The battery lawsuits are going to boil down to whether Apple can be held liable for using the general phrase "power management" in their initial iOS update vs. spelling out the details of how the temporary throttling worked. Is that really an area where there are clear legal precedents or laws? Doesn't seem like to me. And forget about the actual physical battery part. Apple can roll out endless scientific proof about the known limitations of lithium ion batteries.
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Apple Knew About Bendgate and Touch Disease iPhone 6 Issues Months in Advance of Repair Programs
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The battery lawsuits are going to boil down to whether Apple can be held liable for using the general phrase "power management" in their initial iOS update vs. spelling out the details of how the temporary throttling worked. Is that really an area where there are clear legal precedents or laws? Doesn't seem like to me. And forget about the actual physical battery part. Apple can roll out endless scientific proof about the known limitations of lithium ion batteries.
But in true Silicon Valley Liberal style, a few public comments denouncing Trump, a web site photo of MLK on MLK day with a timeless quote, and an obligatory dedication to gender and racial diversity is more than enough to absolve you of hypocritical greed.
here is not one, but two blond and very competent ladies to convince you otherwise:
the evidence is there
plain for all to see
My iPhone 6+ was bent and twisted brand new in the box from Apple on launch day (preorder). I traded it for $650 to ATT two years later with no issues afterwards.
They replaced it, NQA.
Damn right, Apple knew, but I didn’t sue them over it. Sheesh...
They replaced it, NQA.
Damn right, Apple knew, but I didn’t sue them over it. Sheesh...
Arthur, you and the BOD have a responsibility to the shareholders to ensure no collusion is going on at the top of Apple. This horse and pony show is in circus territory now. I encourage all Apple employees on these forums to Leak, Leak, and Leak some more. 
If you sit your 150, 180, 200 pound frame onto your thin, wide, and long aluminum device ... it might bend.
Who knew?
It's not who knew, but when they knew!
But seriously, "Touch disease?" Who comes up with the street terms for these issues? "Disease" implies living organisms, which the iPhone ain't. And why not "Touchgate?" I suppose either would be more fun to say than "solder fatigue..."
The skeletons keep tumbling out of the closet. Touch Disease, Bendgate, Batterygate, Error53. Ever since this bean counter CEO who only cares about profits was appointed, its cost cutting everywhere.
You clearly are biased. There is much more to the case than simple LiPo characteristics.
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It's weird, but seeing that Apple knew this ahead of time in such specific terms is the most competent I've viewed the company in a long time. Now, what they did with that information seems to have been nothing. But at least they knew they were putting out a flimsier product, and that says something.
We all think Apple keeps getting caught out with quality issues, but in reality they know about all the problems before they release the product but chose to release the product anyway because they know Apple fans will buy their products raegardless of any ongoing problems.
in my life I try to live up to my own standards
to be true to myself
at work and back home
I have got my own moral compass and I give my very best to follow it as closely as I possibly can also because I want to more or less like what I see in the mirror
I think Mr Trump is closely following his own moral compass if we like it or not
I think Mr Cook is doing things that make him suffer somehow. I feel he knows wrong from right but I also know he is under enormous pressure
the difference between Mr Trump and Mr Cook is that Mr Trump just does not care what you or I or some shareholders may think about him
Error 53, we will never forget you.
Apple's obsession with thinness has crippled its products when, ironically, I don't know anyone who wants their phone or laptop any thinner; rather, they would take greater thickness to gain reliability, longer battery life, and more features (like ports). Case in point, Apple jumped the shark with its latest MacBook Pro. I passed up buying one because the keyboard was horrible. Not that I really want to buy into Apple any longer due to planned obsolescence, but I still like macOS best even though Apple is slowly but surely crippling it too.
Also because they want to induce early upgrades. Mark my words, some shady stuff regarding iPhone X will be out in a few years. Its a Gen 1 product.
Well, considering it's almost June, and we're only a few months away from the announcement of the next gen phones, and there hasn't been any sort of qualitative issue with the X ... I'm not sure what you mean.
The issues don't show up until a few years down the line, around 2 or more which is when they want to force upgrades. They admitted that batteries in the iPhone 6,6s and 7 were defective 2+ years after release when they were caught throttling them and silently fixed the issue on their latest iPhones.
Yes, you can plainly see that the iPhone 6 didn't have a metal backing where the ICC controller was or underfill in addition to the metal ball grid array. But does that prove anything regarding what actually causes "touch disease"? No. The woman from iPad Rehab just holds up a phone, says that it might "conform to your butt" if you sit on it...and that's the sum total of her theory. Apple, on the other hand, can show videos of standard "sit testing" with machines and what the data actually showed from thousands and thousands of tests. I think that's probably a better bet in court.
Also, the woman from iPad Rehab admits early in the video that she doesn't actually know what Apple's engineering reasons were for not using the metal shield or underfill with the iPhone 6. That seems like it would be fairly important information in any type of court case regarding claims of a "defect".
I believe the operative word is "flexed", not bent.
The phones showed no signs of being bent.
And yet profits keep going up. Valuation going up. Warren buffet buying even more. iPhone X best seller, new products Maybe your post is hyperbole.
Lithium-ion batteries degrading over time is a known feature of LIB, and nothing Apple has any control over. They're not 'defective', they're 'old', and they simply won't perform up to spec anymore. All LIB have this issue. This wasn't a quality issue.
Yes. Hence I say only profits, not good products. They are riding on their brand to sell rather than the quality. These are not issues I expect from a company like Apple. Your financial metrics do not counter the lousy quality control Apple intentionally implemented here to save costs.
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They were defective in that they weren't capable of supplying consistent charge once they were used. Hence they had to throttle it to prevent sudden restarts. They fixed this issue on the iPhone 8 which Apple claims doesn't not need to be throttled ever. They need to throttle the 6,6s and 7 because of lower quality batteries being used.
https://www.cultofmac.com/527745/apple-wont-need-throttle-iphone-8-iphone-x-severely/
They wanted to avoid the cost of a recall and hence applied this bandaid.
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********, the numbers prove it. It's at least 3-7 times worse than the Iphone 4-4s-5-5s, it's almost an order of magnitude worse than it had been for 4 years. They even fixed the issue in the 6s, you're claiming all other versions before and after are way better than industry standard, but somehow they decided that the 6 only had to make it barely? They tried to scrape every ounce of profit out of the 6 by using the bare minimum of material and it backfired.
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-fixed-the-bending-iphone-issue-2015-8?r=US&IR=T&IR=T