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A lot of you here must be "analysts" for you day job. You attack Apple for improving their entry point devices. The 4s? Yup, 8gb. Now, I am a bit confused why the 4s is still around, thought for sure that it would get killed for the 8gb 5c and that the 5c would be the $450 iPhone. Also, that the 4s and iPad 2 would not get iOS 8. Seems like the iPad 2 won't, but depending on what they do with the 4s over the next couple of months, still could be the plan.

no attacking. just as you find this perplexing other find this nonsensical.
 
Still much too expensive at £429. An entry-level device like this should have been £369, or less, if Apple were serious about competing with comparable Android devices.

I do believe that customers are willing to pay more for iOS devices, but not double. The iOS premium is too big now.
 
Explain why. There are plenty of people who don't have any need whatsoever for more memory in their phone.

even with the ota space requirements?

but wouldnt then 4 gig be enough for those or even a 5 year old nokia?

one can also wonder how honest the salespeople will be to total novices and say you get the "apple experience" from this capacity.
 
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Why are you confused? The price gap between the 8GB 4S and 8 GB 5C is well over a $100.


I am confused why Apple didn't just kill the 4s and make the 5c 8 GB the $450 iPhone.

And if the 8 gb 5c is more that $100 over the price of the 4s? I am really confused. The 16 gb 5c is only $99 more here in the states.
 
I think this is a good move by apple. This finally gets rid of the 30 pin connector from their lineup. In the US this probably means that you can get the 5c for free with a 2 year contract. 8gig may seem to little for some, but I know too many non techies that will buy based on price and never use half of the storage. My parents being prime example. Actually my wife as well.

To be honest, I downgraded from 64 gig to 32 gig when I bought my 5s. With iCloud I don't need to store all my music and photos on the phone anymore. I also find that I use the ipad for reading and photos and not the iPhone. So I think for folks that will not download 5000000 apps and probably not even 5 apps, 8 gig will be enough. Unfortunately these are also the same people that will suggle to understand how to download the photos they've take from the phone to the computer.
 
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I wouldn't say exact same performance. I was a heavy ipad4 user and the air is just a bit more quicker especially opening apps and tasking.

I'm just stating my experiences from owning both.

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Not sure what area your from but I see the 5c everywhere just as much as the 5s.

iPhone 5 in slate is still the most that I see though

Yeah there's going to be obvious gains, albeit a second or two, in loading times but side by side in terms of UI smoothness in iOS 7, there's no difference between the Air and the 4. In graphics intense apps and games the 4 runs all the same visual effects and has as good frame rates as the Air.

Now obviously, as time passes and developers start to push the A7, a gap will begin to appear. But right now there is very little between them performance wise other than loading times and things like times to complete tasks such as photo editing, video editing (thinking iPhoto and
iMovie here), but again right now it's seconds.

The 4 at that price is a great deal IF you don't mind the extra weight. Personally when the iPad Air is refreshed to bring Touch ID I'll consider upgrading but I'd find it hard to justify while the 4 is performing this good.

Let's see how iOS 8 hits it.
 
What the hell are Apple thinking launching an 8GB iPhone 5c just £40 cheaper than the 16GB?

If they made it £100 cheaper, you would be complaining "what the hell are Apple thinking charging £100 more for an extra 8GB". Price difference goes in both directions.
 
I am confused why Apple didn't just kill the 4s and make the 5c 8 GB the $450 iPhone.

And if the 8 gb 5c is more that $100 over the price of the 4s? I am really confused. The 16 gb 5c is only $99 more here in the states.
It's because there's a world outside the US.

In the UK, pricing is basicly like this:

€399 iPhone 4S
€499 iPhone 5C 8 GB
€599 iPhone 5C 6 1GB
€699 iPhone 5S 16 GB
€799 iPhone 5S 32 GB
€899 iPhone 5S 32 GB

8GB 5C fills the line-up nicely. Now this is in the UK, in Germany the 5C 8 GB is €549 and the 4S 8 GB is €399. That's a price gap of $208.

If Apple were only to target the US market, I don't think they would have sold the 4S and 5C 8 GB simultaneously.
 
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5C 16GB price point didn't made sense, the 8GB price point makes less sense

Maybe you'll look at the 5C, decide it makes no sense, look at the 5S and buy it.

And when you go home you think about what happened in the store, and suddenly that price point totally makes sense.
 
That would be an absolute shame. No way I'm spending $970 on a phone with a mere 16 GB (or $1110 for a 32 GB one, ridiculous!).

Thats what i thought then i realised i want 32gb, may as well pay extra, and i still prefer to pay a bit more for apple. shame their stuff is so snazzy and appealing :'( on the bright side the price of a contract in the US negates the premium that we pay for the actual device in the UK. Giffgaff all the way :)
 
I still would like to see some concrete numbers for this, but I think it's telling that I haven't seen one single iPhone 5c in the wild. Not one. On the other hand, I encountered about quite a lot 5s, including a sizeable number in "pimp", sorry, I meant "champagne".

You'll be glad to hear that Samsung is copying what you call the "pimp" colour.
 
It's because there's a world outside the US.

In the UK, pricing is basicly like this:

€399 iPhone 4S
€499 iPhone 5C 8 GB
€599 iPhone 5C 6 1GB
€699 iPhone 5S 16 GB
€799 iPhone 5S 32 GB
€899 iPhone 5S 32 GB

8GB 5C fills the line-up nicely. Now this is in the UK, in Germany the 5C 8 GB is €549 and the 4S 8 GB is €399. That's a price gap of $208.

If Apple were only to target the US market, I don't think they would have sold the 4S and 5C 8 GB simultaneously.


Thanks. And the iPad 4 is on our store in place of the iPad 2, but no sign of the 5c 8gb. So it looks like those international markets only rumors turned out to be true.
 
If they made it £100 cheaper, you would be complaining "what the hell are Apple thinking charging £100 more for an extra 8GB". Price difference goes in both directions.

Actually I wouldn't. Whilst the 5c is a very nice handset, it is too over priced. Apple would have been better dropping the price of the 16GB and 32GB model by £40.
 
I hope it comes pre-installed with 7.1 because your need almost 2GB of free space to do so, what a joke.
 
may be. but not for people that can only and were only thinking about spending £200-300 which is while still decent amount of money is more reasonable for this phone.

If you only have £200-300 to spend on a smartphone... you aren't getting an iPhone.

Yesterday the iPhone 5C started at £469 for 16GB.

Today they offer the same phone with less storage for £429.

But it's still an iPhone 5C

Sorry... the iPhone 5C will never be £200-300.

Even the iPhone 4S still retails for £349 today.
 
Device capacity does matter when you only have 8GB, download some games, take some pictures and videos, sync come music and you're using almost all the capacity and looking what do you have to delete.

Dead right. I know several people who can't update iOS because they're out of room with 16GB.

IMHO, Apple should start selling phones with enough storage capacity to guarantee you can do updates. e.g. 16GB reserved space, and [X] GB available for user data. Flash is hardly an expensive commodity these days in the grand scheme of things.
 
Actually I wouldn't. Whilst the 5c is a very nice handset, it is too over priced. Apple would have been better dropping the price of the 16GB and 32GB model by £40.

I said you would complain that the other models are too expensive, and voila - you did.
 
559 euros ($779) for a smartphone derived from a one year old model, no HD screen (HD = 1280*720 - Iphone 5/5C/5S 1136*640) , 8GB....

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Hmm, the 16 GB iPhone 5C costs $549 in the US...not sure how this is even possible for you to pay $800 for half that.

About HD, who freaking cares? Get over it, you cannot tell the difference between 640 and 720 on a 4" screen...I remember just a couple of years ago when every Android fan on the planet was saying that "retina" was completely unnecessary. Now a fingernail's worth of pixels make or break a phone.
 
It's because there's a world outside the US.

In the UK, pricing is basicly like this:

€399 iPhone 4S
€499 iPhone 5C 8 GB
€599 iPhone 5C 6 1GB
€699 iPhone 5S 16 GB
€799 iPhone 5S 32 GB
€899 iPhone 5S 32 GB

8GB 5C fills the line-up nicely. Now this is in the UK, in Germany the 5C 8 GB is €549 and the 4S 8 GB is €399. That's a price gap of $208.

If Apple were only to target the US market, I don't think they would have sold the 4S and 5C 8 GB simultaneously.

I think you've over simplified your rounding up and down in that list. The step between the 8 GB 5C and the 16 GB 5C in the UK is nowhere near €100.

It's more like...

€417 iPhone 4S
€512 iPhone 5C 8 GB
€560 iPhone 5C 16 GB
€655 iPhone 5S 16 GB
€751 iPhone 5S 32 GB
€847 iPhone 5S 32 GB
 
If you only have £200-300 to spend on a smartphone... you aren't getting an iPhone.

Yesterday the iPhone 5C started at £469 for 16GB.

Today they offer the same phone with less storage for £429.

But it's the same iPhone 5C

Sorry... the iPhone 5C will never be £200-300.

Even the iPhone 4S still retails for £349 today.

please keep my post in context of what i was replying to. the apologists reply is that it will a) get people that dont need more ie people that arent going to be spending much more or b) drives more towards 5s which this new addition makes no difference.

btw i object to your use of only when it comes to £200-300 and calling an 8 gig 5c the same as 16 5c just with less storage. the vast difference in capacity minus what the ios needs and ota updates makes this a completely different beast.
 
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