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I have no intrest to start Android VS. iOS debates here since they are always the same. I can just say that the only reason I still carry an iPhone is because of Apple's Eco-System that gives the ability to sync my rMBP with my iphone, and that's what is all about for me. Except for this ability, the iPhone has nothing superior over its greatest competitors.
I'm sure there are Millions who either have or miss their iPhones who would say there is plenty that is superior. specs are useless its the outcome that matters. Having 4x the processing is useless when even in a controlled demo environment the scrolling lagged really bad. Having a much higher MP camera front and rear means that the same picture will take up 2 or 3 x the space while to will look the same everywhere you use it unless you are printing posters. most sites will either reject it or downgrade it.
 
It would be amazing and make a lot of people happy. Heck it doesn't even need retina display, just a larger version of the iPhone would be fantastic and I think it would really sell super well.

Its either larger screen AND retina display or none.

What type of half assed job is that? If Apple offered an 5'' iPhone with some 200 ppi...look other phones now have 400+

Apple will go up.
 
The HTC One is not the same screen as the HTC One X.

Comparo: http://www.gizmag.com/iphone-5-vs-htc-one-specs-comparison/26356/

As for 'most gorgeous screen' here's what Engadget had to say (http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/12/htc-one-review/):

"Tiny details aside, the One's display is the most gorgeous we've seen thus far."

Also of note:
"It's slightly brighter than the DNA's and significantly better than the One X+'s S-LCD2;"

From The Verge:
"Once you turn it on, the One gets even prettier. Its 4.7-inch, 1920 x 1080 display (that’s 468 ppi) is the sharpest I’ve ever seen. Whether you want to call it "Retina" or something else — I’m sort of surprised HTC doesn’t have a goofy name for it — the fact remains that the screen is tack-sharp, colors are fantastic, blacks are impressively deep, and it looks great from any angle."

No matter how you cut it, HTC's One could very well be the only phone that can compete with Apple in every way - specs, software, and most importantly - build quality.
this article is no different from those that said the same when the X and S3 came out. This device is not out yet. I posted head to head showdowns and the iPhone beat them to their surprise. I guess we will see the outcome when its really reviewed.
 
Clearly a lack of self-confidence. Just because others have other views, they, and i use your words:
"...are being paid to troll."

Seriously?

Does that mean, that you want a pseudo-forum, where only one view is allowed!?

I think they want a forum without arrogance
 
this article is no different from those that said the same when the X and S3 came out. This device is not out yet. I posted head to head showdowns and the iPhone beat them to their surprise. I guess we will see the outcome when its really reviewed.

The HTC One IS out, in Germany. That's why all the reviews have been the European version (no LTE). I'm awaiting battery life testing WITH LTE once the HTC One is stateside (rumors of March 22nd - this Friday)
 
Yup, that's how it works. If I hold it a foot away, it's blurry and I can't make out anything. If I hold it 6" away, it's crisp and looks great, but at that point it's so close I can see pixels.

Also, can't get a Note because the screen is too big. To see the whole thing I'd have to hold it about 8" away, and at that point it would be blurry. 5" is about the perfect size for me, with my glasses both on and off.

Nearsighted people are weird. We can actually perceive more detail than the average person with our glasses off/contacts out and the object right up close, because our eyes focus at a closer range.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, it's made me "think differently" about what could be done for your situation. The best I could come up with is a contact lens that you apply to the screen of your phone, so it compensates for your unique vision. Now just need someone to make it reality... :rolleyes:
 
That's because some people tend to notice only the negative while the positive is simply taken for granted.

yep! That is why negative people are louder! (Android people are louder, PC people are louder). I never heard a mac or an iPhone user screaming and crying. They just live their lives happily and have to put up with the other side poking their backs the whole time. If they respond in defence, all of a sudden we are "smug".

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While I think the iPhone is still solidly better than competition, I think this ad is attacking with silly ammo. Apple should have gone with something along UX instead of something that other phones have too.
 
Apple's blasting everyone with this email ad blatantly screams how threatened they feel. and they should feel that way...b/c as an iPhone 4S user, i'm not a fan of the upgrade possibilities on the near horizon for me if i was to stick with an iPhone. i am available for an upgrade in October so by then they should have announced the iPhone 5S. unless the 5S will actually be the 6 and have VERY significant improvements and innovations, i plan on jumping ship to Android. who knows, i might come screaming back to the iPhone. doubt it though, considering how polished and functional Android has become. i still have a bad taste in my mouth from the beginning of that platform, but i hear it's completely different now.

Apple is not typically a company that reacts to the competition nor have i thought they should, but now is different and i am actually rooting for them to react to the GS4 with a completely new twist of innovation that no one in the industry has thought of before. i would prefer to not leave the iPhone, so i'm hoping for something good that will convince me otherwise

Well what does it say when anytime I go to an Apple user site I'm continuously bombarded with Android Phone adds and featured spots? Or my carrier blast a email twice a week with nothing but Android Phones in it.
Apple started a campaign with a similar email for the New iPad on the same day last year. in fact they have marketed less this year than last so far. I think they are about as impressed with the S4 as I am and that not at all. Which is the day before St Patty's Day
 
I am hoping that iPhone 6 brings significant upgrade compared to current generation phones. I think it will be make it or break it moment for Apple.
 
Nobody's going to look at the HTC One and think it's an iPhone. The HTC One is built on curves, the iPhone is a flat slab. They both happen to use aluminum in their construction, but that's the *only* similarity. Different form factors, different internals, different external construction, different OS

I agree with you that no one will mistake the two phones. They look different enough. What I meant to say was that the HTC One's design is VERY Apple/Jony Ive inspired. Heck, just look at their promotional video, and you'll understand what I mean.
 
How can they claim that they only have the retina display? Almost all flagship smartphones have been shipping with retina displays for 1.5 years now.

They can claim that because the term Retina is an Apple trademark and no one else can use the term. But is only that, a term, phone screens with more that 300ppp have existed before the iPhone 4 one
 
Well what does it say when anytime I go to an Apple user site I'm continuously bombarded with Android Phone adds and featured spots?
It says you're spending too much time on Apple user sites run by people who don't know how to sell their highly-targeted ad space competently.
 
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The iPhone is a Mercedes, the Galaxy is a Kia, nuff said.

Really? I would have gone with the iPhone being a Roller and the galaxy being a Kia. I know which one will outlast the other, even if it's not supported by the latest operating system in its final days. ;)

I can claim this having my iPhone 4 still be as fast as when I got it out the box shortly after release!
 
I agree with you that no one will mistake the two phones. They look different enough. What I meant to say was that the HTC One's design is VERY Apple/Jony Ive inspired. Heck, just look at their promotional video, and you'll understand what I mean.

I will absolutely 100% agree with you - it is *inspired* by Apple, but I think HTC did a great job of working with that inspiration, and avoiding a blatant ripoff. I say kudos to them for that hard work!
 
NOT!

According to Jonesblog written by Dr Bryan Jones (Retinal Neuroscientist):
Essentially, this is a claim of visual acuity which is the ability of the visual system to resolve fine detail. There are an awful lot of considerations to take into account when making such a claim such as contrast, distance, the resolution of the display and some metric of pixel size which gives you an estimate of visual resolution on the retina. Claims of contrast ratios are notoriously flexible in a number of displays and will be influenced by a number of optical factors as well as the content being viewed and the black and color levels of the pixels as well as overall luminance. Apple claims an 800:1 pixel ratio and I’ll take them at their word on that and focus on the claims of resolution here.

A “normal” human eye is considered to have standard visual acuity or 20/20 vision. This means that a 20/20 eye can discriminate two lines or two pixels separated by 1 arcminute (1/60 degree).

The ability of an optical system to resolve fine detail requires minute spacing of optical detectors. In the retina, there detectors are the photoreceptors. Objects we look at at projected through the cornea and lens and imaged on the back of the eye on a plane that ideally lines up with the retinal photoreceptors.

Theoretically the limit of retinal resolution, say the ability to distinguish patterns of alternating black and white lines is approximately 120pixels/degree in an optimal, healthy eye with no optical abnormalities. Again, this corresponds to one minute of arc or 0.000291 radians (π/(60*180)). If one assumes that the nominal focal length of the eye is approximately 16mm, an optimal distance from the eye for viewing detail might be around 12 inches away from the eye which is reasonable to assume for someone viewing detail on their iPhone.

Dr. Soneira’s claims are based upon a retinal calculation of .5 arcminutes which to my reading of the literature is too low. According to a relatively recent, but authoritative study of photoreceptor density in the human retina (Curcio, C.A., K.R. Sloan, R.E. Kalina and A.E. Hendrickson 1990 Human photoreceptor topography. J. Comp. Neurol. 292:497-523.), peak cone density in the human averages 199,000 cones/mm2 with a range of 100,000 to 324,000. Dr. Curcio et. al. calculated 77 cycles/degree or .78 arcminutes/cycle of *retinal* resolution. However, this does not take into account the optics of the system which degrade image quality somewhat giving a commonly accepted resolution of 1 arcminute/cycle. So, if a normal human eye can discriminate two points separated by 1 arcminute/cycle at a distance of a foot, we should be able to discriminate two points 89 micrometers apart which would work out to about 287 pixels per inch. Since the iPhone 4G display is comfortably higher than that measure at 326 pixels per inch, I’d find Apple’s claims stand up to what the human eye can perceive.​

According to Adrian Covert of Gizmodo:
This same line of thinking manifested itself when contrast ratio became a spec for Plasma and LCD displays (OMG ONE ZILLION TO ONE CONTRAST RATIO) — can’t see it, doesn’t matter — and is now resurfacing as companies enter the pixel density arms race. Increases in pixel density are going from impressive technical feats to masturbatory experiments for the sake of marketing strategy.

So what do we make of HTC managing to pack a 1920×1080 display in a 5-inch screen? When it comes to tangible user benefits, not much. According to those who toil away in research labs, the human eye can not discern granular detail when it is higher than 300 PPI. Hence Apple’s 326 PPI display in the iPhone 4 back in 2010. Yes, some — notably Dr Raymond Soneira of DisplayMate — have argued that no display will be perfectly “retina” until it has a density of 477 PPI. But others, like University of Utah professor Bryan Jones, dispute the basis of Soneira’s reasoning, arguing that from a foot away, displays will actually appear retina when greater than 287 PPI. But even Soneira acknowledged that the retina effect kicks in when a 300 PPI display is held 18 inches away. You know. Where you hold your phone.

Does increased smartphone resolution help for watching high-def movies? Not really. To really reap the benefit of 1080p video, you need no smaller than a 40-inch display (and ideally one above 50-inches) to notice anything awesome while sitting at a comfortable distance. In fact, to theoretically reap any benefits of 1080p video on your phone, you’d need to be holding it 6-8 inches from your face. No one holds their phone 6-8 inches from their face.​

1) I applaud you for actually citing sources to back your claims; a lost art on the internet. However, first and foremost, the academic community's opinions seem to be split on this one: "Yes, some — notably Dr Raymond Soneira of DisplayMate — have argued that no display will be perfectly “retina” until it has a density of 477 PPI". I'm not an ophthalmologist or a physicist or what have you, but going by my own subjective viewing experiences I'd agree with Mr. Soneira.

2) The screens with higher PPI bring advantages other than just 'super-Retina-quality'. 1080p is a standard resolution at this point, nobody really watches videos in lower resolutions anymore (and higher resolutions like 4K aren't quite there yet). So if your smartphone has a 1080p screen you'll get pixel-by-pixel fidelity as you're playing a 1080p video. No black bars or whatever.

3) Then there's the aforementioned subjective viewing experience. No matter what those researches say, personally, I perceive a significant difference between the iPhone's screen and those 1080p-screens I've seen on smartphones so far (HTC Butterfly, Sony Xperia Z). The jury's out on the S4 since it's pentile. Anyway, based on that entirely subjective experience, the 100+ PPI advantage those smartphones have over the iPhone really makes a difference. I realize that you'll easily dismiss this point because it is, admittedly, subjective. I'd still urge you to take it under consideration, because ultimately it's those subjective experiences that drive consumers' decisions - just like people seem to love Samsung's inaccurate gaudy OLED display, which I personally don't understand, but it seems to be a widespread personal preference.
 
I'm sure there are Millions who either have or miss their iPhones who would say there is plenty that is superior. specs are useless its the outcome that matters. Having 4x the processing is useless when even in a controlled demo environment the scrolling lagged really bad. Having a much higher MP camera front and rear means that the same picture will take up 2 or 3 x the space while to will look the same everywhere you use it unless you are printing posters. most sites will either reject it or downgrade it.
Appel's bigeest problem right now is the display size. 4" is just small and not convient for online surfing, writing or reading. They can make as many commercials as they want, part of it is that you can "operate your phone with one hand". It's all BS that tries to cover the "we can't make larger displays since our pixel density would drop, and therefore we need to apply new technology [OLED or IGZO] that would cost us much more money).
Appel's iOS is one of the closest OS in the world. Only the fact that they need to approve every app that goes to the AppStore, and they dismiss any apps that "tries" to "damage" cellular network (i.e. free tethering), creates a monopoly or whatever you want to call it. Of course, it's their hardware and software and they can do whatever they want with it, but it's just wouldn't work in the long run. As iPhones becomes more popular, security issues would arrive quicker than people think. In a closed system, you will get a fix in a few weeks (see Java issue with OSX), in an open system, the fix would arrive on the same day or even in couple of hours/minutes.
These are some of disadvantages that I find in Appel's technology, but time will tell.
 
this campaign makes Apple seems like they are afraid of the Samsung SIV.

They doesnt even give a heck about samsung or other phone launch in the past.
 
3) Then there's the aforementioned subjective viewing experience. No matter what those researches say, personally, I perceive a significant difference between the iPhone's screen and those 1080p-screens I've seen on smartphones so far (HTC Butterfly, Sony Xperia Z). The jury's out on the S4 since it's pentile. Anyway, based on that entirely subjective experience, the 100+ PPI advantage those smartphones have over the iPhone really makes a difference. I realize that you'll easily dismiss this point because it is, admittedly, subjective. I'd still urge you to take it under consideration, because ultimately it's those subjective experiences that drive consumers' decisions - just like people seem to love Samsung's inaccurate gaudy OLED display, which I personally don't understand, but it seems to be a widespread personal preference.

Apple's retina claim is for 20/20 vision. Not for people with eagle vision, which is above 20/20. If they are going to test for every kind of freakishly strong vision, maybe even 470 ppi won't be enough for some cases on earth. Shooting for the average "best" quality makes sense.

And nobody, I mean nobody, would notice any "details" on a 1080p movie while they watch it on their phone compared to a 720p downscale. Retina made sense, but don't turn it into a spec masturbation.
 
I'm convinced Apple Advertising Department visits MR That's been my signature (close enough) for quite a while now! Four years to be exact. I'm suing for copyright infringement :eek:

Maybe you can shake 'm down for a little extra cash. Good luck with that! LOL

iPhone 5: a beautifully designed and meticulously engineered piece of equipment, still preferred by millions.
 
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