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Apple Launches Driver's License Feature on iPhone in Arizona, More States Coming Soon
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Supposedly... All it takes is for someone to say the reader is not responding, the scan isn't working, etc.
"License and Registration"
"Shows phone"
"Sorry, the reader isn't responding... can I see that?"
I do this more my little daughter, didn't think about doing it too whenever my state allows this. Very nice tip there
I'm offended that you expect people to read past the thread titles. Do you realize how much time and attention span that takes?! Crazy! /s
European governments will probably not adopt this due to their recent hate for big tech, but boy do I want them to... I'd love to leave my wallet at home. And no, I don't want a standalone app for my digital ID. Just let me put it in Apple wallet and be done with it.
One thing to keep in mind how big the US is, and how the local government has a saying in many thing as well. You will be surprised going from states to states that things your take for granted can be different or even illegal/legal.Is this some kind of novelty in the U.S.?? in Poland we've had a government app (mObywatel), both for iOS and android, which does exactly the same since 2019.. in this app we have: driver's license, ID card, vaccination certificate, car documents/insurance, electronic prescriptions, etc., no one carries any physical documents any longer... and interestingly enough, it's Americans who make fun of Poles by telling Polish jokes....
In order to do something like this you also have to get all 50 states to agree on something, if you want to get the approval all at once.
Anyone else in AZ having issues scanning the back?
Its telling me I dont have a bar code when I clearly do.
Its telling me I dont have a bar code when I clearly do.
California has apparently underfunded the DMV for years and dealing with them is difficult. And of course one of the problems was an ancient IT system. US government agencies seem to have an unending problem of keeping up on IT. Except maybe the spy agencies, but not when it comes to helping the citizenry.
California Drivers' Licenses in Apple Wallet
It seems California has approved the laws necessary to allow for a digital DL, but it looks like they are first going to roll it out slowly with a voluntary group of people not to exceed 0.5% of the population of drivers. That's disappointing as I had hoped it would be sooner than that for...forums.macrumors.com
Employment and contractor regulations. Obviously, in-state companies and those with a presence in the state hire, but many increasingly won't even look at a driver from there. Many won't even haul product into the state. Not making any judgments, just noting what is happing.
Right now only the TSA at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport accepts it. Presumably, all other locations ( stores, bars, clubs, etc. ) aren't required to accept a phone ID.
This statement in the article is interesting: "Users do not need to unlock, show, or hand over their device to a TSA officer to present their mobile driver's license or ID". So I'm wondering how the TSA validates the presence of an ID on your phone. Is it transmitted to TSA via Bluetooth?( looks like it based on Apple's instructions on their website )
My IDs are always in my wallet because I wouldn't want to miss a flight because my phone's battery is dead or won't show/transmit my ID.
I'm sure Apple is selling this as a big cost savings to State governments( not having to print and mail ID cards ). I wonder if Apple has the option of charging the State governments for this service ( or if they already charge, if they have the option of increasing the charge ). Think of the leverage Apple would have. Users would be required to buy iPhones and States would have few options but to accept Apple's charges once the States dismantle their ID card printing and mailing operations.
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As others have already explained, that's not how it works. But even if it were, I can't imagine some LEO or other person requiring to see your ID is going to give a rat's behind about anything else on your phone unless they discover you have some outstanding warrant.
Physical ID cards will not be going away anytime soon and I seriously doubt any legislature would sign into law or agreement that would take away their revenue stream.
I highly doubt any government agency is paying Apple for this.
Again and again same misunderstanding! First off cops don't accept Apple Wallet ID yet, not one police department has said they will accept this in place of a physical ID. Some states do have their own apps outside of Apple Wallet, they scan a QR code and read it on their handheld. Only TSA has committed to Apple Wallet ID. Baby steps. Second, the TSA scans your phone's NFC, and they look at their screen for info.
You don't have to give them your phone. First off police departments haven't committed to supporting the Apple Wallet system. But in states with fully electronic IDs (not the Apple Wallet system), they have an app and they scan a QR code on the app for the info. The cop has to ensure their reader is working because you're not required to hand your phone over, those states wrote the law so that scanning QR code and looking at info on their screen is accepted ID, and you don't have to provide anything more than what is required for ID.
Yes there is the possibility people get tricked, so maybe the answer is for people to know their rights, because it's not this one system that is the only possible rights violation, people consent to search of their vehicles all the time and they don't have to unless the officer has probable cause. And your phone is a lot like your vehicle, you don't need to give it to them.
I have a feeling Apple doesn't have any leverage here. This is the government. At any time they can tell apple this is over. Apple isn't first to the party here. ADOT already had Mobile ID before Apple. Apple can take advantage of their customers but its a little harder for them to take advantage of the government.
I never said law enforcement DID accept this. So this literally proves my 'gimick' point even further.
This is so not the point lol. I'd rather hand my physical ID than my phone.
The necessary token is transmitted over NFC. It is just like Apple Pay but what you give is access to the state database for licenses and they read the info on their screen.
Reportedly states have to bear costs supporting the back-end and that's the main issue: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59292649
I doubt Apple charges anything directly or else states would tell Apple to f off.