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Are Apple selling the old 9.7 inch model from 2017 at an even lower price ?, or did it just disappear from their store ?.

Tim probably doesn't even know..
They are just heaving overpriced and curious looking darts at the wall and hoping something will stick

But hey - new cases and watchband colors!
Whoopee! :rolleyes:
 
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performance is good

if you intend to buy new, please do not get an air2 now.

there is just too little life left in it to be worth the investment

I guess the new one is a better choice. The Air 2 is about the same price new here from the stores that still have it. If it was considerably cheaper I may still have considered it, but iOS 12 is likely the last update it's going to get. I'll get the new one. Too bad about the omitted laminated display tough.
 
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After reading the prices, Apple has lost the education market completely. I used to volunteer at my school to teach third graders basic programming concept using code.org. IPad will be disaster for them because it's so fragile. They drop Chromebooks left and right and those things don't break and continue to work. I don't think how schools can afford IPad if it keeps breaking every time somebody drops it. And the price! Come on Apple.. learn to invest in the future of the civilization.. money shouldn't be always the first priority!
 
I said the screen in iPad 2018 is worse than iPad Air 2 because iPad Air 2 and iPad Pro use "Fully laminated display", which makes the device thinner and screen much near to the user. That is also why the device is lighter.

Also, the battery capacity is irrelevant as all iPads promised the same using time length. The pencil support is also irrelevant as all upgradable iPads support that. It is the same thing with ARKit.
Spec-wise, yes. Actually usage varies. I get much longer battery life on the 2017 iPad and iPad 4 than on Air 2 or Pro 9.7.
 
performance is good

if you intend to buy new, please do not get an air2 now.

there is just too little life left in it to be worth the investment
I agree. iOS 11 on air 2 is very solid. but will 12 be good? Will 13 even be supported?

As stated previously, I’m still very happy with my air 2. But I’m on year 4 with it. I wouldn’t buy it new today (unless I got it for a crazy price) because it has too few software updates left.
 
While I'm glad Apple is adding pencil support to the iPad -- hopefully that will encourage developers. But I don't really understand this as a secondary education play.

First, $300 is a lot of money for schools, esp. when they can get Chromebooks for 1/3 of that price.

Then the pencil is still $99. That is 1/3rd of the cost of the iPad itself. Then x however many students. Does Apple think school systems are floating on money?

And I'm a pretty responsible adult. I try hard to keep up with my nice things. Even still I do well to keep up with my pencil because there really is no good place to keep it. I've tried magnets, loops, all sorts of attachments. But they aren't bullet proof. The pencil still can slip out of the loop, get dislodged from a magnet. Then there is the cap. Tell me those won't get lost in a school environment. I really can't see the avg. school system forking over $99 for Apple Pencils, esp. the current clumsy design.

There is only one (business) reason Apple should want to back into secondary edu -- to capture the next generation of iPad users. And if that is the goal I don't see why they don't just offer every school system X# of iPads @ cost, which if $329 is a 35% margin that would be about $215. Pencil would be $70, which is still very expensive for a school given the fragility and likely "shrinkage" of the item. The idea should not be to make a profit off the schools but make a profit off all the compounded purchases from students (and parents -- and even parents companies) in the months and years to follow because they are now better exposed to the capabilities of the Pad.

So my take is today's event was kind of half-assed as far as edu hardware strategy. Almost like Apple felt compelled to have some kind of event this quarter so they whipped this goulash up.
 
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Good job Apple! Now finally bring the Pencil to the iPhone.
 
Your moving the goalposts now, YOU implied that Amazon are not as productive as Apple or Google because their media streaming sticks and smart speakers cannot run Microsoft Office or iWorks, that is what you said. Now you are trying to back track and move the goalposts and bringing laptops into it which you didn’t mention before, all because you realise how daft your comments were.
The original argument, that Apple is falling behind Amazon in tech, is still laughable when they don't make anything besides gadgets that sell Amazon services.

Ooooh, AWS. Yeah, let me plug in my AWS phone into my car.
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Are Apple selling the old 9.7 inch model from 2017 at an even lower price ?, or did it just disappear from their store ?.
This is the new version. Old one is gone.
 
After reading the prices, Apple has lost the education market completely. I used to volunteer at my school to teach third graders basic programming concept using code.org. IPad will be disaster for them because it's so fragile. They drop Chromebooks left and right and those things don't break and continue to work. I don't think how schools can afford IPad if it keeps breaking every time somebody drops it. And the price! Come on Apple.. learn to invest in the future of the civilization.. money shouldn't be always the first priority!

Somehow I thought you'd be going somewhere else with this. What keeps schools from having super protective cases on their iPads? The educational ones I've seen are cased like this.
 
Why on earth would schools get these iPads when they can get chrome books with keyboards already and are much cheaper with unlimited storage ? It seems Apple is out of touch here, and I’m an Apple fan typing this on an iPhone X.
 
I wonder If this rustles people who bought pro's for pencil support. You just HAD to know they'd eventually add it to all models.
 
The original argument, that Apple is falling behind Amazon in tech, is still laughable when they don't make anything besides gadgets that sell Amazon services.

Ooooh, AWS. Yeah, let me plug in my AWS phone into my car.
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This is the new version. Old one is gone.

Ok, I have no idea what your ‘AWS’ comment is about?
And secondly, Amazon devices offer the exact same as Apple ones only their services are available across devices not made by them, Apple of course are not, so I’m sure I know who’s selling you their services.. we won’t embarrass Apple and choose not to mention original content.
As for Siri, we’ll its embarrassing to use it compared to Alexa..

But you just keep changing those goal posts.

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On topic, why didn’t they laminate the screen? I mean no Truetone and no Motion flow Pro, surely they could have laminated the screen if they want people to use the pencil?
I suppose it’s yet another greedy move.
 
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This would have kill the competition if it included the pencil or even charge $50 for it. As it stands is just a meh deal.
 
Why on earth would schools get these iPads when they can get chrome books with keyboards already and are much cheaper with unlimited storage ? It seems Apple is out of touch here, and I’m an Apple fan typing this on an iPhone X.

They're giving students 200 GB iCloud accounts now, that seems like practically unlimited storage, unless students are going to be hosting 4K videos on their school accounts.
 
RE: "iPad Like a computer. Unlike any computer."

(Some) Good news to Report, Apple listened to us who Ripped on them for their "What's a Computer" TV commercial (marketing) strategy !

But, $99 MORE for the Apple pencil makes it a Deal Breaker !

My Air2 is still better than this new one !
Your Air 2 doesn't have Pencil support. That is the world of difference.
 
I’d argue that, as a student, being able to use and attach an Apple Smart Keyboard with an iPad is a lot more useful than support for an Apple Pencil which isn’t even included in the still premium price of a lower end iPad.

That being said, even though we have mostly Apple products, my teenager’s 2 year old asus Chromebook still does everything she needs it to do and has 0 support for any type of stylus AND costs less than $300 brand new.

Is this specifically for graphic design schools?

No, for little kids, I think. Elementary schools use a lot of iPads, and this is great for them.
 
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