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Again and again same misunderstanding! First off cops don't accept Apple Wallet ID yet, not one police department has said they will accept this in place of a physical ID. Some states do have their own apps outside of Apple Wallet, they scan a QR code and read it on their handheld. Only TSA has committed to Apple Wallet ID. Baby steps. Second, the TSA scans your phone's NFC, and they look at their screen for info.

You don't have to give them your phone. First off police departments haven't committed to supporting the Apple Wallet system. But in states with fully electronic IDs (not the Apple Wallet system), they have an app and they scan a QR code on the app for the info. The cop has to ensure their reader is working because you're not required to hand your phone over, those states wrote the law so that scanning QR code and looking at info on their screen is accepted ID, and you don't have to provide anything more than what is required for ID.

Yes there is the possibility people get tricked, so maybe the answer is for people to know their rights, because it's not this one system that is the only possible rights violation, people consent to search of their vehicles all the time and they don't have to unless the officer has probable cause. And your phone is a lot like your vehicle, you don't need to give it to them.
Or just hand over a physical ID. I think this option's easier and comes with a better peace of mind.
 
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I never said law enforcement DID accept this. So this literally proves my 'gimick' point even further.
That's fine to think it's a gimmick. It's obviously something that will be expanded on in the future. But you like others ask if a cop will take your phone, no that's not the case even in states that have digital ID systems, they scan a QR code and you aren't required legally to give your phone over.
 
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Or just hand over a physical ID. I think this option's easier and comes with a better peace of mind.
I think I would keep my ID in my car too "just in case". But I would love the digital ID if/when it's fully accepted as well. I can live with NFC tap then boom they get what they need, and I have the backup physical card.
 
The necessary token is transmitted over NFC. It is just like Apple Pay but what you give is access to the state database for licenses and they read the info on their screen.

Reportedly states have to bear costs supporting the back-end and that's the main issue: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59292649

I doubt Apple charges anything directly or else states would tell Apple to f off.
I just don't think this can be as smooth as Apple Pay, which I'm a big fan of. In my experience, Apple Pay never involves a person other than them asking if you want a receipt.
I imagine for situations, such as dealing with an officer or even entering a venue, both me and the individual I'm dealing with will be holding devices. That's a big nuisance the minute someone says "it's not working" — think about how we've all had a moment trying to get in to an event and your mobile ticket is not scanning correctly.
 
I just don't think this can be as smooth as Apple Pay, which I'm a big fan of. In my experience, Apple Pay never involves a person other than them asking if you want a receipt.
I imagine for situations, such as dealing with an officer or even entering a venue, both me and the individual I'm dealing with will be holding devices. That's a big nuisance the minute someone says "it's not working" — think about how we've all had a moment trying to get in to an event and your mobile ticket is not scanning correctly.
We'll find out I guess. Apple Pay has its hiccups too. Readers typically need internet to make a transaction. Sometimes readers just don't work. I've had that happen a bunch.
 
Will Apple do this in Australia?

We’ve had digital licenses for years now but it’s all within the states road service app. Would be nice to have it nicely in the Apple Wallet.
 
This is so not the point lol. I'd rather hand my physical ID than my phone.

So if you're not concerned about them looking at anything else on your phone, then what IS your concern? That they're going to drop the phone? lol!
 
Right now only the TSA at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport accepts it. Presumably, all other locations ( stores, bars, clubs, etc. ) aren't required to accept a phone ID.

This statement in the article is interesting: "Users do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to a TSA officer to present their mobile driver's license or ID". So I'm wondering how the TSA validates the presence of an ID on your phone. Is it transmitted to TSA via Bluetooth?( looks like it based on Apple's instructions on their website )
RFID. Same way as your credit card information is transmitted when you use Apple Pay in a store.

But as previously mentioned, you may have to unlock the phone according to an Apple instruction video, perhaps because (just speculating) it presents a dialog showing what information is being requested by the scanner:

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My IDs are always in my wallet because I wouldn't want to miss a flight because my phone's battery is dead or won't show/transmit my ID.
It will probably be years (if ever) before the scanners become so ubiquitous that you can leave the physical ID at home.

Personally I have privacy concerns if this becomes widely accepted. In situations where today just a person is looking at your ID (e.g. to validate your age when you want to enter a bar, or your name when you pick up an online order), they will then scan your digital ID, which means you'll leave a digital trail, possibly including not only your name but also your DoB, DL number, and photo ...
 
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My grandmother born in the late 1890’s said the same thing about touch-tone telephone.

(Eventually she asked for one, and a microwave.)
Grandma you're so strange. People hated dialing "high" numbers because it took extra time. Then DTMF comes along and makes it so any phone number is equal effort.
 
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So if you're not concerned about them looking at anything else on your phone, then what IS your concern? That they're going to drop the phone? lol!
Yes — I also don't need someone walking away with my expensive device. Plus, what if I need it with me for my own security. These are just practical reasons and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.
 
It's fairly easy set up. The verification process to add it is a lot more seamless and user friendly and works compared to the AZ MVD app that AZ already uses which is a big pile of crap and only works when it wants to work (full moon while standing on one leg and saying the alphabet backwards lol)
 
Its a gimick. The setup is wonky, but it worked. What happens though when I get pulled over? Should I give the cop my phone to take back to his car? I really think not. So I still need to carry the ID, so whats the point?

didn't read the article before commenting, eh? :D
 
Right now only the TSA at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport accepts it. Presumably, all other locations ( stores, bars, clubs, etc. ) aren't required to accept a phone ID.

This statement in the article is interesting: "Users do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to a TSA officer to present their mobile driver's license or ID". So I'm wondering how the TSA validates the presence of an ID on your phone. Is it transmitted to TSA via Bluetooth?( looks like it based on Apple's instructions on their website )

I'm in AZ and will be traveling in a few weeks out of Sky Harbor. I'm interested in trying his out.
 
Additional states will offer driver's licenses and state IDs in the Wallet app soon, according to Apple
Unfortunately Oregon will likely never going to be one of those “additional states” considering how strict privacy laws are here. The state was super hesitant about adding RealID to the license until feds finally forced them to, and even then, it’s not the default option (in fact, RealID option costs extra)
 
My IDs are always in my wallet because I wouldn't want to miss a flight because my phone's battery is dead or won't show/transmit my ID.

Of course. Same as why you stash a printed boarding pass in your carry on even though you're using an electronic boarding pass, or why you carry a credit card even though you use ApplePay from your watch most of the time.

Sometimes we may choose to use something for the convenience even if it's supplemental to the retained old format.
 
Yes — I also don't need someone walking away with my expensive device. Plus, what if I need it with me for my own security. These are just practical reasons and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.

Oh, I'm sure you're not alone, but I'm pretty sure you're in the minority if you think the people in these positions are going to steal your device or somehow damage it. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. I'm not sure what you mean by needing it for "your own security" but if you're with an LEO, then there's your security. If it's some other situation, the person looking at it would be right there with you, so it's a moot point. And according to the article, with TSA checkpoints you never hand your device to anyone.
 
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