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They can only be retina displays if the use Apple's patented tech. and there have only in ghe last 8 months had phone with a similar PPI, the design and other features that continue to allow iPhone to win head to head comparisons even when the other phone has a higher PPI, is what make it retina. To be so they would have license Apple's design which won't happen.

You are absolutely clueless. Do you think Apple have some magical patented screen technology? Do you think they manufacture their own screens? They're just high-res IPS displays which they buy off vendors like Samsung or LG, for god's sake. Good displays no doubt, but nothing other manufacturers can't match. Case in point: HTC One.
 
FFS Apple, why don't you just bring out a decent product people want instead of bringing out cry baby adverts to try and persuade people your inferior iPhone 5 is the best ... Lame, just lame ... although the public will vote with their wallets!
 
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This is really the biggest one for me and the biggest advantage against their competitors. I don't think it should be last.

Umm, so you mean XDA-Developers are run by pet dogs and pet cats instead of human?

iPhone really do have supported from real people??? I only see that with every issue I face I need to visit Apple Store, book a Genius Bar appointment and sometime have phone replaced. What kind of real people support do you mean?

Also when you go to Apple Community site, when did Apple ever care about the discussion there?

A $250 Chinese "Note" with quad-core CPU and PowerVR GPU can blow your $800 iToy out of the water!
 
Apple's retina claim is for 20/20 vision. Not for people with eagle vision, which is above 20/20. If they are going to test for every kind of freakishly strong vision, maybe even 470 ppi won't be enough for some cases on earth. Shooting for the average "best" quality makes sense.

And nobody, I mean nobody, would notice any "details" on a 1080p movie while they watch it on their phone compared to a 720p downscale. Retina made sense, but don't turn it into a spec masturbation.

"Shooting for the average 'best' quality" didn't use to be the pinnacle of Apple's ambition. I honestly expect more. But be that as it may, our bickering about PPI only obscures what I think is the true problem Apple are facing with the iPhone's screen: its size. The four inches bother me way, way more than the low PPI; the small screen is the main reason I didn't upgrade to an iPhone 5 from my 4S (which has a tiny screen that annoys me every single day).
There's an elegant way out of this: diversify the lineup, just like the did for the iPad - offer a 5" and a 4" iPhone and let people choos. Retain the current resolution for the 4" iPhone and double it for the 5" device. Done.
 
Would be a good video ad.

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Only iPhone has retina display, while other phones have a bigger screen and better PPI (ie. HTC 8X).


Yeah being truthfull has never been high in apple advertisements .
 
Seems like Apple is going to push ads for the white iPhone 5 as the default color now.

Exactly as I was thinking! I thought it was going to be a 'black' year this time seeing as the 4S was a 'white' year. But all the time I see white iPhone 5s around, not black ones.
 
Samsung has been scoring points for its "people-based" ads while Apple has been focusing on the experience of using its products

this is what i REALLY like about apple's ads. honestly, i hate all ads, that show happy people, running with wide smiles on their face, kissing, whatever. trying to sell a "feeling". try to convince you, that you'll become one of those pretty gals or smiling lads when you buy it.
"be nice, sexy, famous, rich and happy, all you need is to buy our product" this is their only message.

it's just an inanimate object, for god's sake, a product. it does not transform you into anything. it is to be used, and apple's ads show you this.

everything you see there can be accomplished. and you are also part of it, cause you see the finger. this is what connects you to iphone. no need for 3d effects, magic, happy people.

it's just right so.
 
Are you kidding me ?

Both my iPhone 5 and my wifes's iPhone 4 give fantastic battery life. We usually get 1.5 days of battery life. The only time I ever had the phone run out of juice was when there was a bad app setting. I just did a reset all settings and the battery life returned to normal since then.

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People like iPhones because they are stable and easy to use. I would not consider iOS the worlds most advanced operating system though.

To me the killer features are the way that idevices sync with each other , especially if you also have a mac. iMessages is great because its so nicely integrated into the system. Very easy for older people to just end it as an SMS instead of openings separate app. Facetime works better than skype on low bandwidth and is again much easier to use than Skype ( but in typical apple style - you can't do much more than make a video call).

Finally for medical applications ( I am a doctor ) iOS is far superior to android, although android is catching up very fast .

I think this should have been the focus of apples ad rather than retina display ( which is two years old ) and calling iOS the most advanced operating system .

I am finding Siri more and more useful though especially when sending messages while driving, and to set reminders and alarms and make notes.
 
Give a 5 year old filled with tons of questions an iPhone 5 and siri. You'll love your iPhone.
 
"Shooting for the average 'best' quality" didn't use to be the pinnacle of Apple's ambition. I honestly expect more.

Really? When did Apple ever target an extremely small niche like people with eagle vision? Their displays were always good, but never the best. You won't see Apple's name when people talk about displays for medical imaging and never did.

When they released their first ever machine, they also shot for average best quality. They didn't put in the best hardware of its time, to cut the price. I think you underestimate the average best quality. It's still the best thing people can buy at the price range.

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There's an elegant way out of this: diversify the lineup, just like the did for the iPad - offer a 5" and a 4" iPhone and let people choos. Retain the current resolution for the 4" iPhone and double it for the 5" device. Done.

Why offer only 2 sizes? Why not offer 10 sizes? Each hand is different after all. There aren't only 2 hand sizes out there. There are some people with freakishly large and small hands. Wouldn't it be aiming for the "average" if they went with only 2 sizes? And that would be bad according to you?
 
Really? When did Apple ever target an extremely small niche like people with eagle vision? Their displays were always good, but never the best. You won't see Apple's name when people talk about displays for medical imaging and never did.

When they released their first ever machine, they also shot for average best quality. They didn't put in the best hardware of its time, to cut the price. I think you underestimate the average best quality. It's still the best thing people can buy at the price range.

They're not "their" displays anyway, since they don't manufacture them. And now you're talking about specialized applications (medical imaging) which is absolutely not what I was alluding to. The fact of the matter is this: in the smartphone market, Apple offered the best display when they first introduced the iPhone 4. There seemed to be a clear intent to offer best-in-class displays. Their competitors have caught up and are offering bigger displays with higher PPI now. Either Apple adhere to their stated intention and offer a new display that overshadows the competition in the upcoming new iPhone - or they retain the current display, which would be tantamount to an admission of defeat. In that case, I might just go for a phone that actually DOES offer a best-in-class viewing experience.

And no matter what one's preferences are, Apple's marketing claim that their Retina display currently provides the best viewing experience amongst all smartphones is incredibly disingenuous. The HTC One, the HTC Butterfly, the Xperia Z and the LG Optimus G Pro are all examples to the contrary. You can probably count the Galaxy S4 amongst those devices as well.

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Why offer only 2 sizes? Why not offer 10 sizes? Each hand is different after all. There aren't only 2 hand sizes out there. There are some people with freakishly large and small hands. Wouldn't it be aiming for the "average" if they went with only 2 sizes? And that would be bad according to you?

Don't overcomplicate this. They're offering two iPad sizes and doing well - it was clearly a good idea to introduce an iPad Mini. Why wouldn't the same logic apply to the iPhone?
This is one thing Samsung got right: they're offering their flagship in a reasonable size (the S-line of phones) and a freakishly large size for those so inclined (the Note devices). The success of both product lines speaks to the wisdom of this differentiation.
 
The HTC One is not the same screen as the HTC One X.

Comparo: http://www.gizmag.com/iphone-5-vs-htc-one-specs-comparison/26356/

As for 'most gorgeous screen' here's what Engadget had to say (http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/12/htc-one-review/):

"Tiny details aside, the One's display is the most gorgeous we've seen thus far."

Also of note:
"It's slightly brighter than the DNA's and significantly better than the One X+'s S-LCD2;"

From The Verge:
"Once you turn it on, the One gets even prettier. Its 4.7-inch, 1920 x 1080 display (that’s 468 ppi) is the sharpest I’ve ever seen. Whether you want to call it "Retina" or something else — I’m sort of surprised HTC doesn’t have a goofy name for it — the fact remains that the screen is tack-sharp, colors are fantastic, blacks are impressively deep, and it looks great from any angle."

No matter how you cut it, HTC's One could very well be the only phone that can compete with Apple in every way - specs, software, and most importantly - build quality.

I'll agree with this. The One is the only device that I've seen that goes toe to toe with the iPhone 5 in every way and in some ways better. Too bad HTC doesn't have the resources to properly market it though. The S4 will easily outsell it by a large margin.
 
I pray to God Ramping up advertising isn't the best Apple can do for iphone over the next few months. Even though the new SSG4 is kind of gimmicky, its a real threat. And as much as I want to degrade a 5" phone, it sure is toying with my curiosity. And let's not forget about that phone that won't get all the pub but is probably better than the SSG4...... Xperia Z. Apple should really bypass the whole "S" thing this go around and come with the heat. I would go as far as not even calling it an "S" because we have gotten accustomed to "S" meaning minor revamp.

Slowly but surely, the iPhone is losing its superior appeal. I don't know about the brand, but the phone itself has become somewhat of a loser lately. Apple sold as many phones as they did the last quarter because its surviving off of its greatness before the 5. That won't last forever. The flood gates will open soon if Apple can't deliver and people will begin to leave in big numbers, all at once. It's easy to plug a water leak, but when the water begins to pour, it's too difficult to stop. Apple should take control RIGHT NOW. No sense toying with it.

The crazy thing about it is, apple doesn't even really have to innovate. All they have to do is build a phone with a 4.5" screen and make it happen with iOS7. People will go crazy over the iPhone again.

I'm sure they want to give us another "S" phone and wow us with the iP6, but can The iPhone survive another year as second best?

Apple really needs to show us that the death of Steve Jobs doesn't mean a slow dying death for iOS.

So what i'm taking from all this is you think the iPhone isn't as good because its not as a big… Thats it basically isn't it.
 
Arguing over mobile phones, freaking hilarious

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So Apple shouldn't do any marketing while Samsung spends $12B/yr on advertising?

Unbelievable how Apple can't do anything right with some people these days. :rolleyes:

well it is human instinct to bring down the best. That is why all the android lovers populate this forum in an attempt to bring Apple down by wrestling with Apple's customers.
 
Glad Apple is ring back to basics speaking out the truth. It was high time. :)
 
This page is really junk. I mean I love my iPhone 5 and everything but no other phone has a Retina display? No of course not, they have better displays. 720p, 1080p and higher PPI than the iPhone.

And the iPhone is a no-compromise phone? You can't even run any two applications at the same time unless one of them makes use of very limited API's that Apple provide for specific features. Also there is no NFC or wireless charging, other phones have these things. The decisions not to include these things were due to compromises, thickness for the NFC And Wireless Charging and Battery Life in the case of Multitasking.

Seriously this page is just typical marketing ******** and is just full of lies.
 
Google can't get the software side to flow smoothly, what makes you think they would be better at combining the two all of a sudden when this has been a part of Apple's DNA since 1984. remember Google, Microsoft and all Apple's other competitors have said their business model was flawed. but they have flourished by doing it their own way. now everyone wants to copy them and then call Apple stale. Really?!

Pure FUD. Both ICS and Jelly Bean (especially JB) work very very well. You've missed my point anyway. If one of Apple's selling points is that ONLY they create phones and OS controlling the experience - then that will no longer be true once Google releases their own phones through their Motorola division. Just like Apple - they will control both hardware and software.
 
This page is really junk. I mean I love my iPhone 5 and everything but no other phone has a Retina display? No of course not, they have better displays. 720p, 1080p and higher PPI than the iPhone.

And the iPhone is a no-compromise phone? You can't even run any two applications at the same time unless one of them makes use of very limited API's that Apple provide for specific features. Also there is no NFC or wireless charging, other phones have these things. The decisions not to include these things were due to compromises, thickness for the NFC And Wireless Charging and Battery Life in the case of Multitasking.

Seriously this page is just typical marketing ******** and is just full of lies.

Some people like good design, some don't. It steers their choice for buying a phone. I see a lot more scratched up Android phones than I do iPhones.
 
Apple is now advertising for people that live in caves and under rocks, and also Rip Van Winkle.

Grandmas now have iPhones (and quick to pop them out to show you pics of the grandkids!) At this point of the iPhone's life, people understand Apple and the iPhone. They either want one or not. Trying to point out differences between the iPhone and other smartphone is fine, but I don't think it's going to ring up additional sales.
 
well it is human instinct to bring down the best. That is why all the android lovers populate this forum in an attempt to bring Apple down by wrestling with Apple's customers.

It's also human instinct to think your stuff is the best ever, and everyone else is dumb for liking that other stuff.

Anyone here who doesn't have the same phone as me? Yeah. That's right. You're all stupid, stupid people. I chose my phone because I have something you all lack. Taste. Class. Intelligence. Extra savoir faire. And cash. Yup. I don't have to settle for that cheap crap you all buy, because I make a lot of money doing very hard things only a few intelligent people can do, and am very well compensated for my efforts. I don't have to settle for less, and go around sniveling on messageboards trying desperately to defend my poor decisions made from lack of foresight and funds.

I am awesome. I am intelligent. I am better than most. My Kyocera phone broadcasts my status to the world.
 
It's also human instinct to think your stuff is the best ever, and everyone else is dumb for liking that other stuff.

Anyone here who doesn't have the same phone as me? Yeah. That's right. You're all stupid, stupid people. I chose my phone because I have something you all lack. Taste. Class. Intelligence. Extra savoir faire. And cash. Yup. I don't have to settle for that cheap crap you all buy, because I make a lot of money doing very hard things only a few intelligent people can do, and am very well compensated for my efforts. I don't have to settle for less, and go around sniveling on messageboards trying desperately to defend my poor decisions made from lack of foresight and funds.

I am awesome. I am intelligent. I am better than most. My Kyocera phone broadcasts my status to the world.

And not taking into account that being an Android customer does not means not being an Apple customer
 
It's also human instinct to think your stuff is the best ever, and everyone else is dumb for liking that other stuff.

I don't think that is human instinct, it's the attitude of arrogant humans. But not all humans are arrogant so your statement is overbroad.

I buy what I like. My friends buy what they like. We don't always see eye to eye, but we have our reasons for buying different and understand the others. Sure, we kid each other but it's all in jest. Ultimately, none of us really gives $.02, except when it comes to sports teams...then it's serious. :D
 
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because they know like the reviewers who have done head to heads that the iPhone just looks better and that PPI is only one part of the retina display equation.

What's the other part of the retina display equation then? Apple has ever marketed the retina display as a display with a very high resolution, and a pixel density so high, that the human eye could not tell apart the individual pixels. If there is other element to it (like the colors accuracy), then Apple failed to market it properly.
 
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