions of people who despise The West?

 

[steve333]

First amendment rights has nothing to do with sending all that money to fight a war for an Apartheid Regime on behalf of the Epstein class.

 

[BaldiMac]

Refugees are supposed to be taken in by the first Country they enter. They had no right to enter the United States without permission. They also flout the rule since almost none of these folks have rightful claims to be admitted in the first place.
Luckily the U.S. is not signing onto the UN's latest plan to import law breakers into Western countries.
Being cruel was Biden's allowing a border invasion by people who hate The West. Ask Europe how that's going

Loaded terms and stereotypes aside, again, 47 cut LEGAL immigration far more than illegal immigration. If you don’t care that he’s ignoring the law to close the border, then it’s not really about following the law.

Before you go all “open borders” on me, I’m in favor of Obama era policies. Low border crossings, deportations after due process, and a path to citizenship for dreamers.

 

[Madhatter32]

Loaded terms and stereotypes aside, again, 47 cut LEGAL immigration far more than illegal immigration. If you don’t care that he’s ignoring the law to close the border, then it’s not really about following the law.

Before you go all “open borders” on me, I’m in favor of Obama era policies. Low border crossings, deportations after due process, and a path to citizenship for dreamers.

It's really a shame that Obama squandered his legacy (and nearly all his political capital) by prioritizing controversial ineffective health care legislation over bipartisan immigration legislation.

 

[chmania]

It's really a shame that Obama squandered his legacy (and nearly all his political capital) by prioritizing controversial ineffective health care legislation over bipartisan immigration legislation.

During the presidency of Obama, the United States launched airstrikes, drone strikes, or direct military interventions in seven countries. In 2016 alone, the final year of Obama's presidency, the U.S. military dropped an estimated 26,171 bombs across these seven nations. It appears that more than 10,000 civilians were killed in these countries in his time. Good guy?

Jimmy Carter did not engage the U.S. military in any major direct foreign invasions, resulting in minimal to no direct foreign civilian deaths from active U.S. attacks. And, since then?

 

[I7guy]

During the presidency of Obama, the United States launched airstrikes, drone strikes, or direct military interventions in seven countries. In 2016 alone, the final year of Obama's presidency, the U.S. military dropped an estimated 26,171 bombs across these seven nations. It appears that more than 10,000 civilians were killed in these countries in his time. Good guy?

Jimmy Carter did not engage the U.S. military in any major direct foreign invasions, resulting in minimal to no direct foreign civilian deaths from active U.S. attacks. And, since then?

The US is the world’s policeman and somebody has to do the job. You didn’t mention why military strikes may have had to have been made. But yeah Jimmy Carter by every history book was not a good president.

 

[Madhatter32]

During the presidency of Obama, the United States launched airstrikes, drone strikes, or direct military interventions in seven countries. In 2016 alone, the final year of Obama's presidency, the U.S. military dropped an estimated 26,171 bombs across these seven nations. It appears that more than 10,000 civilians were killed in these countries in his time. Good guy?

Jimmy Carter did not engage the U.S. military in any major direct foreign invasions, resulting in minimal to no direct foreign civilian deaths from active U.S. attacks. And, since then?

Well, yeah, Osama bin Laden was not a good guy. Jimmy Carter was a failed president ... sending marines into Iran (i.e., Operation Claw Eagle). Any other questions?