lol... okayyy... I'd just hand them a physical card. It's much more efficient.
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"...if you're with an LEO, then there's your security." smh.
Dude, it's an expensive device. Things happen — Police officers drop their pens on the street. So "Possible? Yes" is enough for me, as well as a lot of people, to prefer giving a physical ID.
I'd say most people get nervous when someone simply asks "can I borrow your phone to make a call?".
In which circumstances discussed in the article would you be handing your phone to anyone?
You do you my guy. if they can't look up a digital card how is a physical any different.
Most complicated verification process I have ever used. Even when I completed the process, I have no clue if it works. Reminds me of windows 3.1
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Is this some kind of novelty in the U.S.?? in Poland we've had a government app (mObywatel), both for iOS and android, which does exactly the same since 2019.. in this app we have: driver's license, ID card, vaccination certificate, car documents/insurance, electronic prescriptions, etc., no one carries any physical documents any longer... and interestingly enough, it's Americans who make fun of Poles by telling Polish jokes....
Yes, this is a novelty. The US doesn't have a single "national ID card". There is of course a passport, and even a "passport card," but most people who don't travel internationally (which is a significant portion of Americans) don't have a passport, and the passport card costs extra on top of a regular passport, so not even all passport holders have those.
The usual "ID card" Americans carry is their state's driver's license. Each state's is different, although the Federal government is trying to finally have at least some basic standardization of *verification*, if not in form.
Yes, under 4th Amendment precedent, you can’t be required to enter a password, but police can use features like FaceID and TouchID to try to unlock your phone.
If you have some sort of medical emergency or something, you think they're just going to stand there laughing at you? No, they'll radio for EMS right away.
If you're that paranoid about it, then no one's forcing you to use this method. I just think it's strange to project that onto everyone else and act like they're crazy for wanting the convenience of having their ID info on your phone. And again, it sounds like this system will not require you to hand your device over physically, so it's sort of a moot point anyway.
Perhaps so. Perhaps not. Not playing the game, so it's moot from where I sit. Have fun, y'all!
Delta Airlines has this at certain airports.
Delta reveals first-ever dedicated TSA PreCheck® lobby, bag drop
New facial recognition-enabled experience in Atlanta provides hands- and device-free convenience for travelers from curb to gate.
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State of Arizona has an official app, that I've been using for a long time, that holds your ID and is completely valid for state services, renting a car, proving age, and boarding a plane. It's called AZ Mobile ID.
Yeah but.... some people may be nervous about extending their phone toward Highway Patrol etc. It might get grabbed?
I tend to get myself in trouble when I question the laws governing the USA... :} (Especially that 2nd amendment one.)
Here in Australia, traditionally each state (and territory) had their own road rules. Whilst these laws would have had a lot of commonality, there were also differences. In 1999, a new system was adopted wherein the federal government created a common set of road rules, and each state then passed those rules into their own laws (with only a few minor exemptions).
We don't have a national driver's license... so if/when this tech comes to Australia, it'll similarly be state-by-state. What we need is for cops to have a portable scanning device they can bring to your car to scan your phone... but that's a huge cost...
How many Poles did it take to make that app?Is this some kind of novelty in the U.S.?? in Poland we've had a government app (mObywatel), both for iOS and android, which does exactly the same since 2019.. in this app we have: driver's license, ID card, vaccination certificate, car documents/insurance, electronic prescriptions, etc., no one carries any physical documents any longer... and interestingly enough, it's Americans who make fun of Poles by telling Polish jokes....
Just kidding!!! ?✌️ We Americans are very immature.
Yes, please! I cannot wait until this is available. Being able to walk into a bar/club/lounge and only need one card (debit or credit) is perfect. I'll love to get to the point where I don't carry any cards, but I like to play it safe and still keep my credit/debit card on me since Apple Pay isn't available everywhere (eg. Walmart).
Same with me. I got the new license that comply's with the TSA standards then covid hit and I decided to grow a beard. Now I can't get the Digital ID unless I get a new license with a pic with my beard. Also the DMV requires you to submit a picture if you want to sign in to the DMV website and they compare it to the pic on your license. The picture is required even though you have to sign in using a password and the verify your identity with a code sent to your phone. Completely ridiculous, now I can't do anything online anymore and have to go in to the local DMV facility to take care of any issue that I used to be able to do online...
The international standard underneath this (ISO 18013-5) is really only for mobile drivers licenses.
We are just the odd duck in the US that we politically had to leverage state-issued ID cards as a substitute for a national ID program. Other countries would just be using these for proof of driving privileges, and thus may very we have less urgent need for rolling this out.
There are other standards coming (the ISO 23220 series) for generalized usage.
I suspect you'll need a newer license to be able to fly as well, due to Real ID. IIRC you'll need to go in for that (with a couple of documents) because they have to meet DHS rules about identity verification.
Is this some kind of novelty in the U.S.?? in Poland we've had a government app (mObywatel), both for iOS and android, which does exactly the same since 2019.. in this app we have: driver's license, ID card, vaccination certificate, car documents/insurance, electronic prescriptions, etc., no one carries any physical documents any longer... and interestingly enough, it's Americans who make fun of Poles by telling Polish jokes....
We have such apps in the US (my state has one), however they are not accepted outside of the state.
This is not only a nationally recognized program, but an implementation of the international standard for mobile drivers licenses.
The system is built so that you get a card, and from that point forward you can share it directly (without needing to go to the state or mobile phone vendor to get personal information). The states don't want access to the information that _could_ be abused, like say the list of locations you use the ID for age verification on a weekend.
It is also built (as shown in the article) to let you only share information that is needed, and to describe which information might be retained. This is different from someone getting your license and seeing your home address, license number, SSN, etc when all they really needed was proof of age and a photo.
To be blunt, it was a stupid take that (as you might typically guess) spread wildly.
This isn't "Apple's System" - it is an international standard (ISO 18013-5) which Apple is just implementing on a more aggressive timeline and making efforts to advertise. There are other efforts to implement as well, e.g. https://9to5google.com/2020/10/30/android-mobile-driving-licenses/ .
In that light, Apple was saying that they will work with the states to both roll out the feature and to advertise it, but that they wouldn't pay to revamp a state's identification systems - nor did they want Apple's systems to touch citizen databases with a 100 ft poll for obvious privacy and liability reasons.
This was possibly called out in contractual agreements because many states had to do fairly expensive changes to comply with Real ID requirements, and it is also possible that federal grant money was offered to aid in state adoption of Real ID (although I have zero personal knowledge there).
The reality is _all_ state programs have a taxpayer impact. For physical drivers licenses, the cards they hand out aren't donated to the state either, nor do DMV workers do so unpaid (you can tell, because they would likely be much more pleasant if they could freely leave.) This is why getting a physical drivers license issued/renewed/replaced costs you money in most states.
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I’ve been waiting got this for sooo long, can’t come soon enough to CA.
