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Apple Launches New 'Behind the Mac' Ad Campaign
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Yes at the time they were the latest. Now they are last-generation. That is how time works...things that used to be current become old.
No DDR4 in mobile????? Every manufacturer except Apple begs to differ, including the laptop I am typing this on. The last-gen chips Apple is using support DDR4 happily:
https://ark.intel.com/products/97462/Intel-Core-i7-7920HQ-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_10-GHz
Kaby Lake faster link: first one from google
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/kaby-lake-refresh-8th-gen-vs-7th-gen'
2017 Macbook Pro thermals are well-documented to be atrocious. You don't get max clock speed for very long; usually the machine backs off in minutes. Tell that to a professional trying to do an 8 (or 18) hour work day.
First link from Google:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/macbook-pro-15-mid-2017-thermal-throttling.811260/
You are off in space man. Get some info (or read this thread) rather than posting fabrications.
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Just to re-inforce.
Intel was able to lower the individual cores thermal output enough finally that the ULV 15w part that is in most ultrabooks is NOW A QUAD CORE!.
while this does not equal a straight up 2x performance from dual core, Multithreaded applications and multi-tasking will see near double the performance under the exact same thermal envelop. Nevermind any other performance improvements that came from the 7xxx to 8xxx in single threaded performance.
I do almost wish that the new laptop I bought was the new 8xxx quad core (personal laptop), but at $700 cheaper, and $450 discount from regular price, the 7500u model for < $1500 CAD is a reallllllly good deal.
Until I see the results of a MIL-SPEC "Sand and Dust" test, we're going to have to wait and see if it REALLY has been fixed.
True, you can do that, but it is a trade-off: they all add weight & bulk to your carrying - - even the smallest docks are comparable in size+weight of adding a second AC charger when you're on the road.
And this is why the single-purpose dongles have a modest edge for weight & cube.
And its also why its frustrating to see Lenovo's & Dells that are functionally not really any different in size/weight than a MBP but have substantially more ports built-in...these designs obviate the need to carry a dock on the road.
Case in point: MSRP $350 and over a pound.
Please. That product is intended to set up a desktop docking station - and even though you "can" it realistically isn't intended to travel with.
After all, there's been lots of "portable" claims over the decades.
Such as the original Mac as well as the US Army's 75mm Pack Howitzer .
Just because you can do something, doesn't automatically mean its a feature ... or even a good idea.
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This is the part that really gets me. That difference in thickness has led to a massive degradation in overall applicability as a work machine. [EDIT: Both directly and indirectly.]
You are speaking to my heart on this. I cannot justify buying any past or current MacBook, pro or otherwise. The hardware situation is unacceptable, as evidenced by my signature for the last few years.
Ah, the old "It doesn't suit MY use-case; so it is IRRELEVANT to ALL!
The problem with your dismissive attitude is, you are talking about a market that, while fascinating, is not where Apple wants to play. But you are right that Apple fully-understands what it takes to play that game. That's why they have all but killed-off anything even approaching that sort of market. But it is a wise company that chooses its markets carefully, and then concentrates their resources thereon.
Think about it: For every person like you that can fully utilize a distributed processing environment and IAAS workflows with "thin clients" (oh, how many times has THAT idea come and gone?!?), and the support-staff to set it up and keep it working smoothly, there are literally about a MILLION people (no exaggeration!) that are more properly served (no pun) by a traditional desktop or laptop workstation. And yes, it IS wonderful that macOS is actually a Certified UNIX (something that Linux will never be!), and continues to be a solid, no-nonsense, SECURE OS under-the-hood; but that doesn't mean that it is any less relevant because your Mom uses it to keep up with her sewing-circle. I think you would agree that an Azure instance or any other IAAS would be EXTREME overkill for something like that. But there is still a need for something that is a bit more than an iPad Pro, or maybe even quite a bit more than an iPad Pro. And quite frankly, those use-cases FAR, FAR, FAR outnumber those like you have described above.
It's just two different worlds. Neither one is better; but it's going to be a LONG time before all the secretaries of the world are going to have a thin-client on their desk, with all the "real work" being done on some AWS or Azure server-cluster somewhere.
Oh, and talk about "Lock-in". THAT's Azure!
yeah. that's my whole "WTF" about the 2016 MacBook Pro lineup.
yes, there are some problems with the device, but I think they mis-fired the market for it. I thnk the 2013 13" MBpro SHOULD have been the MacBook air replacement in price point and design. the 15" macbook pro should have kept the thicker chassis. I'm ok with going 3 USB-C/TB and 1 USB-A. Would have been acceptible. But the shaving of an inconsequential amount of thickness (2mm is less than the thickness of most keys) while trading off keyboard quality, battery and performance seems like it was designed as a form over function device. Which is OK for some people. But it's not what people expected from "Pro" labelling.
seriously. add 2mm back. readd some battery. put in a 8xxx CPU, with 32gb BTO option, and add 1 USB-A port. complaints about the "pro" name would dissapear completely.
now if only they could remedy the worst keyboard in laptop existence.... (yes, Hyperbole intended)
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yes.
The requirement to carry a dock, or dongles, eliminates the benefit of shaving 2mm off the MacBook pro.
one of the glorious things about a well specced laptop that actually has the required ports is that you can get away with throwing the laptop and MAYBE just the charger in a bag or sleeve and going.
When you're forced to need dongles or docks because of variety of reasons, now you have to add weight, storage space to your carrying. you're no longer just carrying the laptops. you're now charrying a laptops AND a dock.
I'm willing to bet in a straw poll, that if you asked most people who mobile work and need the "Pro" level device, that they would gladly re-add 2mm thickness to the device if it meant not needing a dock or dongle.
With an example of the 'indirect' including how the machine becomes prohibitive to try to repair or upgrade.
She sits on the floor!
That's great for somebody in the 18-24 year old demographic who thinks they're indestructible. But would be physically impossible for people in their 40s, 50s, and beyond to do, what with a tiny keyboard and tiny screen too far away from eyes that need correction.
And then, not being able to get up off the floor? What, is having numb feet, legs, knees, and hips go numb? That's not desirable at all, and I think Apple has missed the boat here. It also makes me immediately think that Grimes may not be able to speak to me through her art...because she actually "gets me" less than I get her.
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I would not do anything to dis the man in that ad. But I also know that whatever he does with a Mac can probably be done just as well with a Windows machine, or maybe even a tablet from any of the major vendors out there. I'll even bet that he's using software that is available for both.
Looks like these CPUs are a "Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" Series:
https://gizmodo.com/everything-we-know-so-far-about-intels-newest-8th-gener-1824260389
And considering that MOST laptop OEMs simply take an Intel Reference Design and stick it on a PCB with some support chips and call it a day, I'm not surprised that there are a bunch of "me too" laptops that have beat Apple to the punch on this. So what?
And BTW, I don't know where you are pulling that 70% speed improvement figure from; but you have to compare like-to-like as far as the TDP goes. The article above said to expect about a 20% improvement over the 7th gen. CPUs of the same TDP-rating. That's more in line with Intel's incremental improvements over the past several years.
LPDDR3 RAM limitation is ALL Intel's fault, not Apple's. But it looks like Coffee Lake Mobile "U" series CPUs STILL don't support LPDDR4 RAM, so, unless you want ZERO battery-life, it looks like it still makes sense in a LAPTOP to limit to 16 GB.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1173...tarting-with-kaby-lake-refresh-for-15w-mobile
But I take offense to your "bad thermals" comment. It just doesn't wash with the 2016 and 2017 MacBook Pros, sorry.
Actually, it does wash, because "thermals", to me as a potential customer, are not just about the heat generated. It's also about the heat not exhausted.
The case is not working for eliminating heat. It's too tight in there! This is why I'm considering other manufacturers who actually have figured this out and can run desktop CPUs and GPUs in their laptops.
#1 Wrong.
#2 Wrong.
#3 Wrong. LPDDR4 RAM is STILL not supported, even in 8th Gen Intel CPUs; so, unless you want a laptop with 1 hour battery life (look at some Dell forums regarding their 64 GB laptop), then yes, it IS Intel's fault.
#4 Laptops have often required Docks. They are now just not hideously expensive, single-purpose monstrosities. Your analogy sucks, BTW.
#5, it DOES do normal laptop things right out of the box. If you have a typical modern home or small-office setup with good WiFi (which the MacBook Pros have EXCELLENT WiFi), you seriously don't need a cable for anything but charging. And that's supplied!
Internet: WiFi
Printing/Scanning: WiFi
Storage to NAS: WiFi
So, sounds like MOST people WILL be able to do "laptop things out of the box", WITHOUT suffering the pain and embarrassment of purchasing a Dock. Oh, and if they need something like a USB-stick, they can get by with a LESS-THAN-$2 Passive USB-C to USB-A Adapter (not a DONGLE), that can simply clip onto the end of their USB stick. Or just get one of the new USB Sticks with USB-C on one end, and USB-A on the other. And, if they have a few USB-A peripherals around, most of them have DETACHABLE cables; so, if you don't want to get a Dock, simply get a few USB-A (or USB-B) to USB-C cables for about $6 apiece. Again, no Dongles required!
Honestly, this whole "Dongle" thing has REALLY been blown out of proportion.
I’m sick and tired of this misinformation, where do you get that 2% figure? Every single old mac I came across, either from cousins, parents, siblings, friends etc, all had upgrades at some point, you know why? Because 99% people at some point complain their machine is slow and seek help/service, and upgrading ram/ssd solves it.
And 2017 MBPs with soldered 256gb ssd is a travesty, most people fill up their ssds and will need to trash the machine. IT NEEDS to be upgradable, no excuses.
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I have used Macs since they were called Lisas.
I don't have an excuse, nor did I try to have one, for the Mac mini nor the Mac Pro. I sincerely hope Apple fixes both, soon.
I don't know anything about the current iMacs having throttling issues. I know they fixed those on the MBPs; but haven't followed the iMacs as closely. I see a couple of forum posts about the i7 2017 iMacs possibly having some thermal issues; but it seems VERY anecdotal.
As for the MBP keyboards. It seemed to me that those who got a v2 version of the keyboard reported that it fixed their problems. That's really all I know.
Seriously? Apple has been trying to convince us for years that creative professionals and other pro users can get by just fine with just an iPad.
Well, apparently Apple didn't think the 8th gen chips were worth putting in the 2017 MBPs or iMacs. Obviously, the Intel rep. was sampling them to Apple just like everyone else. And with only a 20% change in performance (which translates to 0% in real life), and no LPDDR support in the mobile series, they (wisely) decided to stay with the already-qualified components rather than go through a whole other round of component-testing for a miniscule performance boost (and no extra RAM).
I said LPDDR4. Please read. BIG difference when it comes to current consumption!
Yes, it does "back off"; but not by much, and compared with the 2015 MBP, it is SIGNIFICANTLY faster on LONG CPU-intensive tasks.
I can't find the article I linked-to; but it stated 20% speed increase. I will admit that, if true, the article you linked-to shows VERY impressive speed-gains.
I can't imagine that Apple would not have jumped on that for the 2017 models; they CERTAINLY would have had samples kicking around the lab...
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Good luck with things. All the best.
Exactly what I was going to post. Except I might add Way Behind.
They should be embarrassed too even be running this ad, trying to create sales for outdated hardware. Disgusting really. You don't launch an ad like this unless you have new hardware otherwise you run the risk of ridicule in the media and with the user base.
It's overrated. My "trash can" Mac Pro at work runs High Sierra as the main OS, yes, but it's also an amazing (X)Ubuntu machine...
This is exactly why you have to wonder if there are complete idiots working at Apple. To start an ad campaign when you have such an outdated line up will only lead to ridicule.
It is sad that so many sue Apple for complete non sense yet this machine is left alone and ignored.
Yep absolute nonsense in a laptop. Apple is trying too hard to turn the Mac Book into a tablet with keyboard.
When Apple pissed me off with really bad service on my last MBP I decided to jump ship and give a decent laptop with Linux a try. One of the motivators was the very fact that the machines actually looked worse than the one they would have replaced.
I'm rather neutral on the touch bar but the rest of the issues are spot on. The touch bar is one of those things that has great potential when and if a software package hits the ideal integration.
It will hurt Apple more than it will help in sales. In fact a protest is in order.
I've gone beyond pissed and currently have a Windows/Linux machine. The situation reminds me of the dark day after the Mac Plus when Apple went for years before a decent upgrade came. By that time i said screw it and left the platform for over a decade.