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Companies charge what people will pay. If the past years are any indication, people are fine paying what macs cost. I, for one, do not feel Apple's laptops are overpriced. Mine (2.4 C2D, 6 GB ram, 512 vram) has been wonderful and worth every penny I put into it.

I think the best of Apple's R&D and QC goes into their portable machines.

More people would buy Macs if they were reasonably priced (and had better configurations).

I am not saying make Macs dirt cheap - but Macs try to act like the Ferrari's of computers when all Macs are is Made in China crap, stuff you'd see at Wal-Mart and not Saks Fifth Avenue, but Apple charges at those prices.

I mean the MacBook is so horrifically overpriced, as well as the Mac Mini.
 
Read the EULA closely.

K. Let's see....*opens Snow Leopard box*

We've got some stickers, a fold out card talking about how cool SL is, and a card that talks about support. Oh and of course the DVD.

Hmm....I don't see a EULA. How is a customer to find it without installing it? If what you say is true everyone who buys this is violating some ambiguous rule.

I see you provided a link to a PDF. Fourth line....

"PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") CAREFULLY BEFORE USING THE APPLE SOFTWARE."


Hmm. I see nothing about not being able to use this independently.
 
Lion...

Does anyone have a guess at what the price of OS X Lion will be? I feel it makes sense for someone to buy a mac developer account if Lion were to retail above $99. Anyone agree?
 
K. Let's see....*opens Snow Leopard box*

We've got some stickers, a fold out card talking about how cool SL is, and a card that talks about support. Oh and of course the DVD.

Hmm....I don't see a EULA. How is a customer to find it without installing it? If what you say is true everyone who buys this is violating some ambiguous rule.

Everyone who buys SL and installs it on their Mac are ok.

But people don't buy SL and argue that their $130 entitles them to install it on their PC.
 
K. Let's see....*opens Snow Leopard box*

We've got some stickers, a fold out card talking about how cool SL is, and a card that talks about support. Oh and of course the DVD.

Hmm....I don't see a EULA. How is a customer to find it without installing it? If what you say is true everyone who buys this is violating some ambiguous rule.
You didn't have to click anything to start the installation? ;)
 
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iphone3gs16gb said:
Dell XPS
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndogx2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=xps-15
Intel® Core™ i5-480M (2.66GHz, 4Threads, turbo boost up to 2.93Ghz, 3M cache)
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 420M 1GB graphics with Optimus edit
MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 750GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive edit
SECURITY SOFTWARE McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial edit
DISPLAY Silver Anodized Aluminum 15.6" FHD (1080p) B+RGLED Display with Facial Recognition and 2.0 MP webcam
Tray Load Blu-ray Disc BD-Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

1099...

Faster CPU
More GPU ram, possibly similar speed GPU
More memory
Same harddrive
MUCH higher res screen with RGBLED display
Bluray

For 600 dollars cheaper! You asked for it buddy.

So 600 bucks buys you an arguably "better" case, a glass trackpad and OS X which I can also install on that XPS. Sorry Apple. Your laptops are ridiculously overpriced now.

If they re-priced their price points at 799, 1199, 1499, and 1799 for 17 inch, it would be much better.

Alas, I am stuck with my $1400 MBP I bought retail (on clearance) when the new unibodies came out for a while longer.

Dude.

Just stop.

If you can't afford it, by all means step aside and move on.

This is a GREAT update which I am considering :)

Look, it's the apple apologist! Why am I not surprised he's defending apple?

If one cannot even admit that PCs are better value than macs, that person definitely has apple stickers covering his/her eyes.

The new pros are great (ordered a 13 to replace my early 08 15pro).
 
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Look, it's the apple apologist! Why am I not surprised he's defending apple?

If one cannot even admit that PCs are better value than macs, that person definitely has apple stickers covering his/her eyes.

The new pros are great (ordered a 13 to replace my early 08 15pro).

I'm excited about the updates too! I am going to be replacing my '09 MBP 15"...
 
More people would buy Macs if they were reasonably priced (and had better configurations).

I am not saying make Macs dirt cheap - but Macs try to act like the Ferrari's of computers when all Macs are is Made in China crap, stuff you'd see at Wal-Mart and not Saks Fifth Avenue, but Apple charges at those prices.

I mean the MacBook is so horrifically overpriced, as well as the Mac Mini.

Then start praying that sjobs dies soon?

It's not happening as long as he breathes.
 
Everyone who buys SL and installs it on their Mac are ok.

But people don't buy SL and argue that their $130 entitles them to install it on their PC.

Where did that last poster indicate he wanted to install it on a PC? They simply said that Snow Leopard is $130 - which for them is likely a factual statement. You then gave some off-the-rocker number that you say is the real price of Snow Leopard. I'm asking you where it indicates this price if the user is not "upgrading" from a previous OS? Any Mac sold is going to have Mac OS, so it seems rather illogical to think that someone would buy SL to install it on a PC - the hackintosh community would rather just download it, given it requires no serial.

Isn't that logical?
 
I'm typing here on my trusty
2004 2.0 GHz D.P. G5 PPC Tower

Geekbench scores for this solid old machine are in the 1700's

I can't complain, it's run pretty much 24/7 since the day I
first plugged it in.

I live in Broad Band Siberia here on the mountain @24KB dial-up.
It takes me an hour to load a 5 minute youtube video.

I was determined to go for a super portable 13.5, but there was no way
I could pass on the 2.0GHz Quad 15"

I needed broadband access bad and this does it just fine
and then some.

I can learn Logic Pro in the Apple Store with One To One
5 minutes from my office.

Looking at my 3 daughters 12" MacBook and 2 13.5 White MacBooks,
I'm quite thrilled to have a 500GB 7200 RPM in this machine.

My girls are maxed out with 60 and 80 GB drives, so I'm feeling
quite spoiled here.

Geekbench tested the 2.0 GHz Quads in the 8800's

I'm pretty Stoked! :D


This is my 6th Apple Computer.
Starting with a Beige G3 Tower

Apple has treated me and my family very well,
fixing stuff that should not have failed.
Major stuff too, on the house even when some klutz
factor may have been involved.

In every case, I've gotten my money's worth back
with every one of these machines.

They all still work too.
 
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I would never use less than a 7200 rpm drive. Especially if you have large files, or many many small files such as billions of pictures.

But... SSD > HDD

So, if you do like I did and buy the Pro with the 7200 rpm drive and then buy the 256 gig Crucial ssd from Amazon for $474 (instead of $500 from Apple), you can swap them out and put the 7200 rpm drive in an external enclosure for a free backup drive :)
 
Wrong.

$130 is only upgrade pricing, you need an existing OS X license to be able to use that $130 copy of OS X you've bought.

So you can say that OS X costs $1000, basically the difference between a PC and an equivalent Mac.

$1000? Thats means the white macbook itself without OS is worthless along with the 11" MBA, the mac mini, apple loses money on, and the base macbook pro is only worth $200?

Obviously its not worth 1k based on this.

$300 or maybe $400 at most
 
Dell XPS
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndogx2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=xps-15
Intel® Core™ i5-480M (2.66GHz, 4Threads, turbo boost up to 2.93Ghz, 3M cache)
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 420M 1GB graphics with Optimus
MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory
HARD DRIVE 750GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive
SECURITY SOFTWARE McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial
DISPLAY Silver Anodized Aluminum 15.6" FHD (1080p) B+RGLED Display with Facial Recognition and 2.0 MP webcam
Tray Load Blu-ray Disc BD-Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

1099...

Faster CPU
More GPU ram, possibly similar speed GPU
More memory
Same harddrive
MUCH higher res screen with RGBLED display
Bluray

For 600 dollars cheaper! You asked for it buddy.

So 600 bucks buys you an arguably "better" case, a glass trackpad and OS X which I can also install on that XPS. Sorry Apple. Your laptops are ridiculously overpriced now.

If they re-priced their price points at 799, 1199, 1499, and 1799 for 17 inch, it would be much better.

Alas, I am stuck with my $1400 MBP I bought retail (on clearance) when the new unibodies came out for a while longer.

Are you serious?

A serious match up between MBP15 and Dell is
MBP15
2.2GHz quad-core
4GB 1333MHz
500GB 7200-rpm
AMD Radeon HD 6750M with 1GB GDDR5
Built-in battery (7 hours)
1680x1050 res
$2,349

M15x
2.13GHz quad-core
4GB 1333MHz
500GB 7200-rpm
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5730 with 1GB GDDR5
Nine-cell battery
1600x900
$2,624

Yes Virginia the MBP15 just outmatched the M15x for $275 less
 
It's not about racism - it's that Apple products are made on cheap labor. If Apple was truly premium, we'd get Made in the USA.

Apple just gets a cheaply made PC, slaps OS X on it and charges a premium price? Apple is horrible. There is no reason Mac prices should be so high. OS X is only $130, which is about the same as Windows 7 (correct me if I am wrong), so OS X cannot be the reason!

If Macs were made in the US we'd all be paying a higher price for Apple hardware.
 
Yes I have, in fact the most recent was up until the middle of 2010 when I got rid of my Radeon 5770. I got pulled in back in 2009 by the tempting bang-for-buck and the better specs (at the time) compared to NVIDIA's GPUs, but in the end, CCC was total ****, no question about it. At least twice a day, Windows 7 would freeze and then display the message "Display driver AMD driver stopped responding and has successfully recovered." On Linux it was a joke.

Since then I've stuck with NVIDIA and haven't looked back.

... I'm doing OpenCL development and CUDA development on two different machines, my home computer and my lab computer. Both are equally stable despite different drivers... the only serious issue has been a problem with the X server recently in Ubuntu 10.10 that was caused by a NULL pointer reference caused by a regression from a badly formed commit which screwed up both computers for a little while. But like I said, the catalyst drivers have been equally stable to the NVIDIA ones while doing GPGPU calculations and heavily taxing the GPU. I think on Linux you just failed to get a good install which admittedly can be a little awkward sometimes if you are trying to use a different fglrx version than what's in the repositories. But nvidia's install isn't any simpler on linux.
 
cheap labor != low quality.
check US made car, high labor = low quality.



It's not about racism - it's that Apple products are made on cheap labor. If Apple was truly premium, we'd get Made in the USA.

Apple just gets a cheaply made PC, slaps OS X on it and charges a premium price? Apple is horrible. There is no reason Mac prices should be so high. OS X is only $130, which is about the same as Windows 7 (correct me if I am wrong), so OS X cannot be the reason!
 
hey y'all,
if i get the new low-end 13" MBP with 320GB, is it possible to just install a 500GB 5200rpm internal harddrive form OWC i've got at home?

does anyone think there's a huge amount of difference between the i5 and i7 in the 13'? i would be using it for programs such as aperture and logic studio.
 
Dell XPS
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndogx2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=xps-15
Intel® Core™ i5-480M (2.66GHz, 4Threads, turbo boost up to 2.93Ghz, 3M cache)
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 420M 1GB graphics with Optimus edit
MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 Memory edit
HARD DRIVE 750GB 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drive edit
SECURITY SOFTWARE McAfee SecurityCenter, 30-Day Trial edit
DISPLAY Silver Anodized Aluminum 15.6" FHD (1080p) B+RGLED Display with Facial Recognition and 2.0 MP webcam
Tray Load Blu-ray Disc BD-Combo (Reads BD and Writes to DVD/CD)

1099...

Faster CPU
More GPU ram, possibly similar speed GPU
More memory
Same harddrive
MUCH higher res screen with RGBLED display
Bluray

For 600 dollars cheaper! You asked for it buddy.

So 600 bucks buys you an arguably "better" case, a glass trackpad and OS X which I can also install on that XPS. Sorry Apple. Your laptops are ridiculously overpriced now.

If they re-priced their price points at 799, 1199, 1499, and 1799 for 17 inch, it would be much better.

Alas, I am stuck with my $1400 MBP I bought retail (on clearance) when the new unibodies came out for a while longer.

Are you joking? You're comparing a dual core i5 machine (the Dell) with a Quad Core i7 machine (the Mac). The two machines are completely incomparable.
 
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Apple just gets a cheaply made PC,

Um, no. Apple build quality is generally outstanding.

slaps OS X on it and charges a premium price? Apple is horrible. There is no reason Mac prices should be so high. OS X is only $130, which is about the same as Windows 7 (correct me if I am wrong), so OS X cannot be the reason!

The reason it only costs $130 is Apple knows it runs on hardware it sells, and it gets its profits from the hardware.
 
I'm in the same boat. Was anticipating spending in the 13" price range, but now find that the 15" gives you significantly more bang for your buck. trying to justify the extra cost in my head and weigh the pros and cons. I honestly think the low end 15" will be good enough, but I know after a few years with it, I will regret not paying a little more to make it more powerful from the beginning. Decisions, decisions...

I hear ya thebuggalo. I hear ya. The thing for me now is, I have the money for the lower end 15" MBP as soon as some of my dough transfers over from my other account. But it's not enough for the high end 15".

It is going to take a straight jacket for me not to buy the low end 15" off Amazon as soon as my money goes into my account.:D
 
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