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I have had responsibility for large enterprise wide installations and one DUPLICATES necessary data in the test environment - tests tests tests and then - and ONLY THEN - takes the old service off line and supplants with the new tested service - BASIC 101 implementation.

Yes, but have you dealt in the scale of apple. Are you dealing in the 1,000,000+ hits in a short time scale. Almost all IT people have dealt in the scale of a small company, but very few have dealt in the scale here. There are things you just don't see in QA. I have never seen a perfect benchmark driver or a perfect test. Now in small scale, yes it is easy to have a perfect test. It is darn near impossible in the scale I deal with and in the scale apple has here.
 
I have had responsibility for large enterprise wide installations and one DUPLICATES necessary data in the test environment - tests tests tests and then - and ONLY THEN - takes the old service off line and supplants with the new tested service - BASIC 101 implementation.

You can test all you want. There are things a test environment cannot replicate no matter how much you test it. A test environment is too perfect to know exactly what will happen. A live system will have its own quirks and unique qualities that have moved in over the years. Tweaks may have been added to one server or another. From our perspective, we have no idea.

BASIC 101 my butt. I have seen active migration upgrades go bad needing to be rolled back. It happens. This is not an everyday implementation.

At least everything is working. If a the web interface is getting you this upset. Imagine if the email was completely down.
 
Added Perspective - Apple's .Mac services have worked very well for me. My site development is done in iWeb, hosted by Apple, and I don't have to worry about site optimization, FTP uploads, etc. Their service has generally been very good for my needs. Thus - I have supported and trusted them them as "ready for prime time".

This outage is inexcusable - poor implementation design and execution - it really makes them look incompetent.

It will get fixed - but should never have happened.

Your iWeb sites are up and running. What outage are you talking about?
 
Well, I agree with you about Apple's message.

But, MobileMe DOES technically exist. They announced it on my computer this morning. It said MobileMe is now available and directed me to install the Mac OS X MobileMe update.

The me.com website does not show a considerate message like the .mac web site does.

I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but what do you mean they announced it on your computer? On a site? Via email? A software update thingymabob? *confused*
 
I was able to register when the site was up for a little while. Everything stopped working after that, but I can access my new @me.com mail in Mail.app. Just added name@me.com and used the default settings. Sending and receiving works fine.

Edit: when I mail to hotmail/live e-mail address, it marks it as spam :D
 
I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but what do you mean they announced it on your computer? On a site? Via email? A software update thingymabob? *confused*

If you got the MobileMe update (which only seems to appear when a few aspects of the service are in operation, this hasn't been the case for a few hours), it said that MobileMe was now available and to install the software to get the most out of it.
 
Apple will learn from this, that's the best news that we can get from this.

Also, I'm hoping Apple realises how important it is to have a competent server system, and beefs up OSX Server. It really doesn't hold a candle to Windows Server right now. Perhaps a real Exchange competitor is also on the cards, with the benefit of better iPhone integration for enterprises.
 
NO - but it is Apple's responsibility to provide the services that I pay them for. 13 hour outage and counting......

Understandable. But you know it's a major change and they are serving millions of people, not just a few and each person on this forum only sees "themselves" and not the whole spectrum of people Apple is catering to. I am excited about the upgrade as well but I would rather see Apple take as much time as possible to get everything working perfectly.

You know this forum will complain even for the slightest imperfection and then say that Apple should've taken more time to get it right. Well they are now so let them take their time on this one.
 
Added Perspective - Apple's .Mac services have worked very well for me. My site development is done in iWeb, hosted by Apple, and I don't have to worry about site optimization, FTP uploads, etc. Their service has generally been very good for my needs. Thus - I have supported and trusted them them as "ready for prime time".

This outage is inexcusable - poor implementation design and execution - it really makes them look incompetent.

It will get fixed - but should never have happened.

What is your difficulty?

I have three .mac e-mail accounts. ALL of them are working fine.

Nothing else is working at this time.

Maybe I am missing something, but what are you using from .mac (not Mobile Me) that is hurting your business?

E-mail is the ONLY thing from .mac that can be used in a business setting.

As I stated, my e-mail is working 100%
 
Almost there.
 

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Added Perspective - Apple's .Mac services have worked very well for me. My site development is done in iWeb, hosted by Apple, and I don't have to worry about site optimization, FTP uploads, etc. Their service has generally been very good for my needs. Thus - I have supported and trusted them them as "ready for prime time".

This outage is inexcusable - poor implementation design and execution - it really makes them look incompetent.

It will get fixed - but should never have happened.

I have never seen a major Web deployment w/o AT LEAST a 12-hour outage. .mac is down because they have to migrate it to .me. They could not do that. They could make you take a credit for unused .mac service, then wait for that credit on your credit card, then sign up under the same name on MobileMe, get that all configured and ironed out... Whew. But hey, you're right, they migrate we're probably stuck with nothing but push/pull mail and maybe iDisk connectivity until tomorrow. If they just nixed .mac and rolled you a credit to a brand new MobileMe account, you'd have everything all set and good to go, configured and tested, by, say, next Wednesday. You got me there.

I'll do a little work, today, man. Then I'm gonna go for a long 100 deg. F sweat-killer bike ride. Then maybe jump in the pool. Then flop out and read a book. Then watch a movie tonight. I'll just let Apple scramble around to migrate my .mac to MobileMe and get all that working. If you don't mind.

p.s. I'm not trying to be cavalier, but if something can't wait -- and unless we're talking an organ transplant here, it should be able to wait -- until they get everything but mail back up, since mail is working, well, then you have to design, and pay a lot for, a much closer to fails-safe system. .mac/MM is $99 a year. There is no SLA, and it is not priced to sustain one. I use my .mac email as my primary personal/business-related email, and a gmail for public email -- and I always have one or the other as back-up. Fact is, my cable Internet wonks sometimes and I'm shafted 48 hours, then, too, no matter the whole Internet is up and running -- and no Gears of War online in the off hours, either, and that truly 'tis a shame.
 
Well, I agree with you about Apple's message.

But, MobileMe DOES technically exist. They announced it on my computer this morning. It said MobileMe is now available and directed me to install the Mac OS X MobileMe update.

The me.com website does not show a considerate message like the .mac web site does.

Why didn't this ever show up for me? Nor does it now...
 
That's all you needed to say. Now go sit down and quit acting like you're Donald Trump.

Hey there...my site development is done in iWeb too. Just because we're using a basic web editor doesn't mean we're not competent.

I agree with him - this outage is a bit annoying. We are unable to edit our iWeb websites (and I typically edit mine a few times a day).

Here's my website: www.peters-photography.com

You'd have no idea I designed that on iWeb if it wasn't for the web.mac.com domain...
 
notification

how many people got the notification that you could download MobileMe? I didn't and I've been checking the software updates and there's nothing.
 
Your iWeb sites are up and running. What outage are you talking about?

My ability to log onto my .Mac account for personal domain addition. Also - while I have not tried it - publishing edits to my site is something that I am not willing to try until the system is stable - that component may, or may not be, an issue.

The main message is that a 13 hour (and counting) outage is simply POOR PERFORMANCE, not what Apple had in mind I'm sure, and a problem for CUSTOMERS.
 
it was going in pretty good spurts about 2 hours ago, it seems like now we aren't getting anything as far as "almost in" post, to "ITS UP FINALLY". Seems like apple really isn't going to try it again till they get it right, or build more servers for the demand it has caused. :)
 
Push E-mail working for me...

right now...I've tested it multiple times. It's actually faster on my phone than on my laptop.
 
I don't think the issue here is the outage, the issue is that Apple is not giving us an update. They stated last night that .mac would be down from 8pm PST to 2am PST while they transitioned to MobileMe, so that would indicate that by this morning we'd all be able to log in to MobileMe which is not the case. So an updated message on the me.com and mac.com pages stating a new timeframe for completion of the transition would be nice, because right now all we know is it's not working and we have no idea when it will be up and running.
 
Sorry to interrupt the fight...

But does any one know when we should expect mobileme? Is this something that will be a few days out?
 
The MobileMe UPDATE NOTIFICATION

how many people got the notification that you could download MobileMe? I didn't and I've been checking the software updates and there's nothing.

Sorry for the caps in the title, but I think this needs to be clarified.

The update only appears if MobileMe is functioning enough for System Preferences to communicate with it.

As MobileMe only worked in this way for a short amount of time, only a small number of people were able to get it.

You'll get the update when the service is working 100%
 
Push E-mail working...

yes, I have 2.0 installed and e-mails come through instantly now...push is CLEARLY working.
 
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