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I'm pretty sure they did this so that iOS 7 doesn't have to be supported by the 4th gen.

I hope they don't do that. Usually, they drop support one at a time. The iPhone 4 is scheduled to support iOS 7 if you go by the trend.
 
I understand that birthday gifts would great here or buying in bulk for schools or for family which could yield some significant savings but if buying just one... honestly, only $70 gets you twice the storage AND a good camera on the back. I'd never buy this.

I think they would've been better off dropping the price to $199 and taking off the front camera too. I think it serves a better purpose than just savings like that where a person would like to bring in a device but wouldn't be allowed to have a camera as some have said here.

Of course, they want to keep pushing Facetime and on occasion, they tout the Facetime Device numbers which this would cut into so I understand why they keep it for that reason.
 
I'm dying to see how you spin it when Apple does release a stripped down budget model.

And you ignored my point. THIS is a budget model, at least compared to how the iPhones are priced, and compared to the previous version of the Touch. If you want to respond, answer the question - if Apple can make this device at this price, why can't they make a phone with these specs for a bit more (and no, adding the phone hardware doesn't cost an extra $130)?
Because they're not Samsung? What you want is Apple product with Samsung pricing. IPad mini should have given you insight to realize that ain't gonna happen. It's Apple. They appear to always charge more. Wondering about why is pointless. Either opt in or like some opt out.
 
Totally makes sense, I wouldn't think twice about buying the $229 iPod if I was in the market.

I have an iPad 2 that I've used extensively for years, and only fired up the rear camera a HANDFUL of times. My wifi-only devices don't need a rear facing camera, and Apple obviously saw the market for it. It's not for EVERYONE, but if you're on the run and don't have 3G service, you're probably less likely to take a picture for immediate sharing via iMessage or Facebook.
 
So here's the question can you retro fit a camera in it ? I don't think they've used that extra space for anything else if the guts are still the same ? So 5$ cover and 15$ camera off ebay would do the job? :cool::apple:
 
iOS is actually very friendly to blind people. My blind friend uses an iPhone.

Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant though.

I'm missing how a fully blind person uses an iPhone. I'm not blind so perhaps I just don't get it.
 
I'm missing how a fully blind person uses an iPhone. I'm not blind so perhaps I just don't get it.

Accessibility options are really robust from what I can tell. They touch an element on the screen and it has a voice tell them what they just touched, where they can either confirm or change the request from there with another touch or something.

I'm not blind either, so I have no idea on specifics, but I know i've seen blind people use iPhones (in apple promotional videos though so who actually knows)
 
I understand your point, but I cant think of a time except at the GYM where i would have my iPod and not my iPhone. Nor can I think of a time where my iPod would be closer to me than my iPhone except at the GYM. There is a market for iPod without the camera and with the camera and I would be amongst those who would forgo the camera option because I have so much music. I just took my iPod out and looked at all the pictures on it... I have 361 pictures on my iPod, of that 361, i would image from what i can see that about 350 of them were taking using other devices and put on my iPod and I have had my iPod since the 4th gen first came out.

Well aren't you so privileged to have an iPhone. Some people don't, and an iPod touch is a viable, cheaper alternative.
 
I don't think it's a bad move. Instead of a 4th gen model with a smaller screen and slower processor, we have an updated model. The cost is only a bit higher.

And it lets Apple focus iOS 7 on the iPod Touch gen 5. The processor on the gen 4 isn't up to the task of iOS 6, IMO, let alone the next version.

No rear camera is just silly. I would think that a large target audience would be for kids too young for an iPhone. That is also the same target audience who probably use the camera the most.

Seems like a non-starter for me. When it's time up upgrade the family, I'll be off to the refurb store, instead of going this silly route.

You realize the still have the 32GB and 64GB versions of the gen 5 Touch that have cameras, don't you? This only replaces the low-end gen 4 Touch (which won't support iOS7).
 
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Apple today made a quiet update to its iPod touch lineup, launching a new 16 GB fifth-generation model without a rear camera for $229. The new iPod touch, which is only available with a black front and silver back, replaces the fourth-generation iPod touch that Apple had continued to offer since the introduction of new models late last year. The new model is available now in Apple's online store and should be available in the company's retail stores starting tomorrow.

Apple introduced the redesigned fifth-generation iPod touch last September with the same 4-inch display seen on the iPhone 5 and a number of other enhancements. But with the new hardware pushing the entry-level price to $299 for a 32 GB model, Apple decided to continue offering the fourth-generation models at cheaper $199 (16 GB) and $249 (32 GB) price points.

Now, with production on the fifth-generation models having been underway for roughly eight months, Apple has found a way to shave costs through both natural component cost declines and the removal of several features to be able to offer a stripped-down fifth-generation model at pricing close to that previously offered for the fourth-generation models. Beyond the loss of a rear camera, the new entry-level iPod touch also omits Apple's "Loop" wrist strap introduced on the fifth-generation models last year.

Earlier this year, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo had predicted that Apple would discontinue the fourth-generation iPod touch in favor of a stripped-down fifth-generation model without a rear camera. Kuo had believed that Apple would introduce an 8 GB version of that device for $199, but Apple apparently decided that 16 GB of storage should be the minimum for the iPod touch lineup.

Article Link: Apple Launches New 16 GB iPod Touch With No Rear Camera for $229

They removed the rear camera and is STILL 229?

Wait a sec the 4th generation was 200 and it included the rear and front camera with 16GB to start, why would you remove it?

That was just stupid.

Now they raised the price AND removed the camera. No apple, that isn't how you're supposed to do it!


Honestly 32gb should have been the standard anyway
 
Accessibility options are really robust from what I can tell. They touch an element on the screen and it has a voice tell them what they just touched, where they can either confirm or change the request from there with another touch or something.

I'm not blind either, so I have no idea on specifics, but I know i've seen blind people use iPhones (in apple promotional videos though so who actually knows)

Yeah they have to use headphones with it pretty much all of the time so they aren't disturbing people in public because it communicates by sound much more than a typical iPhone user's phone would.
 
I'm glad that they have a "vanilla" iPod. As good as iOS is and having the iPhone and iPod Touch try to be an all-in-one device, I know there are some people like myself who just want a standalone player just for music and no camera (I understand why they put one on the Touch, but never agreed with putting it on a device meant to play music). Fingers crossed that they make more but with more memory.
 
Pointless tinkering.

The real story is it was a Pegatron test production run. Then someone at :apple: said, "Hey the front and backs don't match!" and, "Hey the rare camera is missing! Whatd' we do Tim?".
Tim Cook replies, "Let's sell them at a discount and not mention this new product release to the press." :)
True Story Bro!
 
I don't think the shareholders particularly enjoy watching Apple charge enormous profit margins on low-end consumer products that then sit in banks across the world unspent for years and years.

They actually do.
And I'm not even going to get into the fact that only their overseas profits stay overseas.

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Apple announces products when they are ready, not just when there is a show.

Lol, right. iPhone 4S wasn't ready for 17 months after the 4...
 
rear camera

would be perfect with rear camera but how to take pics in convinient way with only front one? :(
 
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